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Re: [TowerTalk] EHS cable and torque bars

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] EHS cable and torque bars
From: Mike H <mph@sportscliche.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 22:10:45 -0400
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...and for the short R45 installs too. The 40 and 50 ft Rohn setups specify a single 1/4 in EHS cable. Heights of 60 ft and above use a combination of 3/16 and 1/4 in EHS.  Sure is confusing!

Mike

On 6/9/23 21:36, Steve Maki wrote:
Destroying the bracket? What are you talking about? 1/4" EHS is SPECIFIED on tall R45's.

-Steve K8LX

On 2023-06-09 9:27 PM, Ron WV4P wrote:
When the Catenary weight of 1/4" EHS changes the angle of the torque bar to destroying the bracket VS resisting twist it all makes sense... Adding larger shackles compounds the issue.

Likely not an issue with your short tower but worth a call to Rohn.

Ron, WV4P

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 8:21 PM Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org> wrote:

    That's idiotic, or at least short sighted.

    Use the biggest pin shackle that will fit in the torque arm, and 1/4"
    big grips (preforms) with thimble in the shackle. This makes it
    easy to
    remove a guy wire temporarily whenever needed.

    As has been pointed out often, the torque arms don't do much for
    rotational resistance, but if you have them, use them. It makes a
    nice
    install.

    -Steve K8LX

    On 2023-06-09 8:34 PM, Mike H wrote:
    > I acquired some used Rohn 45G in very good shape and will be
    going up
    > 50 ft. Antenna will be stacked 2 x 9-el for 2m. I'm following
    the Rohn
    > engineering guidance very closely: base is a new R-SB45G buried
    in the
    > prescribed concrete block along with GAR30 guy anchors, also in
    > concrete. I have the older style guy bracket for 45G that has (very
    > expensive!) TB45D torque bars
    >
<https://www.3starinc.com/rohn_45g_torque_bars_for_use_with_guy_bracket_r-tb45d.html>

    > along with several hundred feet of brand-new 1/4 in EHS for the
    guys.
    > According to the Rohn instructions, however, I can't use EHS cable
    > that's greater than 3/16 in:
    >
    > https://www.3starinc.com/manuals/ROHN_Torque_Bar.pdf
    >
    > This means I'd have to buy either smaller EHS cable or their
    newer guy
    > bracket that doesn't use torque bars. I'll do this if I have to,
    but
    > I'd sure like to understand why 1/4 in EHS is a deal-breaker for
    the
    > torque bars. QTH is north Florida so I want to make the setup as
    > storm-proof as practical. Any insight appreciated.
    >
    > Mike WB2FKO
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