[AMPS] (no subject)
Radiodan W7RF
RFpower@radiodan.com
Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:18:18 -0800
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I just found this in my deleted items folder.
This is dated 11-18-98 from YOU Alan!
"Dan/George,
Actually, every 4K-Ultra I've ever owned (and I've owned 5; only have one
now) had about 4300 V.D.C. under full load. But then again, my incoming ac
line delivers 250 VAC- [thanks, Philadelphia Electric Company :) ].
And without a doubt, the 4K-Ultra has the best RF components in the tank
circuit of any amateur amp ever built, Alpha included.
Alan, W3BV"
Maybe you forgot how you praised the HENRY just a week earlier.
Are feeling well today Alan? (hihi)
73, Dan Magro W7RF, (member SCDXC, SCCC)
Rugged, Reliable Henry HF Amps are "Instant on" for RF Power now!
DXers/Contesters/Ragchewers get your HENRY from RADIODAN for LESS!
***Subscribe to the HENRY reflector at www.qth.net ***
www.radiodan.com RFpower@radiodan.com
A trip to our web site is worth the click!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-amps@contesting.com [mailto:owner-amps@contesting.com]On
Behalf Of Alan Gray
Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 11:46 AM
To: Radiodan W7RF; K4ab@aol.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
Cc: amps@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [AMPS] (no subject)
"Radio" Dan-
At 10:14 AM 11/30/98 -0800, Radiodan W7RF wrote:
>If there's confusion it's not on my part Alan,
>
>Let me "right" back to you this way....
>
>Which of the "current crop of amps" do you own where you know so much?
- Among others, amps by Harris, Henry (4K-Ultra) Alpha (87A & 77SX) Drake
(L-4-B), and a number of homebrew amps (4CX1500B, 8877, etc.)... as if that
matters. A
>Fact: The transformers used are very reliable, we wouldn't continue to
use
>them if they were junk!
FACT: Henry has persisted in using unreliable components in their amps for
years. Ask Pete Dahl how many transformers he sold to replace the early
Triad and current ECA transformers Henry put in their amps. Even the Henry
8K-s have weak power supplies...all the guys around here who bought the
vaunted 8K-Ultras had to buy replacement transformers.... And don't overlook
the history of failures Henry's had with the cheap Dayton blowers they use
(e.g., in the 4K-Ultra).
>Fact: The HENRY RF deck is and always has been very efficient.
>I don't see anyone else using a custom made roller inductor in the tank,
and
>door knob caps switched in for plate C. Why? costs too much if you don't
>make the parts like HENRY does!
FACT: You and I both know Henry went to this make shift scheme as a cost
reduction scheme, not because it was a better way to go. And those roller
inductors are a joke (go look at the Johnson and Multronics inductors if you
want to see decent quality; Henry used to use them before the cost cutting
took over.
By the way, roller inductors are notoriously unreliable in r.f. tank
circuits due to arcing and pitting. RCA used to use this fact as a major
weapon in its sales campaigns against Gates (RCA used tapped inductors;
Gates used roller inductors in their tank circuits; Gates transmitters were
famous for "zorched" tank circuits).
>Sheet metal? You must be looking at something else. We use aluminum.
FACT: Last time I checked, aluminum was metal. And since its used by Henry
in sheets to make cabinets and chassis, its called "sheet metal" (see you
learned something new, Dan). At any rate, you dodged the issue.
Henry's cabinets never fit properly. I defy you to show me a Henry amp
cabinet with sheet metal fits properly with its screw holes (Henry is famous
for making the screw holes on their cabinets line up by reaming out the
holes; as a result, their amps always look like they were made by
"shoemakers")
FACT: And while you're at it, show me a Henry amp cabinet that doesn't
vibrate like the devil. Guess the solution is to buy a 3 or 8K-Ultra and put
it another room. That's a great selling point.... I don't use my 4K-Ultra
very much for because I can't stand the noise it makes. If you want quiet,
don't buy a Henry. Or at least, build an addition to the shack to isolate
your Henry in (unless you don't mind operating in an environment that sounds
like you're on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
Dan, the point of all this is to say that Henry amps are built for a price
and are not the most rugged, reliable amps built. At least not in my 30+
years of working on them.
Alan, W3BV
>73, Dan Magro W7RF, (member SCDXC, SCCC)
>Rugged, Reliable Henry HF Amps are "Instant on" for RF Power now!
>DXers/Contesters/Ragchewers get your HENRY from RADIODAN for LESS!
>***Subscribe to the HENRY reflector at www.qth.net <http://www.qth.net>
>***
>www.radiodan.com <http://www.radiodan.com> RFpower@radiodan.com
><mailto:RFpower@radiodan.com> A trip to our web site is worth the click!
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alan Gray [mailto:agray@voicenet.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 9:21 AM
>> To: Radiodan W7RF; K4ab@aol.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Cc: amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: RE: [AMPS] (no subject)
>>
>>
>> "Radio" Dan-
>>
>>
>> Before you confuse your marketing efforts with technical fact, in
>> the final
>> analysis your comments are still a salesman's hype.
>>
>> Fact is, Henry does, and always has, used a lot of marginal components
in
>> their amps....like the ECA transformers...and the Triad
>> transformers before
>> them. And their current crop of amps use tank components that are
nothing
>> to right home about either.....
>>
>> And most annoying of all, Henry still doesn't know how to make sheet
metal
>> that fits right even after all these years.
>>
>> Alan, W3BV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:12 PM 11/28/98 -0800, Radiodan W7RF wrote:
>> >
>> >HI Larry,
>> >
>> >They're not small, light, or compact, but they are THE most
>> Rugged, Reliable
>> >amplifiers anywhere.
>> >
>> >Get a HENRY. No brag........just FACT!
>> >
>> >
>> >73, Dan Magro W7RF, (member SCDXC, SCCC)
>> >Rugged, Reliable Henry HF Amps are "Instant on" for RF Power now!
>> >DXers/Contesters/Ragchewers get your HENRY from RADIODAN for LESS!
>> >***Subscribe to the HENRY reflector at www.qth.net
<http://www.qth.net>
>> >***
>> >www.radiodan.com <http://www.radiodan.com> RFpower@radiodan.com
>> ><mailto:RFpower@radiodan.com> A trip to our web site is worth the
click!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-amps@contesting.com [mailto:owner-amps@contesting.com]On
>> >> Behalf Of K4ab@aol.com
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 1:13 PM
>> >> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> >> Cc: amps@contesting.com
>> >> Subject: [AMPS] (no subject)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For the second time in as many contests, my Ameritron AL-1500
>> developed a
>> >> problem during the contest. Probably not a major problem, but
>> certainly a
>> >> nuisance.
>> >>
>> >> My question...what is the most durable, legal-limit, commercially
>> >> available
>> >> amp sold?
>> >>
>> >> I'm tired of having amp problems during the contests. I don't
>> >> mistreat the
>> >> amp, but I do run 'em hard..i.e.- CQ'ing for hours at a time.
>> >>
>> >> If a commercially available amp is not available, who homebrews
>> >> and sells the
>> >> best?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> 73,
>> >> Larry K4AB
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>>
>
>
>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D880021321-30111998><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D880021321-30111998><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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size=3D2>This is dated 11-18-98 from YOU Alan!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D880021321-30111998></SPAN><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>"Dan/George,<BR><BR>Actually, every =
4K-Ultra=20
I've ever owned (and I've owned 5; only have one now) had about 4300 =
V.D.C.=20
under <U>full</U> load. But then again, my incoming ac line delivers 250 =
VAC-=20
[thanks, Philadelphia Electric Company :) ]. <BR><BR>And without a =
doubt, the=20
4K-Ultra has the best RF components in the tank circuit of any amateur =
amp ever=20
built, Alpha included.<BR><BR>Alan, W3BV"<SPAN=20
class=3D880021321-30111998></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D880021321-30111998><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2>Maybe you forgot how you praised the HENRY just a week earlier. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D880021321-30111998><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2>Are feeling well today Alan? (hihi)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><FONT size=3D3>73, Dan Magro <FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS">W7RF, (member <FONT color=3D#000000 =
face=3D"">SCDXC,=20
SCCC</FONT>)<BR>Rugged, Reliable Henry HF Amps are "<FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000>Instant on</FONT>" for RF Power=20
now!<BR>DXers/Contesters/Ragchewers get your HENRY from RADIODAN for =
<FONT=20
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Behalf Of</B> Alan Gray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 30, 1998 =
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href=3D"mailto:K4ab@aol.com">K4ab@aol.com</A>; <A=20
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R><B>Cc:</B>=20
<A=20
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:</B>=20
RE: [AMPS] (no subject)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>"Radio" =
Dan-<BR><BR>At=20
10:14 AM 11/30/98 -0800, Radiodan W7RF wrote:<BR>>If there's =
confusion it's=20
not on my part Alan,<BR>><BR>>Let me "right" back to =
you this=20
way....<BR>><BR>>Which of the "current crop of amps" =
do you=20
own where you know so much?<BR><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080>- =
Among=20
others, amps by Harris, Henry (4K-Ultra) Alpha (87A & 77SX) Drake =
(L-4-B),=20
and a number of homebrew amps (4CX1500B, 8877, etc.)... as if that =
matters.=20
A<BR><?/color></B><BR>>Fact: The transformers used are very =
reliable, we=20
wouldn't continue to use<BR>>them if they were =
junk!<BR><BR><B><?color><?param ffff,0000,0000>FACT: =
<?/color><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080>Henry has persisted in using=20
unreliable components in their amps for years. Ask Pete Dahl how many=20
transformers he sold to replace the early Triad and current ECA =
transformers=20
Henry put in their amps. Even the Henry 8K-s have weak power =
supplies...all=20
the guys around here who bought the vaunted 8K-Ultras had to buy =
replacement=20
transformers.... And don't overlook the history of failures Henry's =
had with=20
the cheap Dayton blowers they use (e.g., in the=20
4K-Ultra).<BR><?/color></B><BR>>Fact: The HENRY RF deck is and =
always has=20
been very efficient.<BR>>I don't see anyone else using a custom =
made roller=20
inductor in the tank, and<BR>>door knob caps switched in for plate =
C. Why?=20
costs too much if you don't<BR>>make the parts like HENRY =
does!<BR><BR><B><?color><?param ffff,0000,0000>FACT: =
<?/color><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080>You and I both know Henry went =
to this=20
make shift scheme as a cost reduction scheme, not because it was a =
better way=20
to go. And those roller inductors are a joke (go look at the Johnson =
and=20
Multronics inductors if you want to see decent quality; Henry used to =
use them=20
before the cost cutting took over. <BR><BR>By the way, roller =
inductors are=20
notoriously unreliable in r.f. tank circuits due to arcing and =
pitting. RCA=20
used to use this fact as a major weapon in its sales campaigns against =
Gates=20
(RCA used tapped inductors; Gates used roller inductors in their tank=20
circuits; Gates transmitters were famous for "zorched" tank=20
circuits).<BR><?/color><?color><?param =
ffff,0000,0000><BR><?/color></B>>Sheet=20
metal? You must be looking at something else. We use =
aluminum.<BR><BR><B><?color><?param ffff,0000,0000>FACT: =
<?/color></B><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><B>Last time I checked, =
aluminum=20
was metal. And since its used by Henry in sheets to make cabinets and =
chassis,=20
its called "sheet metal" (see you learned something new, =
Dan). At=20
any rate, you dodged the issue. <BR><BR>Henry's cabinets <U>never =
</U>fit=20
properly. I defy you to show me a Henry amp cabinet with sheet metal =
fits=20
properly with its screw holes (Henry is famous for making the screw =
holes on=20
their cabinets line up by reaming out the holes; as a result, their =
amps=20
always look like they were made by "shoemakers") =
<BR><BR></B><?/color><B><?color><?param ffff,0000,0000>FACT: =
<?/color><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080>And while you're at it, show me =
a=20
Henry amp cabinet that doesn't vibrate like the devil. Guess the =
solution is=20
to buy a 3 or 8K-Ultra and put it another room. That's a great selling =
point.... I don't use my 4K-Ultra very much for because I can't stand =
the=20
noise it makes. If you want quiet, don't buy a Henry. Or at least, =
build an=20
addition to the shack to isolate your Henry in (unless you don't mind=20
operating in an environment that sounds like you're on the flight deck =
of an=20
aircraft carrier.<BR><BR>Dan, the point of all this is to say that =
Henry amps=20
are built for a price and are not the most rugged, reliable amps =
built. At=20
least not in my 30+ years of working on them.<BR><BR>Alan,=20
W3BV<BR><?/color></B><?color><?param =
0000,0000,8080><BR><BR><BR><?/color><U><BR></U><BR>>73,=20
Dan Magro W7RF, (member SCDXC, SCCC)<BR>>Rugged, Reliable Henry HF =
Amps are=20
"Instant on" for RF Power =
now!<BR>>DXers/Contesters/Ragchewers=20
get your HENRY from RADIODAN for LESS!<BR>>***Subscribe to the =
HENRY=20
reflector at <A href=3D"http://www.qth.net">www.qth.net</A> <<A=20
=
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Message-----<BR>>> From: Alan Gray [<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:agray@voicenet.com">mailto:agray@voicenet.com</A>]<BR>>=
>=20
Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 9:21 AM<BR>>> To: Radiodan W7RF; =
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:K4ab@aol.com">K4ab@aol.com</A>; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com">cq-contest@contesting.com</A><B=
R>>>=20
Cc: <A =
href=3D"mailto:amps@contesting.com">amps@contesting.com</A><BR>>>=20
Subject: RE: [AMPS] (no subject)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
"Radio" Dan-<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Before you =
confuse=20
your marketing efforts with technical fact, in<BR>>> the=20
final<BR>>> analysis your comments are still a salesman's=20
hype.<BR>>><BR>>> Fact is, Henry does, and always has, =
used a lot=20
of marginal components in<BR>>> their amps....like the ECA=20
transformers...and the Triad<BR>>> transformers =
before<BR>>> them.=20
And their current crop of amps use tank components that are=20
nothing<BR>>> to right home about =
either.....<BR>>><BR>>>=20
And most annoying of all, Henry still doesn't know how to make sheet=20
metal<BR>>> that fits right even after all these=20
years.<BR>>><BR>>> Alan,=20
W3BV<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> At =
02:12 PM=20
11/28/98 -0800, Radiodan W7RF wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> =
>HI=20
Larry,<BR>>> ><BR>>> >They're not small, light, or =
compact,=20
but they are THE most<BR>>> Rugged, Reliable<BR>>> =
>amplifiers=20
anywhere.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >Get a HENRY. No =
brag........just=20
FACT!<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> >73, Dan Magro =
W7RF,=20
(member SCDXC, SCCC)<BR>>> >Rugged, Reliable Henry HF Amps =
are=20
"Instant on" for RF Power now!<BR>>>=20
>DXers/Contesters/Ragchewers get your HENRY from RADIODAN for=20
LESS!<BR>>> >***Subscribe to the HENRY reflector at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.qth.net">www.qth.net</A> <<A=20
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>> Behalf Of <A =
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>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 1:13 PM<BR>>> =
>> To: <A=20
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R>>>=20
>> Cc: <A=20
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>>=20
Subject: [AMPS] (no subject)<BR>>> >><BR>>>=20
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> =
>> For=20
the second time in as many contests, my Ameritron AL-1500<BR>>>=20
developed a<BR>>> >> problem during the contest. Probably =
not a=20
major problem, but<BR>>> certainly a<BR>>> >>=20
nuisance.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> My question...what =
is the=20
most durable, legal-limit, commercially<BR>>> >>=20
available<BR>>> >> amp sold?<BR>>> =
>><BR>>>=20
>> I'm tired of having amp problems during the contests. I=20
don't<BR>>> >> mistreat the<BR>>> >> amp, but =
I do run=20
'em hard..i.e.- CQ'ing for hours at a time.<BR>>> =
>><BR>>>=20
>> If a commercially available amp is not available, who=20
homebrews<BR>>> >> and sells the<BR>>> >>=20
best?<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Thanks!<BR>>>=20
>><BR>>> >> 73,<BR>>> >> Larry =
K4AB<BR>>>=20
>><BR>>> >> --<BR>>> >> FAQ on WWW: <A=20
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