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Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX everywhere - th

To: "'Topband reflector'" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX everywhere - the facts
From: <n4is@n4is.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:39:24 -0500
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Hi Frank

 

I can comment on horizontal polarization. I am experiencing both polarization 
since 1980; with a vertical and a inverted V at 30m and 40m later; also with 
high DRF receiving antennas like the HWF and VWF since 2006.

 

Here my 2 cents.

 

 

There are 3 steps.

 

1.      Make the power out of your antenna.
2.      Get the wave up to be refracted down.
3.      After refracted the wave get propagated.

 

These 3 different things need attention. I will comment 3 to 1

 

3-

*       Does not matter the original polarization after the wave refract it 
splits in horizontal and vertical polarization.
*       The propagation is different for both waves, ordinary and extraordinary.
*       The attenuation is also different during the path. It is normal for me 
here in South Florida, 23 degree North, to hear VK6 on horizontal HWF 30 
minutes before SR coming from 210 degree SSW, and nothing on the VWF vertical, 
then at Sunrise’ the signal change  to direct path W and peak at SR only on the 
VWF, no copy on the HWF. 
*       W8JI did not have a horizontal RX antenna with high RDF to compare with 
high RDF RX antennas.

 

 

2

 

*       The direction is very important, N-S is affected by the inclination of 
the earth magnet field.  Signals from south are stronger on horizontal,  there 
is less  attenuation near the equator for horizontal pol. 
*       Working stations from Africa or pacific , W -E, it’s is normal to 
experience long and deep QSB, The polarization shift slowly between vertical 
and horizontal, the signal is Q5 on the Horizontal WF, after few minutes fade 
and become Q5 on the Vertical WF.
*       This is the same on 160 80 , but on not on 40m where horizontal 
polarization is always better.

 

1

 

*       Ground interaction between matter (ground) and radio frequency wave is 
the same everywhere on 160m. Horizontal signal has a -1 factor and cancel 
signals near the ground, The inverted V or Dipole is always near to the ground 
on 160m (500ft), the irradiation patter is 50% vertical and 50% horizontal.
*       My first experience with a ¼ wave full size vertical was in Brazil back 
in 1990, I worked 9V1XQ with 400 w using the ¼ TX vertical. Few month later I 
installed a inverted V at 120 ft. high.
*       All A/B tests did show 10 db improvement on the inverted V over the 
vertical with a poor ground plane. 
*       The issue is what kind of test you can do. Well we test SSB with local 
guys , 4000 miles QSO’s on CW, but it is hard to test with 8000 miles  or more.
*       Before 2000, PY1RO had a 20 years sked with Mike VK6HD near SR and 
never completed one QSO. In the last 20 years there was several QSO’s PY-VK6 
with signals coming from NNE near SS. Hard to tell if the vertical TX antenna 
was used or not on the VK6HD side.
*       Vertical for 160m on South America used to be very rare. Nowadays we 
have several great signals using ¼ wave vertical, LU8DPM , PP5JR, PY2RO and 
others. The difference between them and the guys  using an inverted V are at 
least 10 db better here in Florida for the vertical antenna.
*       W4ZV , Bill always tell me to get and inverted V to work pacific, Bill 
loves his inverted V. Here in my QTH, I don’t have the space for one, but I 
never feel necessary because I work pacific with my Vertical and listening on 
the HWF all the time.

 

Using the HWF in my city lot I just don’t hear any manmade noise from the city 
around me, I have common node noise under control. The signals are always weak 
then the HWF, but always with better signal to noise ratio then the VWF. 

 

The issue in 160m is that the HWF needs to be above 85ft. 90 is good, 120 is 
better and 160ft at K9CT or 200ft like W8LRL is just fantastic.

 

The HWF works very well on 80m at 60ft high and above. RDF makes a huge 
difference on RX signal to noise ratio. 

 

My measurements over the last 10 year indicate for each one db increase on RDF 
the signal to noise ration increases two db.

 

On 160m RX there are two very different propagation path, one horizontal and 
another vertical. But for TX. If it is V or H does not matter, what only matter 
is the irradiated power efficiency to get the wave refracted by the ionosphere. 

 

 

73’s

N4IS

JC

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