Harry, methinks it is you who is missing the big picture. Weather we like it 
or not, the industry is going the way of TT and either firmware upgradable 
rigs, or the pure software control like the SDR-1000. 
 
We can not think in terms of the old plug and play version 1 or 2. 
 
The other three manufactures are all working on their versions. Icom has 
allready released one in the 7800 which has upgradable firmware.(They had to 
recall the whole lot for a harware mistake). 
 
The times they are a changing, get the rig now and enjoy. 
 
Bill  kc4atu
QRP,doing more with less  
 
 
From: Harry Reed <doon@infoscientific.com> 
Reply-To: doon@infoscientific.com,Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment 
<tentec@contesting.com> 
To: tentec@contesting.com 
Subject: Re: [TenTec] re should i buy an orion now 
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:27:38 -0700 
 
Methinks that people are forgetting the big picture. 
 
Most, if not all, here want dependability, reliability, and repeatability 
in their rigs - 
especially ones that costs ~$4000. Is that *really* too much to ask? TTs 
competition doesn't 
seem to think so. If I wanted an experimental rig I'd go out and buy a 
SDR-1000. 
 
While the Orion's hardware seems to be up to the task (albeit getting a 
little 
long in the tooth) TT firmware seems to have lingering problems. I gather 
TT software 
engineering has been more than a little taxed trying to implement a bug 
free SDR HF XCVR. 
Real-time software is a bear unless done exactly right - the last 2+ years 
of upgrades 
has shown that they haven't. Indeed, going from a 1.x release to a 2.x 
release indicates 
that they probably programmed themselves into a corner, so to speak. "When 
all else 
fails do a rewrite!" Let's see if they can get it right with the v2 
firmware. If not, maybe 
they should open up the firmware development to the FS/OS software 
community (ala GNURadio) 
and get it done right HIHI :) 
 
 Please, don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing TT or the Orion. TT seems 
to be a fine 
company and the Orion has the potential of being a fine rig worth its 
asking price. I 
just don't think people are happy in spending ~$4000 on a SDR whose 
firmware is still 
very much beta quality and a work in progress. I'm curious what's happening 
to TTs reputation 
in all of this? Surely it can't be good. Indeed, one has to wonder how many 
people bear with 
TT and their Orion in the hopes that TT will fix the problems and that the 
Orion will get 
better because they don't want to admit that they spent their hard earned 
$$$ on a subpar, 
even flaky radio? 
 
For these reasons I'm holding off my Orion purchase until v2 of the 
firmware comes out and 
the Orion owners/users/abusers have their say. I don't demand a *perfect* 
radio. 
Just one that doesn't hang or require a HW reset because I twiddled a knob 
the wrong way - 
one that works reliably and predictably when I want it and when I need it. 
 
Harry Reed, AB7YF 
 
 ><<<I just can't see any viable reason to not try/own an Orion. Especially
>any technical reasons.>>>
  
 >
 >I'd go through the reflector archive for the past 2-3 years and look
at what earlier >purchasers went through.
 >
 >If you have a lot of free time to tinker, maybe it's okay. For example
if you are >retired and have a lot of patience maybe it's okay.
 >
 >I'm pretty low on time and patience. I want dependability. I want to
be able to unbox >the rig, power it up, hook an antenna to it, ground,
mic, key, cans...whatever i >need, adjust collector PA current and mic
gain, adjust AF/RF gain, tune around, hit >the PTT button and start
making contacts.
 >
 >If it's much more involved than that, or its behavior mysteriously
changes from one >day to the next on a regular basis, then I start
loosing interest.
 >
 >So the likes and dislikes probably have as much to do with operator
personality as >anything else.
 >
 >rob/k5uj  
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