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Re: [TowerTalk] [DILLO] Re: New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [DILLO] Re: New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation
From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 16:42:43 -0500
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I can't imagine many hams that are not aware of the nearest airport that is open year around, registered with the FAA, and given a designator such as our local airport's KIKW. Normally, private, sod strips do not count, but SOME do, so check if for no other reason than being a good neighbor.

What I can imagine is hams not knowing of the FAA's regulations of towers in an airport area. There is a gradual slope going out aligned with the runways. Within the airport area there is also a much steeper slope in directions not aligned with the runways. So you can go higher, sooner if not aligned with a runway. Several hams that are close to the airport and not in line with runways, were told they could go 10' above the trees. (I believe that was on an individual basis with the FAA's blessings)

IF your antenna would extend into the area equal to, or above the slope, THEN the FAA wants to hear from you. If not, they are glad you called, but don't care about the tower/antenna(s)

Planes flying the GPS 06 (IFR Approach) into KIKW fly directly over my house, but they are nearly 1000 feet Above Ground Level (AGL) I don't remember the exact height as I've not flown since 2007 and no longer have the local approach plates (charts which are kinda pricey), but they have just started to descend from that altitude.. The new electronic system is so much easier than those small charts. Imagine having to read a B&W chart and directions with dictionary size print in a bouncing airplane, while flying the airplane, talking to approach control, writing down their instructions and maintaining altitude within a 100 feet. That's plus 100, minus nothing. That gets down to only about 10 feet on the last part of the ILS.

Some years ago, I was on final for runway 36. Gear down and flaps full @ 40 degrees. As I was over the new "upscale" subdivision, coming up on US-10 which runs E/W just South of the airport, something just didn't seem right! Then I realized I was seeing a guy on a tower. Mind you, this is in an area where even the trees have been shortened. I went full power and rolled slightly to starboard to make sure I cleared the tower with the guy working at the top. At full power and max RPM the 2-blade prop tips would go supersonic and they were LOUD! That prop was "probably" about 20 feet from the man on the tower. They called the airport to complain. The tower was gone before dark.

I can understand the crop dusters not liking those towers as they are almost invisible under the best of conditions and completely invisible if anywhere in line with the sun, BUT They are supposed to be aware of those obstructions. When my top antennas were at 130 feet, I've seen the planes "GO AROUND" them when spraying for mosquitoes.

OTOH I try to make sure and stop by operations and refresh their memories as to where my tower is located <:-)) The Aircraft and Owners Association took a very negative view of those meteorological towers being less than 200 feet so they didn't need to be lighted. They alluded to, no they out right called it greed, but those companies were/are operating according to established practices. They do't need to go higher for the information the need, so why do it with all the extra paperwork and responsibility that goes with a taller and lighted tower.

I strongly disagree with the jury that found the company who owned the tower he hit liable for a wrongful death. Now counties, townships, and states will take it upon themselves to regulate what is the FAA's domain and already established at 200 feet.

73

Roger  (K8RI)


On 2/8/2015 9:50 AM, Joe Jarrett wrote:
To further this discussion, even a relatively short  tower at a residence could 
be at an illegal height.  It has to do with how close you are to an airport.  
Do you know how close your nearest airport is?  I bet you don't.

There is a test available on the Internet called Towair. Google Tow air, enter 
a lat and long and a tower height and the software will tell you if your tower 
is legal.

For example, I ran a 40 foot tower in Lakeway about 200 yards back into where 
all the houses are.  Towair told me that such a tower would require 
registration with the FAA and might require lighting.  Some of the houses there 
are close to 40 ft high!

     Joe Jarrett
     Texas State APCO Frequency Coordinator




----- Original Message -----
   From: Mark Stennett
   To: Kim Elmore ; L L bahr
   Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
   Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 10:38 PM
   Subject: [DILLO] Re: [TowerTalk] New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation


   No tower is exempt from FAA siting requirements, regardless of height. You 
wouldn't put a 10 foot tower at the base of a runway, would you? All 
structures, permanent or temporary have to pass a number of FAA tests, 
including slope. Until recentl, I worked in broadcast radio doing engineering 
work for the last 30 years, 20 of those on a corporate level. We acquired a 
radio station once that had a studio microwave tower that was 60 foot tall. 
Even though it was at least 10 feet shorter than the surrounding tree line, it 
was required to bear an Antenna Structure Registration Number and be top lit 
due to proximity to a local airport. It did not pass the slope test.

   This is a very sloppy bill. It would be far easier to leverage the FAA to 
tighten up the temporary structure rules than to try to make these guys tower 
experts. The tail is trying to wag the dog here.

   
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/gisTools/gisAction.jsp?action=showNoNoticeRequiredToolForm

   73 de na6m
-----Original Message-----
     From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
     To: L L bahr <pulsarxp@embarqmail.com>
     Cc: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
     Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:30:54 -0600
     Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] New Proposed Texas Tower Regulation
This comes directly from wind observing towers for wind farm siting. They are all under 300' tell and do not subject to FAA obstruction marking requirements. These are erected essentially overnight and several aerial applicators have run into them because they have no obstruction lighting or markings.

     The curtiledge languages essentially exempts almost all of us.

     Kim N5OP

     "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the 
music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith

     > On Feb 7, 2015, at 11:55, "L L bahr " <pulsarxp@embarqmail.com> wrote:
     >
     > FYI
     > Lee, w0vt
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     > http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Text.aspx?LegSess=84R&Bill=HB946
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     > Please read and pass this to all Amateur Radio Operators who have towers. This “COULD” be detrimental to all of 
us. There are things I am not certain of that I would like answers to or to clarify so that we could write to our legislature to either 
kill this bill or more narrowly define it so that it is not “ALL INCLUSIVE” in nature. It is my understanding that the Crop 
Duster Association is behind this because some pilot either through stupidity or an accident killed himself by flying into an obstruction. 
(I have many times pulled off the road and watched these guys. Several times I have witnessed them doing stupid reckless maneuvers) While 
I am an advocate for safety and common sense, I do not think everyone should “PAY” for the actions of a very small few. If a 
bill like this must exist, it should define a specific distance around the “WORK/FLY ZONE” and not every tower in the state. 
We should write our representatives to kill or modify this bill.
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     >
     >
     > SECTION 1.  Subchapter B, Chapter 21, Transportation Code
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     > Section 21.071 (a) 1, 2, 3 clearly define “MOST” Amateur Radio towers.
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     > Section 21.071 (b) 1, 2 “APPEAR” to exempt many Amateur Radio Towers BUT does it? What is  
the State’s legal definition of “curtilage”?
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     > Section 21.071 (e) 2, “APPEARS” to exempt Amateur Radio Operators as “a facility licensed by 
the Federal Communications Commission or any structure with the primary purpose of supporting telecommunications 
equipment” but then goes on to specifically define commercial radio service. The “and” seems to 
separate the two?
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     > Section 21.071 (f) 1, 2 “REQUIRES” notice and registration. You know 
FEES and PERMITS will soon follow.
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     > Section 21.071 (a), (b) appears to make it retroactive after September 
1, 2016.
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     > Are there any lawyers among us who could speak to this and guide us in 
writing a proper request to our representatives regarding this?
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     > What are your thoughts?
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     > Regards,
     >
     >
     >
     > Larry Lowry
     >
     > Radio System Manager
     >
     > (936) 538-3770 Shop
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     > (936) 538-3711 Direct
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     > (936) 538-3775 Fax
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