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Re: [TowerTalk] Wireless Internet RFI

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wireless Internet RFI
From: "Patrick Greenlee" <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:30:49 -0500
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Wire a temporary lashup to let you easily and quickly temporarily run your receiver on battery power and then back to power supply (assuming 12 volt supply)

If the noise is from the power supply it will be obvious by its absence when you switch over to battery and turn the PS off. While running the receiver on battery power throw the main breaker in your breaker panel to the OFF position. If any of the RFI goes away it is something in your house and going through the breakers one at a time with the main breaker on (killing one breaker at a time) you may be able to isolate which circuit is powering the offending RFI device.

On receive only most rigs use just a few amps at most so running the rig for the time required to do some trouble shooting doesn't require a monster battery. A battery out of a lawn mower or similar should do the trick. If you have one of the handy dandy "jump start" thingies that will do nicely (this is the battery in a plastic carry enclosure NOT the start position of a HD battery charger.)

If the offending signal(s) arenbt killed by turning off your main breaker and temporarily disconnecting your phone line before it goes in the house then you need to do some DF work to determine the source. A small loop antenna on a small battery operated gen coverage RCVR will help locate the source. If you determine by aligning the null off the loop a line of position then move at right angles to that line until you get a hefty change of bearing in the null. This establishes a second line of position. Where the two lines cross is where the source is. As you approach the source you need to redo the two lines of position to get a more accurate determination.

Patrick AF5CK

-----Original Message----- From: Earl Morse
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:36 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Cc: cqkg8co@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wireless Internet RFI

Brian,

Selecting the right bead is only the small part of the problem. The more important part is knowing where to put the bead.

You didn't describe the noise other than that it is occuring at lower frequencies. From this, my first assumption is that you are dealing with switch mode power supply harmonics. They will sound kind of broadband and occur ever 50-200 kHz or so. Anyway thats a good place to start.

As for the ferrite, the most common ferrite out there is some flavor of Fair-Rite Type 43 with a permeability of 800-850. It is used by electronics manufacturers for wideband noise suppression especially in the 20-200 MHz range. It is the core you will find molded into or snapped onto common electronics cables. It is also the most common core rolling around in the junk boxes at hamfests. Though it is optimized for a higher frequency range it will work at lower frequencies. Find the biggest one you can and then put as many turns of cable on it as you can fit. When you find some improvement then you can either add more turns, another core, or change to a different material to optimize the results.

Good luck. Remember that consumer electronics are completely cost reduced and many manufacturers will happily delete RFI suppression components because it doesn't affect performance and most users won't notice the increase in RF emissions.

Earl
N8SS
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:07:04 -0400
From: Brian Sarkisian <cqkg8co@gmail.com>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Wireless Internet RFI
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I recently had an internet wireless antenna/unit installed as our DSL was
painfully slow.

Now I notice RFI in the AM broadcast band and into the 160 meter band.
There may more
RFI issues on other bands however at this point I haven't noticed anything.

I see that Fair-Rate makes a series of "New Low Frequency Suppression Cable
Component
ferrites, though I am not sure what I should purchase.

It looks like that I should be looking for a "certain impedance" for a
particular frequency.

Any help would be appreciated.

73 de Brian, KG8CO


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