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Re: [TowerTalk] 80 Meter trap design needed

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 80 Meter trap design needed
From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:06:05 -0500
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Well THAT is just way too much fun.  I might have to give it a try!  Been a fan of W7ZOI since I was a teenager.

Back in the 1970s it was "a QRP transmitter and an RF resistance bridge."  I'm guessing that is what they had to do before there were MFJ-259Bs etc.

Thanks,
73 - Mark N5OT


On 10/23/2021 2:36 PM, Haring family wrote:
I see Jim Brown weighed in... and it reminded me of something.

I saw a design that Dan, AC6LA, wrote up in his stuff about AutoEZ... about an auto-switching 2-bander. It was originally done by W7ZOI and then some other guys used it and wrote articles.

It was originally used for 2 harmonic bands, but Dan confirmed that he can use it basically on any 2 adjacent bands.

The scheme was to insert an L-network, where the shunt was a cap and the series was an L and C in series. For the low band, the LC was close to series resonant and the shunt had negligible effect. For the high band, the shunt dropped the impedance and the series-series L-C tuned it a little.

Here's a good link with references, even if you don't play with AutoEZ:
https://ac6la.com/aecollection6.html#64

_*Dual-Band Vertical with "Autopilot" Matching Network*_

Here's a little modeling study which uses both the EZNEC "L Networks" feature and the AutoEZ optimizer in sort of a unique way.

In 1977 Wes Hayward, W7ZOI, described an interesting dual-band matching network. His Hints and Kinks QST submission is reproduced below.

good luck!

Dave N3AC



On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 9:31 AM Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com> wrote:

    Thanks Joe, this was just what I was looking for.  I knew someone
    must
    have done this before.  I've slept since I last read about the Battle
    Creek Special.  Legendary skyhook.

    73 - Mark N5OT

    On 10/23/2021 8:16 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
    >
    > I think there are designs on the old "Battle Creek Special" web
    pages.
    > Try: <https://www.pi4cc.nl/link/mkII.php>
    >
    > 73,
    >
    >    ... Joe, W4TV
    >
    >
    > On 2021-10-23 7:56 AM, Mark - N5OT wrote:
    >> I hope to make a trap vertical that works on 80 and 160.  I
    hope to
    >> find an 80 meter trap design that can handle full power.  The 80
    >> meter energy would stop when it gets to the trap, but the trap
    would
    >> pass 160 meter energy.
    >>
    >> It won't be suspended with wire so smallness and
    lightweightness are
    >> not necessary criteria.  I hope someone can just shoot me a design
    >> and values.  Everything I find searching the internet is less
    >> straightforward than "make a coil like this and stick a
    capacitor of
    >> this value here" which I would think would be the easiest way
    forward.
    >>
    >> Any advice?
    >>
    >> 73 - Mark N5OT
    >>
    >

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