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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] from towers to shack
From: <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 03:35:34 -0000
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I wonder why transorbs and gas discharge tubes are not commonly used to 
protect control lines in ham radio installations?  The $135 Polyphaser 
IS-RCT just has eight inexpensive MOVs inside.  I used GDTs on one rotator 
where I got tired of replacing leaky MOVs and it has worked fine for over a 
year and though one direct lightning strike.

John KK9A

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Subject:Re: [TowerTalk] from towers to shack
From:Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date:Mon, 09 Dec 2013 06:58:08 -0800
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On 12/9/13 6:23 AM, john@kk9a.com wrote:

Polyphaser rotator protectors are very expensive.  I would not wait too
long to protect your system. You can purchase MOVs for very little cost.



I would suggest using TranZorb type devices (basically back to back zeners) 
as clamps rather than MOVs, or even better, some sort of 4 layer device like 
a Diac.
http://www.vishay.com/diodes/protection-tvs-esd/trans-zorb/

Mouser has them in a variety of voltages and ratings.. about $1-2 each


MOVs die a little each time they take a hit, with the leakage current 
increasing. Their only big advantage is that in large quantities they are 
very cheap and a loose tolerance part to manufacture, so consumer plug 
strips which need to sell for a few bucks can afford them. They're cheap to 
make physically large, too, which helps with the energy dissipation.


A clamp works the same every time. The disadvantage of a Zener type clamp is 
that the voltage drop is constant, so if there's significant current, the 
power dissipation can be high. For a short duration transient this may not 
be an issue, or one can put series impedance in the system to limit the 
transient current. An LC low pass filter probably wouldn't be a bad idea on 
a rotor control line, since it's not like you're trying to pass RF.

4 layer negative resistance devices (Diacs), or even neon bulbs (NE2) or 
even better, Vacuum Spark gaps, are nice because once they breakdown, the 
voltage drops dramatically, reducing the power dissipation.
Here's a typical gas tube type TVS
http://www.sankosha-usa.com/y08js.asp


Mouser has tons of these from various mfrs, and they run about a 50 cents or 
buck each. Look for "Gas Discharge Tubes" The lowest voltage is typically 
around 70V, so they're good for protecting 24VAC circuits (about twice the 
peak V), but not so good for circuits that directly touch ICs, where you 
need the 5-10V zener type clamps.




The challenge with a spark gap (in air) is that the minimum breakdown 
voltage is around 300V. That's fine for a coax line running power, but not 
so great for a 12 or 24VDC line. So what I would do is combine the spark gap 
(which will clamp to 300-400 V) with some other device to take it the rest 
of the way (with some current limiting component between spark gap and other 
device) (Gas Discharge Tubes use some gas like Argon at low pressure with a 
lower minimum sparking voltage) 

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