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Re: [TowerTalk] Measuring RF ground characteristics

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Measuring RF ground characteristics
From: Artek Manuals <Manuals@ArtekManuals.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:00:53 -0500
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Jim

Thanks , I wonder why google wouldn't return that. It looks like it might be there.

Unfortunately you have to"apply" for an account, And it asks ( unnecessarily IMO ) for a lot of personal info. I choked that down and applied we will see if they let me in ...so far no reply

Dave
NR1DX

On 2/13/2021 1:03 PM, Lux, Jim wrote:
On 2/13/21 9:59 AM, Artek Manuals wrote:
In the process of trying to correlate actual measured R+jX values vs NEC models for an 80M inverted L with elevated radials, I was directed to a paper by Rudy N6LF in QEX from 2009. I have used Rudy's approach and have after many iterations achieved reasonable correlation between actual and modeled numbers. The numbers were not what I expected but are "believable"

It would be intellectually far more satisfying to be able to measure conductivity and dielectric values through direct means.The ARRL Antenna Handbook ( 22nd edition , page 3-21) references some work done by George Hagan back in the 1980's using probes and a VNA. . The ARRL in its infinite wisdom of course does not show the math involved in using this method to directly measure and calculate conductivity and dielectric constant. I have "probes" and a decent VNA ( AIM4300)

I am looking for a copy of:

HF Ground Measurements at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Field Site; /Applied Computational Electromagnetic's Society Journal and News Letter, Vol. 3,Number 2, Fall 1988"
/
Any help appreciated with either a copy of the paper or a pointer to where it might be downloaded. So far Google has not been my friend./

Dave
NR1DX
manuals@artekmanuals.com
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ACES website?
https://aces-society.org/newsletter.php

or maybe here...

https://aces-society.org/search.php?vol=3&no=2&type=2

check about 1/3 way down - a paper by Hagn


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