Although I'm fortunate to have space to put up antennas and no SD 
restrictions, I've found that "wire in the air" works.  Be it a W shape, a Z 
shape, L shape or an O shape or what ever you can support.  No one said it 
has to be straight, in the clear and up near the clouds.  Mine, 256 ft long 
end to end, center fed with a balanced feed line of the window line material 
from The Wireman, and fed from a home brew real balanced tuner, not a balun 
type.  The wire antennas are 55 ft above ground, supported at the center by 
3 ft steel stand-off arms from the tower.  The ends are ~25 ft above ground 
level.  One is broadside E & W and the other is broadside N & S.  I find 
very little interaction between the two antennas with this arrangement.  At 
the same time, I find that mutual coupling between antennas can be 
problematic.
 Now if you have specifics as to direction then of course height and position 
has dramatic effects.  Lower antennas, less than 1/4 wavelength in height do 
produce stronger signals close in.  For DX work, antennas approaching 1/2 
wavelength in height are preferable but won't serve well for close in work.
 As to station height, again fortunate that I'm 1850 ft ASL and more 
importantly, some 500 ft above average terrain out to 35 miles.
73
Bob, K4TAX
 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Molenda" <cdistflatfoot@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] qrp
 Well that is Great , all I have is a vertical haven't figured out how to 
hang such a long ant for  160 How long did you say your 160 ant is ?  any 
way I am 1100ft. above sea level here but can only get a dipole up about 
45-55 ft. in the air .  I will listen for you tonight if I can remember 
@1997 8pm est. where are you located ? The only radio I have set up for 
tonight would be my flex 1500 so 5 watts will be my limit .   my call is 
kb2huk  located in East Aurora  20 miles SE of Buffalo NY .  John Molenda
On 9/7/2012 10:50 PM, Rodney wrote:
 
 -----Original Message----- From: Rodney Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 
10:47 PM To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment Subject: Re: [TenTec] qrp
No problem with me and my orion I used 10watts and get out, maybe it's my 
ant 317ft up 70ft a double ex zipp for 75m works great on 78/80 m 40m 
160m
-----Original Message----- From: John Molenda
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:28 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] qrp
what part of the band is for qrp?  160 seems like a pretty tough band to
work with 5 watts or less .  John kb2huk
On 9/7/2012 4:36 PM, Rodney wrote:
 
I just talk  to   Stan at Ten Tec and the new radio will have 160m.
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