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Re: [TowerTalk] Ground mounting vs roof mounting verticals

To: "'AD5VJ Bob'" <rtnmi@sbcglobal.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ground mounting vs roof mounting verticals
From: "Wes Attaway \(N5WA\)" <wesattaway@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:54:50 -0500
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In the true spirit of hamming, just put it up and try it.  The tower/beam
might work OK.  But, it might not.  I once had an R-5 up like that and it
worked great.  

I think you will get a lot of differing opinions but at the end of the day
you will only satisfy your curiosity by trying it.


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-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of AD5VJ Bob
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:49 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ground mounting vs roof mounting verticals

Interesting, 

I was just thinking of taking my Butternut vertical off the ground and
mounting it to the top of my mast above my Hornet Tribander
at around 35 feet.

So far it sounds like it might just be worth it.

My question would be how would I attach radials to the base of the vertical
like that when my rotor is turning the mast? 

Would the tower be ground enough by itself to make the other half of the
vertical or could it work off of the tribander for its
ground and not use wire radials??

Bob AD5VJ 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com 
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve Katz
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:48 PM
> To: Jon; ve3zi@rac.ca; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ground mounting vs roof mounting verticals
> 
> My experience is closer to W4ZWs.  My 6BTV at 28' with 24 
> radials is comparable to my inverted vees at 55 feet, and 
> typically 6 dB down from my beams on 15 & 20 meters at 60'.  
> Moving it to the ground with 105 radials isn't anywhere near as good.
>  
> WB2WIK/6
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com on behalf of Jon
> Sent: Mon 10/19/2009 6:47 PM
> To: ve3zi@rac.ca; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ground mounting vs roof mounting verticals
> 
> 
> 
> My mileage did indeed vary.
> 
> I had an old 14AVQ mounted as a ground-plane up about 35' and 
> it was a killer DX antenna, not as good as my TH-6DXX at 75' 
> but very good as a second antenna.  I later mounted it on the 
> ground and it lost a lot compared to the TH-6DXX.
> 
> As a GP on 40M it was a great antenna for DX work.  On the 
> ground, it was less than a dipole at 50'.
> 
> As you said YMMV
> 
> 
> 
> Jon Hamlet, W4ZW
> 
> Casey Key Island, Florida
> "A little piece of paradise in the Gulf of Mexico"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message-----
> > From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com]
> > On Behalf Of Roger Parsons
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:46 PM
> > To: towertalk@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ground mounting vs roof mounting verticals
> >
> > I have an old AV3 10-15-20m vertical. I used to have it on 
> top of a 20'
> pole with 4 radials
> > for each band. Compared to my A4S it was so bad as to be useless -
> although the match
> > was good on every band.
> >
> > I moved it to ground level with a lot of radials. It is now 
> about 6dB
> worse than the beam
> > which makes it a useful second antenna.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > 73 Roger
> > VE3ZI
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> >
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