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Subject: Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 166, Issue 26, reference direction of current flow in screen grids
From: Gene May <gene-may@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:39:17 +0000
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All,


Concur with Bill W6WRT re "positive vs negative" convention in describing 
current.  The convention we use now is left over from at least a hundred years 
ago when a scientist guessed wrong about the polarity of the electron.  To me, 
thinking in terms of the direction of electron movement is far more clear.


Suggestions by Bill and Gary K4FMX and others to put a resistor from the screen 
to the cathode, such that the resistor will pass at least the maximum "negative 
current" (meaning the screen is emitting electrons) that the screen will pass 
will work fine.  This is absolutely essential if the screen grid supply is 
series regulated.  Zeners connected in this way (a way to parallel regulate the 
supply) should pass at least the same.  A little extra current flow is a good 
idea.


Suggest finding a copy of the Eimac publication Care and Feeding of Power Grid 
Tubes, out of print but easy to find used online from used book dealers or at 
hamfests.


I am using a power supply for tetrodes designed and sold by  Ian GM3SEK, which 
regulates screen current very well.  Ian can be found on this.


Gene May  WB8WKU

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   1. Re: Negative current with a Zener screen grid regulator  (Bill Turner)

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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 18:55:25 +0000
From: Bill Turner <dezrat@outlook.com>
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Subject: Re: [Amps] Negative current with a Zener screen grid regulator
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 05:44:13 -0600, W8ZR wrote:  >Positive screen current means 
that current flows into the grid, and negative screen current means that 
current flows out of the grid.

REPLY:

Be careful with this "into" and "out of" business. He is talking about the 
so-called conventional current, which exists only in the imagination.

In the real world, positive screen current (electrons) flows from the cathode 
to the screen and out to the  positive power supply.  Likewise, negative screen 
current means the screen is actually
emitting electrons as if it were a cathode itself, a phenomenon caused by 
secondary emission where arriving electrons actually "knock off" electrons from 
the screen and it appears to be emitting electrons of its own. See Wikipedia 
discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_emission

Because of this phenomenon, the screen supply must be capable of supplying 
electrons as well as receiving them. This is most easily accomplished with a 
resistor from screen to ground, whose value is such that current through at 
idle equals or exceeds the value of expected negative screen current.

I wish the concept of "conventional current" would disappear from the textbooks 
since it purely imaginary. Electron flow is real.

73, Bill W6WRT
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