Herbert Schoenbohm <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>
Monday, July 3, 2017 7:00 PM
Many have tried balloon or kite supported 5/8 wave verticals on 160 with
disappointing results. I used to have a 308 self supporting tower which i
could use at night on 160 but it never ever beat a corner fed delta loop
supported by the same tower.
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Peter Voelpel <mailto:dj7ww@t-online.de>
Monday, July 3, 2017 6:38 PM
Please check the pattern on 60 and 40m where the 37m high vertical is
going
to be used.
You certainly will see the high angle lobes.
73
Peter
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From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Moizeau
Sent: Dienstag, 4. Juli 2017 00:10
To: Herbert Schoenbohm; TopBand List
Subject: Re: Topband: 160 meter 1/4 vertical
The free-space pattern of current in a vertical (and also horizontal)
antenna is crescent shaped with its maximum at the midpoint, and a minimum
at each end. It shows nothing that could be termed an extraneous lobe. Any
such lobes would seem to be the result of improper matching, or more
likely,
the fact that in the real world such an antenna is in an environment
that is
certainly not free space.
higher angles.
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Charles Moizeau <mailto:w2sh@msn.com>
Monday, July 3, 2017 6:09 PM
The free-space pattern of current in a vertical (and also horizontal) antenna
is crescent shaped with its maximum at the midpoint, and a minimum at each end.
It shows nothing that could be termed an extraneous lobe. Any such lobes
would seem to be the result of improper matching, or more likely, the fact that
in the real world such an antenna is in an environment that is certainly not
free space.
The Franklin collinear antenna is usually shown either with in-line 1/4-wave
inverted coaxial segments, or for wire antennas with quarter-wave decoupling
stubs hanging down from the adjacent ends of the in-line half-wave radiating
sections. For the latter, the quarter-wave decoupling stubs can be reshaped
so that they run parallel to the half-wave radiating sections, and this makes
for a neater configuration.
Years ago 73 Magazine had an article describing a 7/8 wavelength vertical
mobile antenna for VHF (two meters). The bottom section was 1/2 wave and
presented a high input impedance, and I believe used a LC matching arrangement
to the 50-Ohm coaxial feedline. The top section was 3/8 wavelength and
decoupled from the bottom section with just a low-value capacitor. I seem to
recall that the overall dimensions were for a length that was 5/6 wavelength,
but that is only five percent less than 7/8 wavelength. The article showed
comparative field-strength readings that showed superior results for this
antenna versus 1/4, 1/2and 5/8 wavelength antennas. Clearly, size matters.
73,
Charles, W2SH
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From: Topband<topband-bounces@contesting.com> on behalf of Herbert
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Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:46 PM
To: Jos Mols; TopBand List
Subject: Re: Topband: 160 meter 1/4 vertical
Forget about the high impedance issues on 40 and also 80. IMHO the best
and easiest solution for you is to make some simple wire decoupling sleeves
or wire cage for the higher bands and they could be current fed like 160
meters and much less complicated to feed without extensive matching. Also
1/.2 wave vertical are notorious for not working well with some obnoxious
lobes. The only full wave verticals that I know to work are of the
Franklyn antenna design and require a decoupling at the 1/2 part with the
other 1/2 wave above it. This is said to produce some low angle gain and
essentially double the radiated signal without the wasteful lobes at much
higher angles.
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Jos Mols<jos.mols2@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, currently working on getting a radial net worked into my garden&
pavement. Appr 40 radials ranging from 10 to 40+ meters.
I can raise vertical to appr 37 meters. main interest is 160 meters.
I would liketo use this vertical for 80, 60 and 40 meters. Considering
end-fed configuration for 80/40 so making hi impedance match. Wondering if
anyone has expereince with different options to achieve the same?
Thanks in advance for your response.
Jos PA0LSB
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