Rich and all.....tend to agree with you ...except .....I can vividly remember the beast and beauty of the arc in tune C with a pair of 813's GG on 10 meters... Ed -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/ampfaq.html Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com Search: http://www.contesting.com/km9p/search.htm