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Re: [TowerTalk] Cost effectivel Tower height

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cost effectivel Tower height
From: "larryjspammenot@teleport.com" <larryj@teleport.com>
Reply-to: "larryjspammenot@teleport.com" <larryj@teleport.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:57:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
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I looked over on Amazon.com for the latest ARRL Antenna Book, so I can get a 
copy of HFTA to run the numbers for my QTH. They usually have much better 
prices than the ARRL site. I recently ordered their Tower Book, since the ham 
stores were out of stock at all locations when I checked, and picked it up from 
Amazon at a very reduced price with free shipping.

But looking for the antenna book, I see that they have a copy of it for 
$999.99, plus shipping! 

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ARRL+Antenna+Book

I wonder how many copies they've sold? Maybe to unsuspecting XYLs getting 
Christmas gifts for the OM......

LJ





-----Original Message-----
>From: Andreas Hofmann <Andreas.Hofmann@microsoft.com>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2011 11:13 PM
>To: "[TowerTalk]" <towertalk@contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cost effectivel Tower height
>
>Hi
>I want to thank everyone on this alias to suggest running HFTA.  I spent and 
>couple of hours tonight and now realized  that this was a very valuable 
>exercise. Since I promised to report back some findings here it is:
>
>I got a couple of directions with slopes. My slope to Europe especially is a 
>very even 300 feet drop off over the first 2500 feet.  This seems to be 
>working extremely well. To Europe as an example, I can get up to a 11 dbi gain 
>at 4 degrees elevation angle on 40 with 2 el. Yagi at 55 feet.  On flat ground 
>that same antenna at that height would perform 15 dbi lower (-4).  
>If I switch to a 3 el yagi at 55 feet on 20 m, I seem to even max out at 16 
>dbi at 3 degrees elevation. Almost too good to be true.   
>
>
>Summary:
>Unless I am doing something wrong with HFTA, in my case there is no need at 
>all to go above 55 feet (size of a small tubular crank up mast).  Remember my 
>goals from below, no huge expenditure and good DX setup 40 and up.
>
>Thanks
>Andreas
>KU7T
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com 
>[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Hofmann
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM
>To: Joe Subich, W4TV; Drax Felton; [TowerTalk]
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cost effectivel Tower height
>
>I have received an overwhelming response to my questions.  I should have 
>mentioned a few more points/requirements:
>
>- single multiband beam 40 - 10. No stacks. I am running verticals and wires 
>hanging in trees and can hear ok, but are not being heard well on 40 for 
>example.   I want at least a few S units improvement and F/B would be great as 
>well.
>- I like DX and DX contesting, but casually.    Focus on Europe.
>- self supporting, no guy wires
>- low profile to appease to wife and neighbors
>- cheap. This is a hobby for me and I am not retired (:-)
>- account for the sloping terrain, so if it can be lower because of it, yes, 
>yes, hence cheaper.
>
>I understand that any multi-band beam is a compromise.
>I understand that any beam might not work to its maximum into all DX 
>directions (different angles needed).
>
>At this point, I want to thank all of you for your input. I will run the 
>suggested software and report back with my findings.
>
>Thanks
>Andreas
>KU7T
>
>
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