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Re: [RFI] RFI From 2003 Toyota Tacoma

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Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI From 2003 Toyota Tacoma
From: "Ford Peterson" <ford@cmgate.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:16:16 -0600
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Man does this sound like Deja Vu or what?  I have a Tundra with the 4.7ltr V8, 
but the problems may be common.

I found that the biggest source of noise was coming from the COPs (coil on 
plug).  But you may not have these on your 4 cyl.  This is the Lexus 32 valve 
V8.  I have no clue if there is a common pedigree or not.  It's easy to 
identify since the noise follows the RPM of the motor.  

The second noise, and perhaps worse on 40m and 20m than 17m, was the electric 
fuel pump.  The pump wires go from the fuel tank, up to the cab and come up 
right under the driver's side seat, under the floor carpet to the driver's kick 
plate by your left foot.  It was noticable if the engine was NOT running, but 
only for a second or two while the fuel system pumped up.  Once the system was 
up to pressure, the pump shuts down.  It runs continuously with the engine 
running.  It also changes pitch based on fuel consumption.  At highway speeds, 
the noise is considerably less than at idle--and the pitch was different.  
Pulling the fuse on the pump (or was it the relay?), I was able to eliminate 
the noise 100%, but of course the engine would quit in about 3 seconds.

The "fix" is a nasty kludge job if you need to go into the harness and insert 
some sort of filter.  What I found is that dressing the feedline away from the 
area where the fuel pump wires run as far as possible.  I have not completely 
eliminated my noise, but it is at or below S0 on my IC706MKIIG (previously S9). 
 The remaining whine can be eliminated with the NB on the ICOM.  

I would NOT continue probing with a ground strap on those sensor lines.  You 
blow the engine controller on that Toyota and you are talking about a $1200 
repair.  No joke.  DO NOT PROBE with either power or ground!  Do NOT mess with 
the control lines unless you know exactly what you are doing.  I have the 
schematic on my truck and it only shows the harness connections, not the 
internal electronics to the modules, so you have no clue what measures the 
factory made to prevent damage from probing short circuits around.

Note that with the antenna removed from the connector (I use a hamstick) the 
noise could not be heard.  It is radiated noise so the mounting location may 
matter.  I was able to move my antenna from the middle driver's side stake 
pocket to the passenger's rear stake pocket, dressing the lines to run under 
the lip of the box.  That seemed to be best but not perfect.

Good luck...

Ford-N0FP
ford@cmgate.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john heinrich" <nd6h@sbcglobal.net>
To: <rfi@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: [RFI] RFI From 2003 Toyota Tacoma


>I have a 2003 Toyota Tacoma SR 5 Extra Cab truck with a 2.4 ltr 4 cyl. I have 
>an Icom 706MK2G in the truck and the antenna is a tarheel 100 mounted on the 
>driverside rear in a fold over hitch mount. The Antenna  mount attaches to the 
>rear of the frame rail. I have a ground strap going to the antenna. I have 
>tied all the body panels together. I am getting static on 20 and 17 meters 
>when the engine is running.( I think it is presant on all the bands bellow 20 
>meters as well, but due to the level of static usually presant on these bands 
>I am not possitive) 15, 12 and 10 meters are not effectedThe signal strength 
>is s5 to s7 and does not change when the engine rpm is increased with the gas 
>pedal. When the Idle speed is kicked up via the engine control computer there 
>is a slight change in the static. I have a good ground on the radio. The 
>interferance stops when I disconnect the coax from the antenna. I have tried 
>tracing the source of the interferance using an RFI sniffer and I h
> ave
> found several different locations, and I think the source location is the 
> engine control computer. I am now trying to find a way to trace the exact 
> wire or wires  broadcasting the interferance. I am also not sure how to 
> eliminate the problem once I locate the source wires.
> 
> I was able to stop the interferance once when I tried grounding the airflow 
> sencing module. The Check engine light also came on due to the ground. I 
> believe this temporarily shut off the computer. I turned off the engine and 
> waited a few minutes after ungrounding the sensor and then started the engine 
> again. the check engine light was now off and the interferance was back.
> 
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> 
> John ND6H
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