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Re: Topband: Strange behaviour of radial systems

To: "Kees Nijdam" <clnijdam@knid.nl>, <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange behaviour of radial systems
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:40:26 -0500
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Kees,

What else is around your verticals? Just the fact something is not resonant does not mean it isn't a problem.

To my ashtonishment, vertical 1: 28-j328 Ohm and vertical 2: 12-j320 Ohm both on 1825 kHz. The vertical with the smallest radial system has the lowest earth resistance (around 5 Ohms, estimating 7 Ohms radiation resistance for a 21m high vertical). The oldest vertical (nr1) with 50 radials seems to have more than 20 Ohms.....


Since it is a system with standing waves, even on the radials, impedance at the base might not represent true ohmic losses.

I measured the earth conductivity with the 2-conductor method and I found that the soil under vertical nr 2 has better conductivity (maximum found: 25 mS/m) compared to vertical nr
1 (maximum: 21,5 mS/m).

If that is a low frequency measurement, I have never seen a measurement like that mean very much on HF or higher. Typically you are measuring rod contact and 50/60 Hz more than RF behavior.

If it is an RF measurement, like rod centered on a large screen and measured against the screen, it is much more useful but still not always accurate.

I have little faith in two rods, and no faith in something done on power line frequencies.

What you measure might not mean anything for performance.

73 Tom
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