[AMPS] 6146 splatter help?
J. Bradshaw
ac6tk@cybertime.net
Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:20:30 -0800
Ok so how about some feedback:
I tried the dynamic mic: In the hi-z (50k) position, it was just like
the 444. In the lo-z (150) position, it was just barely enough with
the mic gain full bore, but the garbage was gone. Also the radio
was only making about 20 watts. So I wondered about the spectrum
analyzer. So rather than going into the TX port, I put it on the
Termaline and sampling port and went into the IFR's antenna port.
So now with the CW input reduced to 10 db below the top line,
everything is fine clear down to the baseline. Now it couldn't be
overloading the TX port on a 100w CW signal, 5db below the top
line?
Yup!
Tried the old mics again, and I couldn't make it splatter with the
ALC PEGGED! It could be the guy on the radio was pulling my leg...
Jim, ac6tk
Afraid to button it up now that it works so good!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Keith" <nm5k@wt.net>
To: <ac6tk@cybertime.net>; "AMPS" <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:43
Subject: Re: [AMPS] 6146 splatter help?
:
: measures wrote:
:
: > >Is there any way to improve the splatter on my TS830s (low s/n) with RCA
: > >6146B's?
:
: Not sure what you mean..."low s/n" doesn't make sense... If you are
: splattering with the ts-830, that would usually mean you are
: underloaded. This is common with the old hybrid kenwoods, as many will
: tune up in the "tune" mode, and not finish the job in the cw mode. You
: need to fully load the radio in cw mode to ensure proper loading. The
: only problem you should see with some 6146's might be a problem
: neutralizing. If you have no problems doing that on 10m, they should be
: fine. You are pulling the correct appx plate current.
: > >
: > It is already the cleanest radio ever built. .
:
: It's pretty good , thats for sure.
: >
: > >On voice peaks (p's, t's and ch's) there are burps like key click sup and
: > >down the band about -40-60 db from the intended energy.
: > >It is only barley noticeable up and down with a 10+ S9 signal in another
: > >rcvr (although I hear the same thing coming from my TS130
: > >too).
: > >
:
: But do other people hear this? You may just be slightly overloading your
: in shack rcvr.
:
: > >It is clean from the 12BY7 on a spectrum analyzer (FM/AM 1100s). It seems
: > >that maybe the alc just isn't fast enough whenever the
: > >grid starts pulling current.
: >
: > ALC is never fast enough.
:
: I don't even pay attention to the alc on a 830. Or any other kenwood for
: that matter.
: >
: > >The mics I have tried are Shure 444 (desk)
: > >and 404c (mobile) and they both do the same thing.
: >
: > An electret mic. makes cleaner audio.
:
: A good dynamic even better I think. I use a audio technica dynamic mike.
: I've never run across a person who says I have bad audio yet. The 444
: has fairly funky audio in comparison I think, and the electrets too flat
: usually. Not bad, but not near as good as the dynamics I've used.
: >
: > >The
: > >mic gain is critical and goes from 0 to full slam scale around 9 o'clock
: > >but less so with the processor on (15 db) about 10 or 11
: > >o'clock.
:
: In that case sounds like you have too much mike gain. I run mine about
: 12 oclock and still can go plenty farther. I can turn mine up all the
: way, and am still not overly nasty. BTW, I run my compressor, but very
: lightly at usually about 9 oclock. Doesn't even move the compression
: meter unless I started screaming. Shouldn't need any more than that. 15
: db??? uhhhhhhggg....Could sound pretty funky.
: > >
: > >The plate is 750v, the grid is -60v and the SG is 235. I dropped the SG
: > >down to another tap at 210v, but there was no difference
: > >in operation other than Ip went from 210ma to 180ma. Idles at 60ma. I
: > >tried opening the grid chokes on the resistors, (47 ohm) and
: > >tried a standby pair of GE 6146A's but no change at all. The 9.00v and
: > >3.60v are set after doing the power supply mods, and the
: > >vbt/carrier oscilllators have been adjusted for max bandwidth (+- 1.4 kHz
: > >@ -6 db) in ssb (Thanks Rich. The Fcenter on the 455k5 was
: > >a wee off). Most voltages on Q19,Q20 look good, but I can't probe the
: > >alc line without messing it all up.
: > >
: > less ALC means less feculence.
:
: yep, I did the Measures VBT mod on my 830. Works real nice. Also the 210
: mil number just about right. It was ok the first time.
: >
: > >So is there a problem with the alc or pa or am I chasing ghosts? I love
: > >this radio better than some of my newer ones.
:
: I think you need a new mike. Or reduce the gain from the one you are
: using. The mike input on the 830 is low OR high impedance. It does not
: take much mike gain to drive an 830. If you are near overdrive at 9
: oclock you have a problem there. I'd look at that first. Sounds like the
: rest is ok to me. I bought a gold label 830 about 2 years ago. I did a
: total full alignment, and then the VBT and other mods that Rich has on
: his website. The rig just works fantastic. Best overall receiver I've
: ever used . Period. The audio thru the headphone jack is ultra clean and
: smooth. Plug the same phones into my icom for instance, and you can tell
: the difference right off the bat. To the average ear, the icom would
: sound fine, but compare to the 830, and it sounds fairly ragged. Also
: the compressor or "rf clipper" on the 830 one of the best ever made.
: Can't hardly tell it's on when adjusted properly. MK
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