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Re: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radiallengthcalculation

To: w4buw@aol.com, Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radiallengthcalculations.
From: k1fz@myfairpoint.net
Reply-to: k1fz@myfairpoint.net
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:23:48 -0500
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Look at the radial field as a FAT inductor. A fat tower has a lower Q and wider bandwidth, lower impedance at the top/far end.  
 73
Bruce-=k1fz.  

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:10:32 -0500, w4buw@aol.com wrote:

GM BRIAN... I HAVE BEEN OFF TOP BAND FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND NOT AS ACTIVE AT AGE 76 AS I ONCE WAS...   GOING BACK TO MY OLD EE DAYS, IF Q=X/R, DOESN'T Q INCREASE IN VALUE AS R DECREASES IN VALUE?  SEE YOUR COMMENT I HAVE UNDERLINED AND PLACED IN BOLD FONT BELOW...  
 73 DE GEORGE, W4BUW
  
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: k1fz
 To: Topband
 Sent: Fri, Dec 19, 2014 3:56 pm
Subject: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radiallengthcalculations.
 
 The on/in ground wire- as RF advances toward the normal 1/4 wave high
 impedance (/high voltage point)  finds itself tightly coupled to a +-
 350 ohm typical ground resistance. 'Hogs the voltage right down'
  
 Many  Shorter radials do not develop enough high voltage, not
reaching 1/4 wave.  
 Multiple radials divide the loss like resistors in parallel. lowering
 the  Q,   lower impedance, with lower voltage, being  pulled down
results in less voltage leakage at the far ends.
73
 Bruce-K1FZ
 www.qsl.net/k1fz/beveragenotes.html
  
  

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:21:12 -0500, k8bhz@hughes.net wrote:
 I can’t agree with this “conventional” thinking. Why does a piece
 of wire magically lose it’s length just because you lay it on the
 ground? The electrical length changes because of Vf, and it’s
 resistance changes because of the lossy ground, but it’s still a
 piece of wire. I’m going to try to attach a posting I did back in
2006. If it doesn’t work, I will follow with a separate posting. >
 > Brian K8BHZ
 >
 > From: Tree
 > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:07 AM
 > To: Doug Turnbull
 > Cc: k8bhz@hughes.net ; 160
 > Subject: Re: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radial
length calculations. >
 > Radials on the ground do not have a magic length. Worrying about
resonance for them is not necessary. >
 >
 > If you tune a quarter wave wire up in the air - then lay it onto
 the ground - it couples to the ground and is no longer a distinct
 single piece of wire. Just make them an easy length to deal with and
put as many of them down as you can. >
 >
 > Tree N6TR
 >
 >

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