Mike:
Thanks for addressing this issue on behalf of the ARRL.
As you grapple with this, let me add a new dimension to the discussion, based
upon my experience as someone who had been using an unmodified FT 1000 MP. I
bought the rig in 2000, when key clicks were not in the forefront of
consciousnessas they are now (I estimate that more than 10% of the signals I
heard in last week's CW SS had key clicks). Very recently, my friend and
fellow NCCC member N6XG installed the INRAD anti-key-click mod into my MP.
As W6YA pointed out in his original post on this topic a few days ago, there
are mods available for the various (mostly Japanese rigs) that were designed in
such a way that key clicks would be inevitable.
However, it should be noted that the INRAD mod, which is the best known mod for
curing the FT 1000 MP key clicks, is extremely difficult to install. I never
could have done it myself. I was fortunate in that N6XG very generously gave
of his time to install it for me. I don't know how difficult the other mods
are for this rig, or how difficult the mods are for other clicky rigs, but at
least for the INRAD/MP combination, the sheer difficulty of installing the mod
is a significant deterrent to doing so.
It's no wonder that Yaesu repair guru WA4GEG's time is fully booked into 2021.
I suspect that a lot of what he has been doing lately is putting anti-key-click
mods into Yaesu's.
As K9YC pointed out in his excellent 2014 comparative engineering analysis on
the cleanliness of CW rigs, it's not a viable solution to require that all the
radios that currently have clicks be confiscated.
And Mike, while your efforts are to be applauded, changing a vague and largely
uneforceable rule to make it slightly less vague but still largely
unenforceable, will do little to rectify this problem.
So here is what I think the ARRL should do:
1. The ARRL Board should pass a resolution stating, with appropriate detail
and supporting documentation, that purity of transmitter signals is an
important element of good amateur operating practice.
2. This resolution should be sent to the major amateur radio transceiver
manufacturers throughout the world.
3. The ARRL should instensify its efforts to conduct thorough engineering
studies comparing the various rigs on the market.
4. The equipment reviews published in QST should emphasize that transmitter
purity is as important as receiver performance. These reviews should be very
candid and thorough.
73, Ed Radlo AJ6V
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2020 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Key Clicks.... Continuing Problem
Randy;
"I must admit some surprise that a task like this would fall into the domain of
a Director of the League."
I'm on the ARRL Board's Programs and Services committee, (PSC), along with four
more Directors, and others. The rest of the remaining ten Directors are either
on the Executive Committee, or the Administration and Finance Committee, both
which deal more with actually running the ARRL and governance. Our purview is
ARRL contests and events (such as Field Day), awards, the DXCC program,
contests, and for now, the ARES program under a sub-committee.
(If you read the Board minutes at all, you will see that I have been involved
in many of the recent Board governance motions anyway. I've done that in "rogue
Director" mode, not as part of a committee.)
So, why am I involved here? I brought the "key click" issue (I noted it also
during CQWW CW), before the PSC in a recent meeting after somebody here noted,
then I confirmed, that the ARRL General Contest Rules on the subject were a lot
more vague than those employed by CQ. I volunteered for the tasking in this
case in order to get this minor rules clarification done quickly, and on the
books. HQ staff is still under COVID guidelines, and most of the building is
empty. It was felt by the committee that this did not need to go to the CAC as
a big and drawn out project. I'm basically just spelling out in our rules what
is already noted in FCC Part 97.307, paragraphs (a),(b),and (c). Those cover,
in order, excessive bandwidth, splatter and keyclicks, and spurious emissions.
(Without specific parameters, I might add.)
People have two big criticisms about the ARRL. Number one is: "nobody listens
to us". Well, I do, otherwise you wouldn't be hearing from me.
Number two is: "you guys don't do anything". Well, at least I try.
73;
Mike
W7VO
> On 11/13/2020 6:30 PM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> I must admit some surprise that a task like this would fall into the domain
> of a Director of the League. Are there not staff to handled such details?
> This seems like a perfect tasking for the underutilized Contest Advisory
> Committee.
>
> This is also a much more difficult topic to write rules around than it might
> seem. The CQ WW added rules about signal quality a few years ago. The
> following falls under section XII.A Unsportsmanlike Conduct. "Signals with
> excessive bandwidth (e.g., splatter, clicks) or harmonics on other bands."
>
> Several of the CQ WW Contest Committee members have spent time trying to come
> up with a more formal definition of wide signals that could be used with
> audio recordings to make a solid case. I.e., something more than "knowing a
> bad signal when we see it." It has been a challenge. Jukka OH6LI did a
> write up on SSB signal quality at https://www.cqww.com/ssbsignalquality.htm
>
> It is probably best not to tie to specific rules or technologies. Bandwidth
> seems to be the best metric for determining signal quality. A signal is
> either within expected norms for the given mode or not. The challenge is how
> to measure that after the contest.
>
> 73,
>
> Randy K5ZD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On
> Behalf Of Michael Ritz
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 5:50 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Key Clicks.... Continuing Problem
>
> Not that it means much, but I am in the process of updating the ARRL General
> Contest rules to include "clean signal" requirements, including key clicks
> and splatter. Right now there is only a general "entrants are bound by
> regulations of their national licensing authority" in the ARRL rules. That
> implies FCC Part 97.307 for US entrants, but what about everybody else in the
> world?
>
> What I'm proposing to add "Each participant in an ARRL sponsored contest
> shall take precautions to ensure that all signals emitted are free from
> excessive bandwidth, splatter, key clicks, or other spurious emissions".
>
> As far as adjudication, I'm adding under "Disqualification and Penalties":
> "Unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated in ARRL contests. The ARRL
> reserves the right to take disciplinary action, up to and including
> disqualification, for entrants that violate this rule. This includes the
> emission of signals that do not meet applicable standards as specified...."
>
> Keep in mind that we (the ARRL) now have a pretty sophisticated Volunteer
> Monitor program in place, and they are looking for not only band-edge
> violators, but signal quality violations as well. Of course, still only for
> US entrants.
>
>
>
> 73;
> Mike
> W7VO
>
>
> > On 11/12/2020 1:50 PM Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Great post, Jim. Thanks!
> >
> > Based on what I learned doing that study several years ago of ARRL Lab
> > data, I completely agree. There are other things we can do as well.
> > After I gave a preliminary version of that study to someone who I
> > strongly suspected would pass it along to Yaesu, whose radios were the
> > worst offenders, a firmware upgrade for that series of radios was
> > released that improved keying to the extent that it looked more like
> > the second worst offender (of that generation), ICOM. :) If you have
> > one of those rigs, by all means install the upgrade. I did before and
> > after measurements of keying bandwidth on a neighbor's FTDX500. They are
> > here.
> >
> > http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf
> >
> > The study of ARRL Lab data is here.
> >
> > http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf
> >
> > Yes, the slowest possible rise time should be used when it can be
> > adjusted. The reason no adjustment is needed (or possible) with
> > Elecraft rigs (beginning with the K3) is that the keying waveform is
> > carefully shaped for maximum clarity and minimum clicks. Flex adopted
> > this a year or so after ARRL Labs first tested the 6500 series. I
> > don't know if they've tested those rigs for keying bandwidth after that
> > upgrade.
> >
> > Another major generator of clicks (and splatter) is the use of ALC
> > between the transceiver and the power amp to control power. In
> > general, that form of ALC should ONLY be used to protect the amp from
> > faults in the antenna system, including the operator transmitting into
> > the wrong antenna. :)
> >
> > I haven't studied the current generation of Yaesu rigs on CW, but the
> > lower cost models generate terrible splatter -- typically 2 kHz or
> > more on both sides of their intended bandwidth, only 20 dB down. That
> > is, 2 kHz on the suppressed side of the carrier, and 4-5 kHz on the
> > other side of suppressed carrier. I discovered this when helping a
> > neighbor figure out why his new Yaesu was splattering, also by
> > observing it on other signals, alerting the splattering station, who
> > told me what rig he was using.
> >
> > Obviously, if the transceiver is generating the splatter (or the
> > clicks), the power amp will amplify it (and maybe add more of its own).
> > Think about it -- if someone with one of these rigs is 30dB over S9 in
> > your receiver, his sidebands will be 10 dB over S9, not great if
> > you're trying to work someone on an adjacent frequency.
> >
> > Yes, there were some very clicky signals this weekend. Thankfully
> > fewer, as Elecraft and Flex rigs continue to proliferate.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> >
> > On 11/12/2020 9:23 AM, Jim McCook wrote:
> > > Anyone who has been operating in CW contests is aware of the rampant
> > > key click problem we all must deal with.
> > >
> > > If you are using a JA made radio, please check the CW rise time to
> > > be sure it's set to 8ms (unless 6ms is maximum... which needs to be
> > > changed). Also check to be sure you're not hot switching your
> > > amplifier. Key clicks in contests have become a serious problem and
> > > it's long overdue for resolution. If you use an older JA radio
> > > without that adjustment, there may be a key click mod that will
> > > eliminate those clicks.
> > >
> > > There is a reported case of a radio set for 8ms being sent to the
> > > manufacturer for repair and was returned with a 4ms setting. Please
> > > check after such repair returns.
> > >
> > > Elecraft and Flex users need not be concerned unless something is
> > > wrong with the radio.
> > >
> > > 73, Jim
> > > W6YA
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