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Re: [TowerTalk] Bazooka 1/4 wave balun

To: "Jerry K3BZ" <k3bz@arrl.net>, "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>,"(Reflector) TowerTalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Bazooka 1/4 wave balun
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:05:33 -0700
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At 08:51 AM 7/6/2005, Jerry K3BZ wrote:
>Tom...read your website, thanks. I'm looking for a good balun at 6M.  I
>suppose a 1/4 wave length of braid from an old section of large-diameter
>coax could be slid onto 50 ohm coax feedline, but you suggest a greater
>spacing than that provided by the coax jacket thickness alone. Couple
>questions:
>
>  To provide a larger distance from coax braid to sleeve, would a length of
>PVC pipe slid over the coax be a suitable material?  With, say, a 1.5" or 2"
>OD? If not, can you suggest something?
>
>Velocity factors for standard coax are available, but how would one
>calculate the VF for the sleeve if it's on a 2" OD PVC pipe?
>
>73, Jerry K3BZ

Velocity factor for pretty much any transmission line (including a single 
wire) immersed in a dielectric is 1/sqrt(epsilon).

Something with a polyethylene dielectric (epsilon around 2.2 to 2.4) will 
have a velocity factor of 0.67 to 0.65.  Teflon has an epsilon of around 2 
(although various dielectric loaded versions can have much higher 
epsilons), for a velocity factor of .70-.71.

(if you ignore the resistive part, and just assume soil with an epsilon of 
13, then the velocity factor in a buried wire (i.e. a deep radial) is about 
0.28.

   If the dielectric isn't homogeneous, then it gets a bit more complex 
(hah... really complex is more like it), but for things like foam, where 
the "grain size" is very much smaller than the spacing or wavelength, you 
can use the "average".  Foamed dielectrics have an epsilon much less than 
the dielectric itself, because you're really looking at a mixture of air 
(or nitrogen) and the plastic.  Say it's a mixture of air and PE, then the 
epsilon will be around 1.4 so the velocity factor might be 0.85.


If the dielectric is layered, etc., then the analysis gets a bit more 
tricky, and well beyond the scope of this.

SO, Looking at one of my tables, it gives the epsilon for PVC as being 
4.  If you build a coaxial line with PVC as the dielectric, the velocity 
factor will be 0.50.  But this assumes that it's a "snug fit".. no air 
gaps, because if there are, the analysis gets a bit more complex.

Be aware that many plastic pipes, particularly in larger sizes, are not of 
uniform internal construction.  The outer part may be nice white PVC, but 
the core might be grungier, and contain carbon black residue from 
recycling.  Other large diameter PVC pipe (particularly for low pressure 
applications, e.g. sewer or drain lines) has a foamed core, between inner 
and outer skins.  Even if you look at a cut end, it's hard to tell whether 
you've got one of these varieties.

The internal contaminants can make the pipe much more lossy, even though it 
looks the same.  The foamed core can make for a very odd and inconsistent 
dielectric properties, both from RF propagation and from breakdown standpoints.

Some normal looking plastic also has fillers added to it for various 
reasons (mass, color, thermal properties, strength, manufacturing 
processes, cost).  There might be a whole raft of fillers with the same 
properties as far as the pipe maker is concerned, but with radically 
different RF properties. Black colorants are a good example. Both synthetic 
dyes and carbon black are used. The first has almost no RF effect, the 
second makes a fine dummy load.

Folks building HV equipment, for which plastic pipe is very attractive as a 
structural material (cheap, good insulator-normally, etc.) run into this 
all the time

This variability might account for the variety of accounts of using PVC 
pipe for RF, ranging from "it works great" to  "it's horribly lossy and it 
melted".

It's water pipe after all, not a precision RF properties controlled extrusion.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>
>To: "Jerry K3BZ" <k3bz@arrl.net>; "(Reflector) TowerTalk"
><towertalk@contesting.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:23 AM
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Bazooka 1/4 wave balun
>
>
> >
> > > What is a "bazooka 1/4-wave balun" ?
> > > An article I'm reading makes reference to using a
> > "balun... or even better, a bazooka 1/4-wave balun" at the
> > feedpoint of a quad element, using a 50-ohm coax feedline.
> > > Is this a 1:1 balun?
> > > Is a "bazooka balun" better than a balun? If so, why? and
> > where can I get info on building one?
> >
> >
> > http://www.w8ji.com/Baluns/sleeve_baluns.htm
> >
> >
>
>
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