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Re: Topband: W8ji ATR-10 design 160M?

To: "topband" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: W8ji ATR-10 design 160M?
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:00:54 -0400
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Respectfully, the X match is nothing but a common T-match with a fixed capacitor in one leg. In a normal T-match, operating Q can be varied over a wide range by adjusting L/C ratios. By restricting range of one leg, operating Q range is limited. So it actually **is** a T match, it just has two adjustable branches instead of the more common three adjustable branches, restricting the operating Q range and matching range.

The ATR10 is more like the common old Johnson matchbox, with the exceptions instead of a link it has a tap and it is single ended. The tap sets the operating Q, just as the link ratio sets the operating Q in a Matchbox. This restricts the matching range and operating Q range.

Tuners that fix the operating Q at a certain value, or limit the operating Q range, will always restrict matching range. The operating Q restriction limits peak voltages or currents by preventing grossly improper adjustments, but the very same thing that limits voltages or current by definition also limits matching range.

An L network limits matching range the most of any network for a give range of component values, but also limits operating Q the most. It has only one operating Q available at any given impedance ratio. The Q varies with load impedance. You cannot have too much Q, or it won't match.

This is, unfortunately, the way the world works. Everything is a tradeoff of matching range, cost, complexity, and power rating. No single network, just like no single balun, is all things to all cases.

The widest matching range for a given cost is a T network with two adjustable capacitors and one shunt inductor. Unfortunately, people think (and articles repeat) the silly idea that the proper way to tune is to start with capacitors at half and tune for maximum receive.

Most of any improvement centers around preventing people from doing something silly, by limiting what they can do. There isn't any magic circuit.

Tom

----- Original Message ----- From: "N4XM Paul D. Schrader" <n4xm@iglou.com>
To: "Jim GM" <jim.gmforum@gmail.com>
Cc: "topband" <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: W8ji ATR-10 design 160M?


Jim,

I did not make the comments you said I made below.  And the XMATCH Antenna
Tuner is NOT a "T" match.
It is a patented circuit.  This unique circuit is a United States Patent.

And see http://n4xm.myiglou.com

Paul  N4XM

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