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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions
From: n9lah@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:19:28 +0000 (UTC)
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I originally ran a T6 from Tennadyne. It was ok on 10/12/15 but I was never 
excited about the performance on 17 and 20. I am no EE but I figured the boom 
length was probably a little short. I run an XR5 now and am very pleased with 
the performance. 

Phil 
N9LAH 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com> 
To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com, towertalk@contesting.com 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:38:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions 

Hi Jim - 

Would you like to add any comments regarding LP's. Granted, only as much 
"gain" as a good two or three element yagi and no killer as far as F/B is 
concerned, but no traps, no "critical" tuning, only one feed line, one boom 
and only one rotator. For that matter the TH-11 uses a small log cell, with 
no traps for the "driven" element(s), and combined with parasitic directors 
and reflectors, with relatively few traps, should be a fairly effective 
antenna, as should be the Tennadyn LP's 

Gene / W2LU 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> 
To: <towertalk@contesting.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower and antenna decisions 


> On 10/23/2013 9:10 PM, Avery Davis wrote: 
>> TH-11DX at 34 feet? 
>> HexBeam at 50 feet? 
> 
> As to gain figures for these antennas -- around 1999-2000, Ward, N0AX, and 
> Steve, K7LXC, set up and measured a dozen or so tribanders on a tower 
> under carefully controlled conditions. A few years later, Tom, N6BT, did 
> similar work. Both found that the CLAIMED gain numbers for all of them 
> (except Tom's Force 12 designs) were wildly inflated, often by as much as 
> 6 dB. Two antennas that Ward and Steve measured actually had NEGATIVE gain 
> as compared to a resonant dipole at the same point. You can buy a report 
> on their work from K7LXC's website. It's $20 well spent. Steve also sells 
> N6BT's "Array of Light," which includes his measurements and lots of 
> excellent discussions of various antenna designs. I think it was $35. 
> 
> One of the points that Tom made in his book (really a somewhat 
> disorganized collection of essays he's published over the years) is that 
> the most efficient antennas are simple monoband Yagis, and that when traps 
> are added to cover multiple bands, the traps burn some of the transmitter 
> power, and the shortened elements reduce radiation resistance (the part of 
> the antenna impedance that accounts for radiated power), which also 
> reduces gain. Thus, the gain of an ideal 2-element or 3-element Yagi is 
> the BEST that can be achieved by an antenna with the same number of 
> elements for that band. The advertised gain figures for the antennas that 
> Ward, Steve, and Tom measured were 3-6 dB greater than for the ideal 
> Yagis! 
> 
> I would look at one of lighter-weight antennas that does not use traps. My 
> 3-element SteppIR (the original with no trombones) works very well, have 
> been essentially trouble-free for the four years it's been up, and is 
> lighter in weight than most other antennas you are probably considering, 
> which makes it easier to install safely. It has the efficiency of an 
> optimized single-band Yagi on all bands, including the WARC bands. With 
> the added fixed 6M element, it's also a very good performer on that band. 
> No, it's not cheap, but given your constraints, it's a very good choice. 
> Even the simple 2-element SteppIR would be a good choice, and can easily 
> be handled by one person. I learned that when I helped N6KJ assemble his 
> for Field Day several years ago. 
> 
> I'd also look at the Force 12 antennas, none of which use traps, and which 
> provide very good bang for the buck. The two that Ward and Steve measured 
> were the best performers in both groups they measured -- small tribanders 
> and larger tribanders. 
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC 
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