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Re: [RFI] Gone then back

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back
From: "Battles,Richard" <Battles.Richard@lee.k12.al.us>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:00:03 -0600
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I bet that the new dimmers have gone to a PWM controller, they are not using 
the RC network and a SCR to control the turn on turn off times.  If it is a 
Pulse Width Modulation controller then that explains the rfi on 40 meters.  If 
it is a PWM controller then maybe a common-mode choke will work on the 120 line 
suppling power to the lights and controller.  I saw the other day some real 
small PWM controllers that would fit into
a dimmer box.  Again I would check with the neighbor and let them hear the RFI 
with a receiver and check the maker of the dimmer.  I would do some explaining 
of the problem.  This is a part 15 device and even if it is not a part 15 
device, the RFI is not exceptable or allowed by law.  just like a bad door bell 
transformer, it cannot cause RFI.

richard
wb4byq
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From: dalej [dj2001x@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:18 AM
To: Battles,Richard
Cc: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back

It blankets the bands, worse is 40 meters, but I can hear it up on six too when 
my high gain M2 yagi is pointed at the house.

Lutron is a good brand, I'll keep it in mind.  I visited a local Home Depot the 
other day and noticed a whole shelf full of dimmer devices.  They looked like a 
new technology dimmers.  I'll have to check them out a little closer next time.

Tnx
Dale,k9vuj



On 01, Feb 2011, at 20:19, Battles,Richard wrote:

> I have light dimmer switches in my home with no rfi at all.  they are the 
> Lutron type with the three way switch and dimmer.  i am wondering what 
> frequency do you hear this rfi, is it very broad in nature.  if it is the 
> dimmer
> then i would check the brand.
>
> richard
> wb4byq
>
> ________________________________________
> From: rfi-bounces@contesting.com [rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> dalej [dj2001x@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:15 PM
> To: RFI List
> Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back
>
> Hello Richard,
>
> All good suggestions and thankyou, but I rather have mfg recall defective 
> product and that would come about with the FCC getting better at monitoring 
> potential emitters like they monitor new ham rigs before allowing mfg to sell 
> them.  The local home improvement stores are loaded with them.  Not all are 
> bad, but the bad ones need to be dealt with.  A do-it-yourselfer will most 
> always go with the least expensive solution and that will be the cheap junk.  
> As a legal license holder the burden of proof or enforcement should not be my 
> responsibility. My other neighbor is at this very moment getting some 
> remodeling done to his house.  I dread the thought of more dimmer lights on 
> the other side of me.
>
> This comes close to neighborhood speeders for example, who happen to live 
> across the street, the police rarely patrol so the burden is on the homeowner 
> to snitch on the neighbor which in turn causes friction, that would apply to 
> your method too.  I don't want to live in a war zone.  Let the mfg buck-up 
> and clean up, but it takes a strong enforcement from the FCC which so far has 
> not appeared at as far as I can tell.
>
> I have entertained the idea of getting the biggest KW and running it at full 
> legal power then see what happens next.
>
> Dale, k9vuj
>
>
>
> On 31, Jan 2011, at 17:43, Battles,Richard wrote:
>
>> do what i have done.  write a complaint about the problem, address it to the 
>> ARRL, Mike Gruber, he will send them a letter, he will also copy the letter 
>> to the FCC, give them about 60 days to fix the problem, contact you if the 
>> problem has been fixed, if not then the complaint will be forward to the FCC 
>> and they will send the a letter.
>> I have found that if i was causing them RFI they will complain to someone.  
>> I just tell my neighbors that that device is causes RFI to a license 
>> service, do some explaining, give them a sample letter that can be found on 
>> the internet, and you understand that they cannot know or understand the 
>> problem, but the RFI needs to stop.
>>
>> I have done this to two neighbors and we still speak to each other.  They 
>> need to be informed consumers, just as we are.
>>
>> Just another day in the neighborhood.  they will most likely get over it.
>>
>> richard
>> wb4byq
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: rfi-bounces@contesting.com [rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
>> dalej [dj2001x@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:31 PM
>> To: Rick Scott
>> Cc: rfi@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back
>>
>> Probably a neighbors dimmer light.  I got one here too.  I can put my 
>> portable SW up to the power meter or any wires and it comes in stronger.  I 
>> know for a fact it's their dimmer because I went over with my SW rx one day 
>> and had them shut it off and the noise went away.  Sadly, our FCC does 
>> nothing about the sale of this junk and leaves it up to the licensed 
>> operator to somehow get the neighbor to fix it which is not an easy task.  
>> Short of a class-action lawsuit against all mfg that make and import this 
>> crap, there is not much we can do about it except try to get the neighbor to 
>> co-operate and fix it, not likely.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Dale, k9vuj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31, Jan 2011, at 17:13, Rick Scott wrote:
>>
>>> My noise went away for the weekend now its back with a vengeance.  I need to
>>> wait for the ARRL RFI guy.
>>>
>>> I have a Grundig Receiver I took in the garage and had it on the worst 
>>> frequency
>>> and then shut down the house.
>>>
>>> Never went away, so its definitely external.
>>>
>>> Thing is, I can hear it on every light fixture and near the wall power when 
>>> I
>>> take the mini antenna and walk around
>>> the house, so its definitely coming in on the house wire.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scotty W7PSK
>>>
>>>
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