Yes Ed Fluidmotions did have a full size 4 el on display.Very impresive I might
add as well.I was also informed they are planning to offer a 40 - 15 meter
model next year.
Dave, AE8U
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> 1. Re: HELP!!!!
> 2. RE: Gap and EH Antennas (David Robbins K1TTT)
> 3. 4el SteppIR at Dayton? (Ed Kucharski)
> 4. J bolts for TX455 (VeeAthreePL)
> 5. Re: HELP!!!! (Jim Lux)
> 6. EH Antennas and Dr. Demento, Gap 75/80?
> 7. Another Question???? (Joe Palmer)
> 8. Re: Another Question???? (Tom Anderson)
> 9. Re: Another Question????
> 10. Re: Another Question????
> 11. 80/75 M Antennas (James R. Duffey)
> 12. Re: Another Question???? (hasan schiers)
> 13. Re: Another Question????
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To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:00:41 EDT
> From: K7LXC@aol.com
> To: jimlux@earthlink.net, towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HELP!!!!
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> In a message dated 5/17/03 4:30:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jimlux@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > Contest folk might choose antennas for many reasons other than RF
> > performance: durability, good performance in a stack, cost.
>
> Nope. "Performance Uber Alles".
>
> Cheers,
> Steve K7LXC
> TOWER TECH
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:09:08 -0000
> From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Gap and EH Antennas
> Message-ID: <006001c31d57$d0592810$0800a8c0@k1ttt1>
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> >
> > If, as I suspect, the "EH" antenna of which you speak is the infamous
> > crossed-field antenna, or "CFA", be warned that at best it's a big
> > mistake, and at worst it's a hoax. The feedline to a CFA does most
> > of the radiating, not the putative antenna. IMO, some CFA proponents
> > are out-and-out crooks, but most are innocently mistaken.
>
> The cfa and eh are different, but your description applies to both.
>
> David Robbins K1TTT
> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:23:02 -0400
> From: Ed Kucharski <k3dne@adelphia.net>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>, SteppIR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] 4el SteppIR at Dayton?
> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030518121715.00b30730@pop.dc2.adelphia.net>
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> I didn't get to go to Dayton this year...I was wondering if the FluidMotion
> folks had the new 4 element SteppIR antenna on display and if so, what did
> y'all think?
> 73,
> Ed K3DNE
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:21:49 -0400
> From: "VeeAthreePL" <va3pl@cuic.ca>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] J bolts for TX455
> Message-ID: <000001c31d61$f804c040$b702a8c0@ABS>
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> Anybody knows what the proper diameter is and length of the foundation
> bolts (J bolts) for TX455 crank up tower? Length of J section would also
> help but I think it is not important as much as lengths.
>
> 73 de Andy va3pl@rac.ca
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:41:20 -0700
> From: "Jim Lux" <jimlux@earthlink.net>
> To: <K7LXC@aol.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HELP!!!!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC@aol.com>
> To: <jimlux@earthlink.net>; <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HELP!!!!
>
> > In a message dated 5/17/03 4:30:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > jimlux@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > Contest folk might choose antennas for many reasons other than RF
> > > performance: durability, good performance in a stack, cost.
> >
> > Nope. "Performance Uber Alles".
>
> But what is "performance"?
>
> Consistent gain and pattern regardless of orientation?
> F/B ratio
> F/Sidelobes ratio
> Forward gain
> Forward directivity
> Broadband feed point impedance so losses in Tx line are minimized
> Lack of sensitivity to environment (i.e. the other single band Yagis in the
> stack)
> Reliability (so you don't have to climb the tower in the middle of the
> contest?)
>
> My point was that "performance" can cover a lot of ground, and even for
> contestors, there's a lot of dispute about exactly what constitutes "best"
> (otherwise they'd all go out and buy the same antenna, no?).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Steve K7LXC
> > TOWER TECH
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any
> questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:51:47 -0400
> From: Dinsterdog@aol.com
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] EH Antennas and Dr. Demento, Gap 75/80?
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> 1. Well the EH websites sure looked neat! I would comment that according to
> many who helped me a few years ago with an Isotron for 160M, most claimed my
> amazing radiation into places like Utah and Arizona from my Denver QTH were
> mostly off the coax feeding the antenna too- But it did work 11 states and XE
> and VE.................the design has since been changed-
>
> 2. Didn't mean to insult anyone by mixing the Gap with EH antennas, its just
> one website lead to another etc..........type in assymetrical half wave
> dipole antenna in your web browser and look what comes up-
>
> 3-5. The issue here is running an effective 80 meter DX antenna (one with a
> low angle), without the need for guys (under 25 or so feet) , without the
> need for radials (thus, a half wave design) , and without a high Q (no
> Isotrons), so as to work/hear real juicy DX into far away zones and exotic
> islands etc....from my puny yard in Denver at sunrise or EU's sunrise-
>
> 6. Many have brought up loop antennas for the receive antenna and keep a
> vertical that can take the power, be it a multiband like a Butternut or
> Hygain... Nope! The vertical needs radials and besides, thats cat play...I
> worked several JA's with my Hustler 6BTV but only when I could actually hear
> the other station this past winter. Rare on most mornings......
>
> 7. Hearing them was rare over the noise, thus, a need for a quieter antenna-
> Thus looking into Gap's claim of a quieter design etc.....I have the Titan,
> it's a lot quieter, and here we are! Har!
>
> 8. Loop receive antenna......Not a bad idea except all the 756 series have a
> tendency to have their surface board mounted fuses blow up if anything is
> hooked up to their external antenna receive jack. And they do not have A/B
> antenna switching like the old Kenwood 940's etc whereas you transmit on A
> and listen on B or visaversa....this circuit never fried but try finding a
> nice 940- .........so I am stuck with just one antenna port for rx and tx
> using my 756 Pro. I guess I could manually push the A/B 756 switch but blah
> on that-
>
> 9. I know, go out and buy a 940 or send in your 756 Pro fer the 33rd time to
> get the circuit board fuse fixed- Gasp! No way-
>
> 10. With it's design, I really think Gap's Titan, or a 1/2 wave 80M
> prototype, fits the bill. It's onto something- Could it be the new Gap 75/80M
> 1/2 wave blaster!!! I know, MFJ makes one sort of like this already...the
> 1792 for 40/80M which is top loaded BUT needs radials and guys-...But I need
> a center fed 1/2 wave dipole design, with no radials, for just 75/80M and
> I'll be happy!
>
> 11. Yes, I have heard of the Sigma 80, saw one too.....I have no room for the
> guys needed to keep that puppy up- wish I did- I'm just a 80M junkie who
> can't give up his glory days using a home made 4SQR- medication is the next
> step-
>
> 73 Paul N0AH
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:35:32 -0400
> From: Joe Palmer <mayhill8@iapdatacom.net>
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
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>
> Tnx for all the replies on my Sommer antenna question......Most
> helpful.....
>
> Second choice, was Tennadyne LP Model T6 or T8.....
>
> Comments please.
>
> Agn, tnx es 73.
>
> Joe
> KS8M
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:19:05 -0500
> From: Tom Anderson <ww5l@gte.net>
> To: mayhill8@iapdatacom.net
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
> Cc: Charles Brainard <tennadyn@satx.net>
> Cc: frosty <frosty1@pdq.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
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>
> Joe:
>
> I have several friends who have both models and have nothing but good
> things to say about them. Bill, W5SJ/VP2EJ used on on his
> mini-dxpedition to VP2 land and had wonderful results. Bill said the
> T-8 he used at VP2 survived a hurricane last year with only minor
> damage. Bill is president of the Lone Star DX Association.
>
> Chuck Brainard at Tennadyne <tennadyn@satx.net> can answer any question
> you have. Also, Charles Frost, VP of the Texas DX Society, has a T-8 at
> his Houston area QTH and has high praise for it.
>
> Six of us are taking a Tennadyne T-6 on our 7P8 Dxpedition July 18-25.
>
> Tom, WW5L
> VP Lone Star DX Association
>
> Joe Palmer wrote:
> >
> > Tnx for all the replies on my Sommer antenna question......Most
> > helpful.....
> >
> > Second choice, was Tennadyne LP Model T6 or T8.....
> >
> > Comments please.
> >
> > Agn, tnx es 73.
> >
> > Joe
> > KS8M
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> > Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any
> > questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:01:41 -0400
> From: Barockteer@aol.com
> To: mayhill8@iapdatacom.net, towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
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> In a message dated 5/18/2003 2:35:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mayhill8@iapdatacom.net writes:
>
> > Second choice, was Tennadyne LP Model T6 or T8.....
>
> I vote for the STeppir 3 element. Much less mehcanical complexity, perfect
> gain and f/b on any freq you want.
>
> Never owned one, but would buy one in a heartbeat if my KT-36XA fell down.
> Never owned a tennadyne, but spent lots of time up my friend's tower fixing
> one, if you get my drift...
>
> -Tony, K1KP
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:49:48 EDT
> From: Dinsterdog@aol.com
> To: Barockteer@aol.com, mayhill8@iapdatacom.net, towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
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> What could break on a T6???? Used them for years- Outside EXTREME ice damage,
> the two I had stacked were awesome-
>
> Paul N0AH
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:00:08 -0600
> From: "James R. Duffey" <JamesDuffey@comcast.net>
> To: Dinsterdog@aol.com
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] 80/75 M Antennas
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>
> Paul - I am sure that you have something twisted about;
>
> "I'm still searching for an effective 80 meter DX antenna that can offer the
> lowest signal to noise ratio..."
>
> You want a high signal to noise ratio, don't you? Most of us.
>
> You might consider separate receiving and transmitting antennas. Say a loop
> for receiving and a base or center loaded vertical for transmitting. The
> loop can be rotated to get maximum signal or to null out local noise
> sources. The base or center loaded vertical will have better efficiency,
> depending on the height of course. You might look at something like the
> Battle Creek Special. - Dr. Megacycle KK6MC/5
> ______________________
> James R. Duffey KK6MC/5
> Cedar Crest NM 87009 DM65
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:21:51 -0500
> From: "hasan schiers" <schiers@netins.net>
> To: <mayhill8@iapdatacom.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
> Message-ID: <03c301c31d94$43628040$6701a8c0@netins.net>
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>
> I had a T-10 up at the previous qth. Loved it.
>
> It maintained no less than a 17 dB f/b over it's entire 13-30 mhz range. I
> took many measurements with a step attenuator and couldn't find anything
> worse than 17 dB and above 20 was common.
>
> I put a T-6 up at this one. Love it.
>
> f/b isn't as good as the T-10, but still acceptable.
>
> Ruggedly built. Priced fairly, light, low wind load, works as advertized,
> and easy to assemble.
>
> I haven't used a tri-bander in nearly 10 years as a result of the superb
> performance of these Tennadyne Log Periodics. I have no illusions about
> gain, nor do I care.
>
> I have yet to find anyone that I want to work, that I don't get answers
> from. I was at 72' with the T-10 and I'm at about 52' with the T-6. If I
> call them, they answer, usually in the first call, sometimes 2nd or 3rd.
> Very rarely do I have to "work at it". That shows the antenna is not
> junk...it also shows that I call when propagation is favoring me and I
> probably have a sense of good timing.
>
> I also like not having to worry about the antenna during storms. It is such
> a low profile and so well built that I no longer think about it. Won't tear
> up rotors, bend masts, etc. It's gain is, of course, less than a monobander.
> Its f/b is better than a monobander across a wide freq range. On a narrow
> freq range the monobander is better...it just can't maintain its performance
> across 20m without giving up a lot of its gain...plus that's just one band.
>
> I wish the T-6 had 6m on it.
>
> The guy running the company is very responsive.
>
> They have held up very well in bad ice storms with high winds. Iowa can be a
> nasty winter climate, not to mention severe T-Boomers in the spring and
> summer.
>
> To anyone but a worshipper of the holy grail of forward gain on HF, I would
> highly recommend the Tennadyne LPs. On vhf and above, esp 2m and above,
> yagis and dishes are the only way to go.
>
> Hope this helps ya. 73
>
> ...hasan, N0AN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Palmer" <mayhill8@iapdatacom.net>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 2:35 PM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
>
> > Tnx for all the replies on my Sommer antenna question......Most
> > helpful.....
> >
> > Second choice, was Tennadyne LP Model T6 or T8.....
> >
> > Comments please.
> >
> > Agn, tnx es 73.
> >
> > Joe
> > KS8M
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
> Weather Stations", and lot's more. Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any
> questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TowerTalk mailing list
> > TowerTalk@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:55:51 -0400
> From: Barockteer@aol.com
> To: Dinsterdog@aol.com, mayhill8@iapdatacom.net, towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Another Question????
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>
> I had questions about breakage on the Tennadyne logs. First time around, ice
> buildup caused one of the longest elements to literally tear a big hunk out
> of the boom. We took the back part of the antenna down, and rebuilt it with a
> thicker wall piece.
>
> Sure enough, another ice storm happened the following winter. This time,
> the longest elements just bent downward at about 90 degrees.
>
> Same weather, no problems with the XA (which is a surprise, with the traps).
>
> I thought the construction was skimpy. And the customer service was lacking
> too - no support, no call backs, ripoff prices for parts when he finally did
> get a callback.
>
> I just think the Steppir spells the end of logs, unless you're into frequency
> hopping HF spread spectrum...
>
> -Tony, K1KP
> ------------------------------
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