James:
 Jim (K9YC) gave TJ recommendations on the type of chokes that were to be 
installed on my neighbors installation. However, I'm not sure how much 
of Jim's design was actually used.
 Have you had the time to evaluate the RFI since the chokes were 
installed? Can you give us a before and after evaluation on the noise?
Tony -K2MO
On 9/25/2020 8:33 PM, WW3S wrote:
 Tom, aka TJ, is pretty good.....you are correct, he doesnt like Tonys 
article from Arpil 2020, not sure why, but the retrofit they did at my 
neighbors was very similar except they used clamp on ferrites, big son 
of a guns.....Paul is probably monitoring, he can chime in if he 
wants, but the engineer I had was Mike, and was very familiar with the 
work done at Pauls....I didnt get a good look at the ferrites, they 
were already on the roof when I saw them, but they twisted the heck 
out of the wiring, and replaced all the optimizers.....Paul thought 
they used type 31 ferrite, but in an email from TJ, he said the used a 
type 75, ECM-IN-66OHM (maybe their part #)...he also said they 
eliminated a ground fault pitch point ?!?!?!?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Tony" <73guddx@gmail.com>
To: "Rfi List" <rfi@contesting.com>
Sent: 9/25/2020 8:03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [RFI] Question Regarding Variations In Solar Panel RFI?
 
Jim:
 Tom Simpson (Solar Edge Engineer) will be visiting the site sometime 
in the near future so I'm hoping he'll address the potential problems 
you mentioned.
 The issues you describe may also explain why the suppression hasn't 
been very effective. The noise was 15db over S-9 prior to the 
suppression being installed and it's now S-9 plus a tad for a 
reduction of roughly 10db.
 This installation may require the methods used by Tony Brock-Fisher 
which includes chokes between the inverter and mains which is 
something Solar Edge frowns upon. Not sure if it's a cost or a code 
issue.
Thanks Jim.
Tony -K2MO
On 9/25/2020 6:49 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
 
Tony,
 There are MANY variables and wiring errors and system layout errors 
that can contribute to how much RFI is radiated. One issue that Teff 
communicated to me was that the framing holding the panels was 
bonded to ground on the other side of the building from the power 
entry. If this is true, it creates a current loop that could be 
causing or contributing to your problem.
 Wiring can be prevented from radiating by shielding, IF, AND ONLY 
IF, the shielding is continuous. In the real world that I'm aware 
of, the only shielded AC wiring is that which is enclosed in steel 
conduit, that is continuously bonded together. That's quite rare in 
residences, except in cities like Chicago, where the Electricians 
Union has it written into the city's Electrical Code as a means of 
providing more work to Electricians.
 Running twisted pair for power can prevent radiation from the 
current-carrying conductors (phase and neutral), but won't help with 
common mode RF current, which is nearly always on the green wire. 
And the common mode current is there because of bonding failures, 
either in the construction of the equipment itself, or in the 
installation, or both.
 The wiring inside the home could be hot with RF as a result of 
wiring errors at outlets, at panels (double-bonded neutral), even 
bonding at equipment. At the home I bought in California, I found an 
outlet wired with neutral and ground reversed, and I found outlets 
in the kitchen of a "mother-in-law" garage apartment fed between 
phase and green rather than phase and neutral. I also found no 
ground at all at the service entrance -- it was bonded to a hose 
outlet that was fed by PVC pipe!
73, Jim K9YC
On 9/25/2020 3:22 PM, Tony wrote:
 
All:
 The reports I've read suggest that the strength of interference 
caused by solar panel systems can vary from one installation to the 
next EVEN when the distance to the source is similar. That 
variation could be attributed to radiating conductors tied to the 
system such as the house wiring.
 We found high levels of RFI on the A/C lines throughout my 
neighbors home and that's likely the case with all Solar Edge 
installations since there are no chokes between the mains and 
inverter.
 Given those facts, would a large home with long runs of un-shielded 
Romex produce higher levels of interference compared to a smaller 
home with shorter runs? Or does the resonance of the wiring play 
more of a role than length and number of runs?
 It's an oversimplification, but it seems logical to consider what's 
connected to system and not just the system itself.
Tony -K2MO
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