Victor,
Rudy is probably onto something about trying to stay out of the middle of
the assisted/non-assisted discussions.
Here's my thought on what you may want to look into, and make your own
decision on how you wish to build your site.
Since you're already grouping the scores posted by the different classes,
as reported by the user's programs, so you have an indication of who is SO
and who is in one of the assisted/multi classes. Hide the breakdown feature
for users who are posting to an unassisted class, make it available to the
others. This lets you give each side what they want, and makes it a much
more purposeful effort for a user to access the breakdown if they shouldn't
be (e.g. logging out and viewing as a guest, or a different user, instead
of just accidentally clicking the link).
73,
Mike ND9G
73,
Mike ND9G
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> Victor,
>
> First and foremost thank you for promoting and developing the concept of
> online scoreboards. Even though they have been around for a while they have
> not been actively promoted. Personally, I have found them fun, motivating,
> and quite effective in attracting kids to contesting.
>
> IMHO, and as your own poll data shows, the level of details should be a
> personal choice, not your choice. By making the decision yourself you are
> inserting yourself in the endless debate of what assistance means. You
> really don't want to be in this business and subject yourself to constant
> criticism.
>
> Rudy N2WQ
>
> Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or
> inappropriate autocorrect.
>
>
> > On Aug 7, 2017, at 10:53 PM, Victor Androsov <victor.androsov@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Randy,
> >
> > As you know we are always trying to follow HAM community. Before make a
> > decision we've opened a poll about bands breakdown view on a score board.
> > You can see this poll results here : https://contestonlinescore.
> com/poll.png.
> > We've also contacted some NAQP guys and got their opinion.
> >
> > Since more than 50% of voters wish to limit breakdown view by one or
> > another way we decided to disable that option for NAQP CW in kind of
> trial
> > mode. Honestly I think we've chosen the right way since I've never seen
> so
> > many single ops on any score boards before as it was during NAQPC CW. I
> > believe many of them joined to a live score board for the first time. ))
> So
> > we are going to keep this limitation for the next NAQP SSB and probably
> for
> > the CQ WW RTTY/SSB/CW as well.
> >
> > Anyway, if majority of operators would convince us to remove that
> > limitation we could easily do that. We still collect all the breakdowns
> > data but suspend publishing it on the board if that particular contest
> > configured to disable breakdown view. We are always opened for any
> > suggestions and feedbacks ))
> >
> >
> > 73!
> >
> >
> > Victor
> >
> > VA2WA
> >
> >> On 6 August 2017 at 23:35, Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd@charter.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I do not understand why you feel an obligation to remove features from
> the
> >> scoreboard to prevent an entry being considered as "assisted."
> >>
> >> From the NAQP rules:
> >>
> >> "Access to spotting information
> >> obtained directly or indirectly
> >> from any source other than the
> >> station operator, such as from
> >> other stations or automated
> >> tools, is prohibited."
> >>
> >>
> >> There is no definition as to the meaning of "spotting information."
> When
> >> we
> >> look at the general ARRL contest rules and at the CQ contests, the
> concept
> >> of spotting information generally includes callsign, frequency, and
> time.
> >> The scoreboard provides none of these.
> >>
> >> I found use of the scoreboard to be very enjoyable during NAQP CW. It
> >> definitely helped me stay on the air and make more QSOs than I had
> planned
> >> or would have given the conditions.
> >>
> >> The scoreboard should include all features. If someone doesn't want to
> >> contribute their band information, they can choose not to do so in their
> >> logger. If they feel looking at the band info changes their category,
> they
> >> should choose not to click on the link that takes them to that info.
> >>
> >>
> >> Randy, K5ZD
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Victor Androsov
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 2:46 PM
> >>> To: cq-contest
> >>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW this weekend
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This weekend we expect good activity on the score board (
> >>> https://contestonlinescore.com ) since we have disabled breakdown
> info
> >>> for the NAQP contests. We think that would be safe now for single ops.
> >>> Using of online score board during the contest will not be considered
> as
> >>> undeclared assistance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please register and start configuring your loggers before the contest
> so
> >>> we could have enough time to assist you with the logger settings in
> case
> >>> of some issues.
> >>>
> >>> 73!
> >>>
> >>> Victor
> >>>
> >>> VA2WA
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