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Re: Topband: ARRL DXCC - 160 Meters

To: Mike Cizek W0VTT <mgcizek@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL DXCC - 160 Meters
From: Jean-Paul Albert via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Jean-Paul Albert <f6fya@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:00:26 +0100
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Thanks Mike for your prompt answer. 
Rules are very clear about that situation. 
Thanks to all of YouTube for the great job you do checking QSO’s. 

See u on top band. 

Jean-Paul 

Envoyé de mon iPad

> Le 21 nov. 2018 à 16:32, Mike Cizek W0VTT <mgcizek@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> Hello Jean-Paul,
>  
> From the current DXCC Rules:
>  
> 9.  Station Location and Boundary:
>  
> a) All stations used to make contacts for a specific DXCC award must be 
> located within the same DXCC entity.
> b) All transmitters and receivers comprising a station used for a specific 
> contact must be located within a 500-meter diameter circle.
> c) QSOs made with legally licensed, remotely controlled stations are allowed 
> to be used for DXCC credit.
>  
> This means it is legal to use a remote station to work DX, but it is NOT 
> legal to transmit from home and use a remote receive site.  I know we all 
> have our own opinions on this, but this is what the rules say.
>  
> Card checkers really have no way of knowing what the applicant was doing, but 
> we are told to note the time of the QSO on the application for all 160m QSOs. 
>  If a W0 or W9 presents me with a card for a 160m QSO with JA at 1400z, which 
> is long after our sunrise, I will certainly make note of it on the 
> application.
>  
> --
> 73,
> Mike Cizek WØVTT
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Paul 
> Albert via Topband
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 07:16
> To: n4is@n4is.com
> Cc: Greg; topband; w5zn@w5zn.org
> Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL DXCC - 160 Meters
>  
> Hi guys,
>  
> What about remote stations (to transmit, to receive or both) for any awards ?
>  
> Is any recommandations for checkers ?
>  
> Best 73
>  
> Jean-Paul F6FYA / TM4Q
>  
> Envoyé de mon iPad
>  
> > Le 20 nov. 2018 à 18:55, <n4is@n4is.com> <n4is@n4is.com> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Guys
> >
> > Here what I think is the problem. DXCC records and link accounts. This is a
> > problem with CQ WAZ as well. Here some examples, Back in late 80's a PY1
> > send 40 cards to claim CQ WAZ 40 zones on 160m, just after HB9AMO  Plaque #
> > 1  -  13 June 1987 . K1MEM sent a letter to PY1RO to check the cards, and
> > several cards was just impossible QSO's, like China during daytime and the
> > Chinese station never worked on 160m.  The certificate was canceled, however
> > 10 to 20 years later the same guy apply again and get his WAZ original
> > certificate number validate using old credits. The certificate was canceled
> > but the filed credits not.
> >
> > Same thing on DXCC, after 10 years you can apply again, using link accounts,
> > and using old credits on file. I've seen this with others PY, LZ and why not
> > this OK. This is fixable.
> >
> > I understand the ARRL wants to be very discreate when someone is caught
> > doing creative things, no moral or ethical help on publicity.
> >
> > So I believe it is just an internal broken process that allow linked
> > accounts and old records to be used again without verification.
> >
> > The issue I see on LOTW is a lack of card check at the same level we have
> > with paper QSL cards.
> >
> > Here some examples. PY3CEJ posted on his website a QSL card with a SSB QSO
> > 11:30 am local noon time, and with only 100w.  I call PY3CEJ and challenged
> > him about this impossible QSO, few days latter the 4W guy uploaded on Club
> > Log this fantastic QSO. If you look on the statistics there is only one
> > single QSO on 160, 2 QSO's on 80m and 100's of QSO on 40m SSB, most with
> > JA's. I cannot say that this QSO was uploaded to LOTW, but there is nothing
> > to prevent it.
> >
> > In the last six years we've seen a large number of QSO during day time on
> > 160m from several " groups club" , like the ongoing strong between PY, LZ
> > and YB. QSO's on 160m on broad day sun light. Ongoing means last week with
> > new impossible QSO's on Club Log and credits on the DXCC list latter for
> > sure.
> >
> > The explanation from ARRL was that there is no way to stop "them". I don't
> > agree with it, a simple code on LOTW DXCC validation can flag those daytime
> > 160m QSO's for late "card check".
> >
> > The real thing here is the most dangerous behavior for our hobby.
> >
> > if you don't care I don' t mind, and I don't mind if you don't care.
> >
> > Please!  we do care,   and we do mint!   Do something too!...
> >
> > 73's
> > JC
> > N4IS
> >
> >
> >
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