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Subject: [TowerTalk] RE: Laying out antennas
From: ve7hcb@rac.ca (Chris BONDE)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:28:21 -0800
May I send again?
The method described appears to be to construct a right angle from the 
right angled iscocelies triangle, ie, two side and two angle the same in a 
right angle triangle.  The difficult part maybe contructing the right 
angle.  The formula is h**2 = a**2 + b**2 or in this specific case,  h**2 = 
2*s**2, that is, the hypontenuse squared is equal to 2 times the side 
squared, eg 2 squared = 2 * 1**2, so the two sides would be 1 unit and the 
hypontensue would be 1.14142 units.  Multiply the units by anything that is 
OK for the space you have available.  The longer, the better but again the 
rule of diminishing returns, Rich gives an example using 200ft.
================================
Triangulation,  mmm  some basic formulae.

To obtain a right angle use a triangle with sides of 3, 4, & 5 units.  Can 
even be made of rope with flags at each of the measurements, and the rope 
tied as a circle, pull out at each measurement to for a right angle 
triangle.  h**2 = a**2 + b**2  or the hypontenuse squared is equal to the 
sum of the base squared and the altitude squared.

60 degrees is formed by having all sides of the triangle equal or one unit 
each.  45 by forming the right angle then making a second triangle with 
both the a and b sides equal in length.

I have seen these basics used to plot and layout some fairly good plots.

Chris opr VE7HCB

At 09:46 AM 2001-11-22 -0800, Richard Karlquist wrote:

>Some people have asked about my two tape
>measure technique for laying out antennas.
>Perhaps it would be useful if I posted a tutorial
>to the reflector with the details.
>
>Measure out 200 feet along the center of the
>road using a tape measure and mark the ends
>of this line.  Now you have a N-S line 200
>feet long (of course your road may be at a
>different angle!).  Now take TWO tape measures
>(you must have two of them) and fasten the
>end of tape measure #1 to the north end
>of the 200 foot baseline and fasten the end
>of tape measure #2 to the south end of the 200
>foot baseline.  Extend tape measure #1 to 200
>feet walking straight west.  Extend tape measure
>#2 to 282.8 feet walking toward the west end
>of tape measure #1.  Now fine tune the angles
>of the two tape measures until the ends meet.
>Mark this point as 200 feet west of the north
>end of the baseline.  You now have 3 of the
>4 corners of a 200 foot square.  You can locate
>the SW corner by measuring off 200 feet from the
>NW and SE corners by using the two tape measures
>to simultaneously measure 200 feet between the SW
>and NW corner and the SW and SW corner.  You
>now have a 200 foot square.  Any side of this
>square can be used as a baseline to make an adjacent
>square using the same technique.
>
>An arbitrary location in a square can be located by
>using the pythagorean formula to find its distance
>from two square corners.  The tape measures are then
>used to simultaneously establish these distances, and
>where the tape measures intersect, you mark the new
>point.  For example, the center of the square is 141.4
>feet from any corner.
>
>The "breakthrough" part of this technique, as it were,
>is the simultaneous use of TWO tape measures.  BTW,
>you can get a good deal on tape measures from Harbor
>Freight.  (www.harborfreight.com).
>
>Note:  282.8 feet is 200 times the square root of 2,
>in case you were wondering where that number came from
>(Pythagorean formula).
>
>If your road is at an oddball angle, you can still
>use this triangulation method, but you're going to
>have to do a little trig to figure out the sides of
>the first triangle you're going to layout.  Can't get
>into that kind of detail here.
>
>Rick Karlquist
>N6RK
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Godwin [mailto:kb5iua@tgn.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:22 PM
> > To: richard@karlquist.com
> > Subject: Re:Laying out antennas
> >
> >
> > Hello Richard
> >
> > I am a bit confused. Please help me out.
> >
> > "What I did on my 20 acres was to use two
> > 300 foot tape measures to form triangles."
> >
> >    How long are all three legs of the triangle?
> >
> > "I started with a base line down the center
> > of the road (which runs within a degree of
> > N-S) and then triangulated to a 300 foot
> > line that was 200 feet inside my property."
> >
> >   What do you mean by a '300 foot line'?
> >
> > "From this line, other lines can be formed
> > by further triangulation establishing a
> > grid of known points every 200 feet.  Any
> > subsequent point can then be plotted out
> > by triangulation from the nearest 200 foot
> > grid points."
> >
> >
>
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