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Re: [TowerTalk] Question on Multiple Inverted L Antennas

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Question on Multiple Inverted L Antennas
From: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:09:42 -0500
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..."Here we go again... so which is it? Inverted L's have plenty of 
bandwidth or Inverted L's little bandwidth??? "...

The traditional L with a good ground doesn't have much bandwidth. But 
WA3AFS doesn't have a traditional L. Unfortunately, from his description 
I could not decipher exactly what his antenna looks like. It is possible 
when using coax as an antenna element, and playing games with shorts at 
the right places, to produce something with double resonances, which may 
be what he has. NEC based tools can't analyze antennas such as this, so 
experimental data may be all the data you can get.

A better description of this antenna might be useful to some of us.

Jerry, K4SAV

Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:

>Gentlemen...
>
>Here we go again... so which is it? Inverted L's have plenty of bandwidth or 
>Inverted L's little bandwidth???
>
>First, let me say if you are not taking your measurements AT THE FEEDPOINT, 
>you are not seeing the true story. Second, a large bandwidth is not 
>necessarily a good thing. The longer and more lossy your transmission line, 
>the better your antenna is going to look from the shack.
>
>Here's an example of what I'm talking about... I have a low 160m inverted vee 
>which I plotted VSWR graphs at the feedpoint and again at the end of 230 feet 
>of rg8x coax. I made absolutely no antenna changes between these two 
>measurements. I posted the superimposed VSWR and RETURN LOSS curves on my 
>website, here: http://tinyurl.com/oh87y  The two PDF files are 72-KB each and 
>can be downloaded and viewed using Adobe Acrobat Reader.
>
>In this specific example, measuring at the end of the coax leads you to 
>believe you have 35% better bandwidth than in reality.
>
>73 de Bob - K0RC
>
>
>
>  
>
>>On 13 Jul 2006 13:20 WA3AFS wrote:
>>
>>Please be aware that the bandwidth for a coaxial inverted L is very 
>>broad.  My SWR at 1.800 is 1.3 and slowly rises to 1.7 at 2.000Mhz.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>But then on 13 Jul 2006 at 13:11, K4SAV wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>The biggest problem you have with low band multiple L antennas is 
>>>matching and bandwidth. To start with, a 160 meter L will not have a lot 
>>>of bandwidth...
>>>      
>>>
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