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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 26
From: WarrenWolff@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:09:46 EST
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Well, I am a hick when it comes to this, but I do not think  there is much 
current at the trap
point, hence minimal I^2R losses or changes there.  Why  not find a different 
C?
 
Warren; W7WY
 
 
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1. Re:  Topband: Topband Puzzle (Don Moman  VE6JY)


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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:08:48 +0000
From: "Don Moman VE6JY"  <ve6jy.1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Topband: Topband  Puzzle
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You don't say if the SWR of this antenna  changes when this happens. I
wouldn't look towards the antenna as the only  cause - some amps have
coupling caps that can't take the current on lower  frequencies and drift in
a manner much like you've described.

73  Don
VE6JY

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Tod -ID  <tod@k0to.us> wrote:

> In the ARRL 160 meter Contest this year  I used an antenna that I have
> experimented with off and on during  2008. It has a vertical element 57 feet
> high insulated from ground.  The feed point is at the base of this vertical
> element. At the 57 foot  point a 55 foot horizontal wire is extended as a
> 'top hat'. Very much  like an inverted L you might say.
>
> I added an 80 meter trap in  the horizontal wire -- at a point 22 feet from
> the connection to the  vertical element. The trap is made from a 30 uH coil
> and a 60 pF  capacitor in parallel. This combination provides excellent
> matching  for the 3500-3660 kHz part of the band and good matching for the
> 1815  to 1845 or so.
>
> I found an interesting effect when I used the  system with high power [1.0
> to
> 1.5 kW]. After a very active  operating period [lots of answers to CQ's] the
> power output from the  amp began to drop. Eventually, the power dropped to
> about 500 watts.  At the 500 watt level there was some noticeable mismatch
> which I  presume caused the setting of the plate tuning circuit to be
> incorrect  and as a result the power output dropped. If I paused a bit the
> power  level when I resumed was close to the initial power.
>
>
>  After fighting this on Friday night I removed the 80 meter trap and
>  replaced
> it with a large AirDux coil with the same inductance. I  figured that maybe
> the capacitor in the trap [it was not mica or  vacuum or air dielectric] was
> experiencing dielectric heating and that  might affect the input impedance
> of
> the  antenna.
>
> Saturday night I saw the same effect as I did on  Friday night. At this
> point
> I am speculating that the coil is  heating sufficiently to cause changes.
> The
> coils are about 3  inches long, 2 inches in diameter and use bare #15 wire.
> The trap coil  is wound on an epoxy type grooved form. The AirDux coil is
> essentially  air wound with small spacers.
>
> Anyone else have a similar  problem historically? Anyone feel they know with
> certainty that a  resistance change in a coil will cause this problem? Is
> there a chance  that the inter-turn capacitance is changing significantly
> and
>  detuning the coil?  Any other ideas that might help understand and  solve
> this?
>
> Clearly I can discard the trap and do the  matching at the base, but I would
> rather use the trap because of the  simplicity.
>
> The "good" news is that the temperature is  dropping and by the Stew Perry I
> can expect -10 C which should give  longer CQ runs before the power drops.
> There is no similar problem on  80 meters.
>
> Tod, K0TO
>
>
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