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Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 139, Issue 51

To: "'David Gilbert'" <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 139, Issue 51
From: "Marsh Stewart" <marsh@ka5m.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:02:44 -0500
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"Compared to even a full sized 2 element yagi, a properly engineered Moxon
will have better gain and F/B bandwidth, considerably higher F/B, a somewhat
broader front lobe, and only marginally less gain (0.5 db or so)."

So does it "have better gain" or "only marginally less gain"? 

Marsh, KA5M 

-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David
Gilbert
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:57 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 139, Issue 51


Rick's comment below is spot on ... all of it.   Compared to even a full 
sized 2 element yagi,  a properly engineered Moxon will have better gain 
and F/B bandwidth, considerably higher F/B, a somewhat broader front 
lobe, and only marginally less gain (0.5 db or so). I don't remember how 
front-to-side compares.

Anyone interested should check out the fairly exhaustive work on the 
topic by Cebik (whose books, ironically enough, are periodically 
promoted on this reflector).

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 8/1/2014 9:15 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
>
>
> On 8/1/2014 8:38 AM, K7LXC--- via TowerTalk wrote:
>>>   I'm leaning towards buying a Cushcraft XM240 and then modify it 
>>> with  a
>> Moxon modification as a few of you suggested.
>>
>>      Okay, what are the big advantages of a Moxon over a  stock CC 2L 
>> 40?
>> The CC has 250 kHz of bandwidth and for a given boom length the gain 
>> would be
>> the same or similar. Please elucidate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve    K7LXC
>
> The 250 kHz of bandwidth is only SWR bandwidth, not gain or F/B, and it
> is specified at the fairly high SWR of 2:1.  We don't know what the 
> gain or F/B bandwidth is, and the manual recommends one of 3 
> settings:  CW, low phone, or high phone.  That is a red flag.
>
> A Moxon, for several reasons, has a greater bandwidth both in terms
> of gain and SWR, and has a F/B that is unobtainable with an ordinary
> 2 element Yagi.  It is actually better than a full size 2 element 
> Yagi.  It's the next best thing to a SteppIR.  Actually, it
> is better than the SteppIR when working large frequency splits (still
> prevalent in contests), since the bandwidth is instantaneous.
>
> It is amazing to me the amount of corporate inertia that must
> be present to prevent Cushcraft from offering the modified version
> of their XM240 as an off the shelf product.  The engineering has
> fallen into their laps.
>
> Rick N6RK
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