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Re: Topband: Rig Comparisons

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Subject: Re: Topband: Rig Comparisons
From: Paul Christensen <w9ac@arrl.net>
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 11:00:53 -0400
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Sorry for the dyslexia.  I've been meaning to type APD, not ADP. 

Paul, W9AC

Sent from my iPhone5

> On Aug 3, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Christensen <w9ac@arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Tom,  
> 
> Also consider a situation where a solid-state transceiver is driving a class 
> B amp with, for example, -20 dBc 3rd order IMD -- and that IMD is much worse 
> than the driving transmitter. In that case ADP is correcting IMD products 
> where IMD is generated primarily from the amp. 
> 
> Paul, W9AC 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone5
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 10:25 AM, "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You¹ll final several references of ANAN users who have improved internal
>> transceiver shielding so that RF detection comes only from the sample port
>> and not internal leakage.  Otherwise, the ADP algorithm is trying to
>> simultaneously correct for non-linearity of two amplifiers (internal and
>> external) and not just one  < when only the external amp requires IMD
>> optimization.  >>>>>>>>>
>> 
>> I know Paul knows how it works, but the explanation was incorrect.
>> 
>> The bulk of distortion is almost always, with the exception of a few radios 
>> and amplifiers, from the transceiver. Most external amplifiers, with the 
>> exception of the common poorly designed tetrode systems and low voltage 
>> solid state amps, are significantly more linear than the exciter. A grounded 
>> grid triode amplifier using 8877 tubes, or even 811A tubes, is significantly 
>> cleaner than most radios (even when the amplifier is being hammered). The 
>> general exception are tetrodes with improper screen and bias regulation that 
>> lack the heavy negative feedback of grounded grid amps, or the rare radios 
>> with exceptional transmitter linearity.
>> 
>> Distortion correction *must* include the exciter, but it must be at the 
>> antenna port.
>> 
>> Unwanted coupling from the exciter does not cause the ADP system to correct 
>> the exciter. Unwanted coupling introduces a sample that is not 
>> representative of what is actually on the antenna port. This effect is 
>> commonly observed when we try to monitor our own transmitters with other 
>> receivers at the operating position. We often hear hum, noise, distortion, 
>> and artifacts that are not on the antenna line.
>> 
>> 73 Tom 
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