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Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Exchange sequence

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Exchange sequence
From: Jim Smith <jimsmith@shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:29:27 -0800
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Hi Kelly,

Certainly an example would work.

I wonder, though, why else would they have us sending exchange elements 
corresponding to the NTS preamble elements if not to accustom those who 
don't already know to the names of the preamble elements and the order 
in which they are sent?  I can't think of any other reason why they 
would do this.

 From this I infer that, while not explicitly stated in the rules, this 
is an implicit object.

No big deal, though, just a thought that occurred to me.

73, Jim VE7FO

Sandy Taylor wrote:
> Isn't it possible that by inserting an example...
> 
> W1AW 123 B NU1AW 71 CT
> 
> ...in the rules, the League is specifying how the exchange should be sent?
> 
> That said, an object of the contest is not to practice sending and receiving
> the NTS preamble.
> 
> 73, Kelly
> Ve4xt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Smith
> Sent: November-07-08 3:38 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS Exchange sequence
> 
> Given that the SS exchange is based on the NTS message form preamble, 
> then the correct order of the exchange elements is as shown in the 
> rules.  However, I don't see any reference to this in the rules.
> 
> Maybe the rules should add as an object of the contest, "To practice the 
> sending and receiving of the ARRL National Traffic System message form 
> preamble."
> 
> 73, Jim       VE7FO
> 
> Ken Adams wrote:
>> N5OT wrote:
>>
>>> The rules say nothing about the order of the items to be exchanged.  If
> you 
>>> copied their call then it was obviously sent at some point.  Presumably
> you 
>>> would not have gotten as far as deleting the QSO if you didn't have their
> 
>>> call logged already.  The  ARRL may have a position on this.  Maybe we 
>>> should ask "them" what "they" think before we get our knickers in a wad. 
>>
>> Mark is technically correct here, so we will address that before next 
>> year.  However, the rules do describe the exchange in the preferred 
>> order and the example is in the preferred (expected) order.
>>
>> See http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2008/novss.html number 4.
>>
>> The bottom line is that when someone sends you their exchange and omits 
>> their callsign there is a "deer in the headlights moment" on the 
>> receiving end.  At least that is what happened to me 4 times during SS 
>> CW.  I fumbled around with the space bar and got things in the right 
>> field.  Then again, I am an Okie and you need to keep things simple for
> me.
>> It's much more efficient for sender and receiver if the sequence is used 
>> as expected by 99.9% of the players.
>>
>> And thanks to everyone who got on for CW ... that was a great turnout as 
>> reflected in the scores !!!
>>
>> 73, Ken K5KA
>> Manager Sweepstakes Contest
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