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Subject: [TowerTalk] Fw: 6061-T8... new alloy
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:38:36 -0700
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From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:22 AM
To: "Charlie Gallo" <Charlie@TheGallos.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 6061-T8... new alloy

> ##  I have been to the same site u just pointed out  for other stuff.. and 
> they have a lot of error's  on there.     The big 3 that make al are 
> reynolds /alcoa /columbia.  And reynolds list  6061 T6  at  40 ksi.   All 
> other maker's  list 6061 T-6  at 35 ksi .           All 3 of em list 
> 6061- T8 at 45 ksi yield.
>
> ##  I used to work in northern bc.. in kitimat.. which has a huge al 
> smelter, owned by Alcan.. [ which also owns 14 x more in VE2 land] .  A 
> ham buddy,  VE7DP was a chemical eng there for many years.  T-8 is a full 
> 10 ksi stronger than T-6....end of story.  [yield strength]     When T-6 
> is actually tested in the lab it's consistently 40 ksi  yield.    That's 
> the number that gets plugged into the various spreadsheets  when doing 
> ant  mech modelling [ like YS 2.15 etc. ]   It's usually section modulus 
> X   yield strength = bending moment. .
>
> u are correct though.... both are the SAME alloy... it's just the temper. 
> t-6 is already up there.. and perhaps  t-8 is borderline brittle.    I'd 
> like to know what the diff is between em.... fatigue wise ??
> I like the .120" wall  idea... slick.    Then they just slide together. .. 
> and  just a .005"  gap all the way around.     with .058" el tubing... 
> it's a .0045" gap all the way around... so neither are a sloppy fit. 
> For boom material, you couldn't ask for anything better... no more 
> machining couplers,,, nor turning down the last 6" in a lathe etc.   Plus 
> it's 10 ksi stronger.....good, cuz it's also  .005" thinner too.
>
> Jim   VE7RF
>
>
>
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> From: "Charlie Gallo" <Charlie@TheGallos.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:27 PM
> To: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
> Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 6061-T8... new alloy
>
>>
>> On 7/9/2010 Jim Thomson wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed on DX eng's site that they sell boom material, made from 
>>> 6061-T8.
>>
>>> Now this T8 version I had not heard of.   It's a full 10 ksi stonger 
>>> [in yield strength]
>>> VS  6061-T6.  That equates to 28.6%  stronger..which is nothing to 
>>> sneeze at.
>>
>> Huh?  Does not compute, as they are both the same alloy, just different 
>> tempers
>>
>> The ASM pages for both show the same yield and ultimate strengths, but 
>> different hardnesses
>>
>> http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA6061T8
>>
>> http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA6061t6
>>
>> Obviously, with the fact it has the same strength, but different 
>> hardnesses, things like elongation at break are different
>> -- 
>> 73 de KG2V - Charles Gallo
>> Quality Custom Machine-shop work for the radio amateur (sm)
>>
>> 

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