[Amps] Re: Amps digest, Vol 1 #433 - 21 msgs

Pat Poirier hkmannh@totalnetnh.net
Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:14:45 -0500


Why do we waste the band space on this flamer, we should just delete him
when his postings come in and not give him the time of day.

The more we debate him, the more enjoyment he gets. It is like the guy that
is maliciously whistling on you when you are in QSO. If you say something
about him he will stay, if you ignore him, he will dry up and go way.

His posting in its self tells us who he is and what he is.

73
Pat W1KA
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Subject: [Amps] Re: Amps digest, Vol 1 #433 - 21 msgs


> Now you've got ONE MORE VOTE to kick FLAMERS off the LIST... Remember, NO
> PERSONAL ATTACKS...
>
> Larry, W1GOR
>
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> >    1. (no subject) (Chuck K8CPA)
> >    2. use of load resistors for HV (John T. M. Lyles)
> >    3. K8CPA (Dino Darling)
> >    4. Re: K8CPA (W0YR@aol.com)
> >    5. Re: K8CPA (Nick Wallace)
> >    6. FS  TUBES (Smirk5766@aol.com)
> >    7. Re: K8CPA (wb8jkr@juno.com)
> >    8. K8CPA (Pete Smith)
> >    9. Re: K8CPA (Douglas Dedon)
> >   10. Re: K8CPA (Kim Elmore)
> >   11. RE: K8CPA (Joe Subich, K4IK)
> >   12. ICOM 756 PRO II or FT 1000 MP Field or Mk 5 ? (KenK1ZYW@aol.com)
> >   13. FT-1000D  Band Data Jack (Mike Wapner)
> >   14. RE: K8CPA (Douglas Dedon)
> >   15. Alpha 99 QSK noise??? (David E. Shelton)
> >   16. Re: K8CPA (Michael Tope)
> >   17. Re: FT-1000D  Band Data Jack (dan hearn)
> >   18. RE: K8CPA (Paul Noble)
> >   19. Merry Xmas (RICK COLE)
> >   20. Re: K8CPA (Rich)
> >   21. RE: K8CPA (Rich)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:16:01 -0500
> > From: Chuck K8CPA <k8cpa@arrl.net>
> > To: amps@contesting.com
> > Subject: [Amps] (no subject)
> >
> >
> > >Message: 5
> > >From: "Robert Carroll" <rlcarroll@rcn.com>
> > >To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [Amps] ICOM 756 PRO II or FT 1000 MP Field or Mk 5 ?
> > >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:03:27 -0500
> > >Does anyone have experience with the supposedly fabulous Ten Tec Orion?
> > >I have seen no reviews yet. http://www.tentec.com/TT565.htm
> > >Bob W2WG
> >
> >
> > you mean the ten-tec MORON? anyone that pays that kind of price for a
> > ten-tec or any other radio for that matter is a Moron.
> >
> > and besides all that, you got to put a brick on top the radio,
otherwise,
> > it'll drift off your desk! ;-P
> >
> > The best solution!  GET A KENWOOD! Preferable a TS-950SDX!
> >
> > 73 and good luck in the contest!
> >
> > -Chuck K8CPA
> >
> > P.S. what does this have to do with amps in the first place????
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:15:11 -0700
> > To: amps@contesting.com
> > From: "John T. M. Lyles" <jtml@lanl.gov>
> > Subject: [Amps] use of load resistors for HV
> >
> > I haven't tried them, because they are even more difficult to come by
> > here. However, Bird and Altronics both make the thin film on ceramic
> > for their RF loads, and the ratings for CW, average are nearly same
> > as peak. In other words, they are incapable of handling very high
> > voltages, much more than what is seen with P=E^2/R with CW RF power.
> > Maybe for a one time transient they would work though. What I have
> > heard from Altronics engineers is that we cannot run typical 4 x or
> > 10 x the average rating with short peaks that are repetitive, such as
> > one might get with a Ohmweve resistive element (toaster looking
> > thing) or Globar resistor.
> >
> > Happy Holiday, signing off until Jan 1 (unless I get on a PC at my
> sisters)
> > 73
> > John
> > K5PRO
> >
> >
> >
> > >>Has anyone tried a typical dummy load resistor (usually carbon film on
> > >>ceramic)? The long, thin shape is right... here in England we call
them
> > >>"cricket stumps".
> > >>
> > >73 from Ian G3SEK
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: "Dino Darling" <k6rix@arrl.net>
> > To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:01:21 -0800
> > Subject: [Amps] K8CPA
> >
> > You have one vote to ban Chuck from this list.  I certainly don't see
> where
> > his comments contribute to the discussion.
> >
> > Dino...K6RIX
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck K8CPA" <k8cpa@arrl.net>
> > To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:16 AM
> > Subject: [Amps] (no subject)
> >
> >
> > > you mean the ten-tec MORON? anyone that pays that kind of price for a
> > > ten-tec or any other radio for that matter is a Moron.
> > >
> > > and besides all that, you got to put a brick on top the radio,
> otherwise,
> > > it'll drift off your desk! ;-P
> > >
> > > The best solution!  GET A KENWOOD! Preferable a TS-950SDX!
> > >
> > > 73 and good luck in the contest!
> > >
> > > -Chuck K8CPA
> > >
> > > P.S. what does this have to do with amps in the first place????
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > From: W0YR@aol.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:04:51 EST
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> > To: k6rix@arrl.net, amps@contesting.com
> >
> > Now you have two votes.  Way out of line.
> >
> > Mike
> > W0YR
> >
> >
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> > Message: 5
> > From: "Nick Wallace" <NICK.WALLACE@xtra.co.nz>
> > To: <W0YR@aol.com>, <k6rix@arrl.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:13:23 +1300
> >
> > Make that three
> >
> > Nick  ZL1IU
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <W0YR@aol.com>
> > To: <k6rix@arrl.net>; <amps@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 9:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> >
> >
> > > Now you have two votes.  Way out of line.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > W0YR
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 6
> > From: Smirk5766@aol.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:12:24 EST
> > To: ForSale-Swap@mailman.qth.net
> > CC: amps@contesting.com
> > Subject: [Amps] FS  TUBES
> >
> >
> > SEVERAL   GENERAL ELECTRIC 12DQ6B/12GW6 TUBES FOR SALE,  NOT TESTED..
> >
> > ALSO A COUPLE OF CAPS 9800UF  50VDC
> > 2 INCHES ROUND X 5 3/4 INCHES TALL
> >
> > IF INTERESTED;
> >
> > WAYNE     W4WRL
> > W4WRL@AOL.COM
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> > Message: 7
> > To: k6rix@arrl.net
> > Cc: amps@contesting.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:31:11 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> > From: wb8jkr@juno.com
> >
> >  I don't *think* he called anybody a moron, I think he was
> > substituding the word "moron" for "orion"
> >
> > 73,  Mark  WB8JKR
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:01:21 -0800 "Dino Darling" <k6rix@arrl.net>
> > writes:
> > > You have one vote to ban Chuck from this list.  I certainly don't see
> > > where
> > > his comments contribute to the discussion.
> > >
> > > Dino...K6RIX
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chuck K8CPA" <k8cpa@arrl.net>
> > > To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:16 AM
> > > Subject: [Amps] (no subject)
> > >
> > >
> > > > you mean the ten-tec MORON? anyone that pays that kind of price
> > > for a
> > > > ten-tec or any other radio for that matter is a Moron.
> > > >
> > > > and besides all that, you got to put a brick on top the radio,
> > > otherwise,
> > > > it'll drift off your desk! ;-P
> > > >
> > > > The best solution!  GET A KENWOOD! Preferable a TS-950SDX!
> > > >
> > > > 73 and good luck in the contest!
> > > >
> > > > -Chuck K8CPA
> > > >
> > > > P.S. what does this have to do with amps in the first place????
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:35:50 -0500
> > To: amps@contesting.com
> > From: Pete Smith <n4zr@contesting.com>
> > Subject: [Amps] K8CPA
> >
> > Four.
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > Happy Holidays
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:45:19 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Douglas Dedon <dwdedon@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> > To: wb8jkr@juno.com, k6rix@arrl.net
> > Cc: amps@contesting.com
> >
> > I am sure you are correct in your deduction but some
> > Folks enjoy reading between the lines. Doug. Wb5ado
> >
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> > Message: 10
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:54:55 -0600
> > To: amps@contesting.com
> > From: "Kim Elmore" <Kim.Elmore@noaa.gov>
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> >
> > Five votes.
> >
> > Kim Elmore, N5OP
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 11
> > From: "Joe Subich, K4IK" <k4ik@subich.com>
> > To: "'Douglas Dedon'" <dwdedon@yahoo.com>, <wb8jkr@juno.com>,
> <k6rix@arrl.net>
> > Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Amps] K8CPA
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:55:44 -0500
> >
> >
> > This thread ends right here ...
> >
> > There is no reason for responding to an obvious effort
> > to stir up trouble and further public postings will be
> > dealt with accordingly.
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 12
> > From: KenK1ZYW@aol.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:59:07 EST
> > To: amps@contesting.com
> > Subject: [Amps] ICOM 756 PRO II or FT 1000 MP Field or Mk 5 ?
> >
> > I WAS AN ICOM MAN TILL I GOT THE FT1000 MP FIELD (I HAD SEVERAL DEAD IN
> THE
> > BOX MK5'S.... BUT FIELD IS PERFECT)
> >
> >
> > IT IS A NO BRAINER..... GET YAESU IF YOU ARE A SERIOUS CONTESTER OR DXER
> AND
> > ARE WILLING TO STUDY THE MANUAL -- OTHERWISE
> > JUST GET ICOM......
> >
> > MOST ALL THE SERIOUS CONTESTERS HAVE YAESU FT1000'S
> >
> > DE KNE K1UM
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 13
> > From: Mike Wapner <MWapner@Vetronix.com>
> > To: "'amps@contesting.com'" <amps@contesting.com>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:58:57 -0800
> > Subject: [Amps] FT-1000D  Band Data Jack
> >
> > Looking for a source for the "special" 8-pin DIN plug with the tab to
> > activate the internal connector switch which isolates pin 8 from ground.
> > Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks & 73, Mike-K6QD
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:06:01 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Douglas Dedon <dwdedon@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Amps] K8CPA
> > To: "Joe Subich, K4IK" <k4ik@subich.com>, wb8jkr@juno.com,
k6rix@arrl.net
> > Cc: amps@contesting.com
> >
> > Hummmmm A new Moderator that Double Posts Messages.
> > Doug. WB5ADO
> >
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> > Message: 15
> > From: "David E. Shelton" <n4in@insightbb.com>
> > To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:15:13 -0500
> > Subject: [Amps] Alpha 99 QSK noise???
> >
> > I am serious about buying an Amp this new year and I am also serious
> > about quiet amps, both the QSK (relay noise) and fan noise. Is the Alpha
> > 99 quiet on QSK CW and what about the fan noise? I have heard that the
> > Acom 1000 is very quiet but I want an amp that is full legal limit and
> > something I will use for many years to come without forking over the $6K
> > for a 87A. Max budget is $3500.
> >
> > Tnx es 73,
> > David, N4IN
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 16
> > From: "Michael Tope" <W4EF@dellroy.com>
> > To: <k6rix@arrl.net>, <wb8jkr@juno.com>
> > Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:18:59 -0800
> >
> > Yes, Mark, I believe you are correct. The first time I
> > read Chuck's comment I interpreted it as a personal
> > attack towards Bob W2WG. Upon second reading,
> > however, I figured out what he was trying to say.
> > A good example of how much difference a comma
> > can make.
> >
> > BTW, I disagree wholeheartedly with Chuck's assessment
> > of the Ten-Tec radio. I don't believe his opinion was in
> > any way (perhaps other than with respect to price) well
> > considered. The Orion appears to have a number of
> > features and performance characteristics that just can't
> > be had in radio's found in a lower price class.
> >
> > 73 de Mike, W4EF...........................................
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <wb8jkr@juno.com>
> > To: <k6rix@arrl.net>
> > Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 12:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> >
> >
> > > I don't *think* he called anybody a moron, I think he was
> > > substituding the word "moron" for "orion"
> > >
> > > 73,  Mark  WB8JKR
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:01:21 -0800 "Dino Darling" <k6rix@arrl.net>
> > > writes:
> > > > You have one vote to ban Chuck from this list.  I certainly don't
see
> > > > where
> > > > his comments contribute to the discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Dino...K6RIX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chuck K8CPA" <k8cpa@arrl.net>
> > > > To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:16 AM
> > > > Subject: [Amps] (no subject)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > you mean the ten-tec MORON? anyone that pays that kind of price
> > > > for a
> > > > > ten-tec or any other radio for that matter is a Moron.
> > > > >
> > > > > and besides all that, you got to put a brick on top the radio,
> > > > otherwise,
> > > > > it'll drift off your desk! ;-P
> > > > >
> > > > > The best solution!  GET A KENWOOD! Preferable a TS-950SDX!
> > > > >
> > > > > 73 and good luck in the contest!
> > > > >
> > > > > -Chuck K8CPA
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. what does this have to do with amps in the first place????
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
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> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:54:52 -0800
> > From: dan hearn <dhearn@ix.netcom.com>
> > Reply-To: dhearn@ix.netcom.com
> > To: Mike Wapner <MWapner@vetronix.com>
> > CC: "'amps@contesting.com'" <amps@contesting.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] FT-1000D  Band Data Jack
> >
> > Try this location  http://www.therfc.com/dinconn.htm     73, Dan, N5AR
> >
> > Mike Wapner wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for a source for the "special" 8-pin DIN plug with the tab to
> > > activate the internal connector switch which isolates pin 8 from
ground.
> > > Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks & 73, Mike-K6QD
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Amps mailing list
> > > Amps@contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps
> >
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> >
> > Message: 18
> > From: "Paul Noble" <w4doa@hotmail.com>
> > To: Amps@contesting.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:32:51 -0500
> > Subject: [Amps] RE: K8CPA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 12-24-02
> >
> > Merry Christmas, even to Chuck who has taken a 3.898 comment, designed
to
> up
> > set people that are ten tec fans, and to promote it to a new level,
> leading
> > to the upseting of a large number of people in several nations.
> >
> > I personally have had several ten tec's and find them an excellant
radio.
> > However, I understand others live for conflict. So it is, even in radio
on
> > Christmas.
> >
> > This is my take on this....I don't think it was/is personal, simply a
> > conflict starting statement.
> >
> > I think the statements made on this listing regarding Eimac was much
more
> > deflamatory than Chuck's comments.
> >
> > 73, Peace and relaxation for the season, let the feathers settle.
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 19
> > Reply-To: "RICK COLE" <vk3ym@primus.com.au>
> > From: "RICK COLE" <vk3ym@iprimus.com.au>
> > To: <Amps@contesting.com>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:49:41 +1100
> > Subject: [Amps] Merry Xmas
> >
> > It's Xmas Day and the Turkey, Prawns and Scallops went down well with =
> > the Scotch..and the present I got WOWWW!!!!
> > Merry Xmas all and thanks for the help over the past year.
> >               Rick VK3YM
> >
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> > Message: 20
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] K8CPA
> > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 07:11:13 -0800
> > From: Rich <2@vc.net>
> > To: "Dino Darling" <k6rix@arrl.net>, "AMPS" <amps@contesting.com>
> >
> >  Jackbooting anyone off of a mailing list is an open invitation for
> > him/her to play the Persecution Card,
> > The best censor is the members of AMPS themselves.   This is
accomplished
> > by limiting responses and avoiding ad hominems,
> >
> > >You have one vote to ban Chuck from this list.  I certainly don't see
> where
> > >his comments contribute to the discussion.
> > >
> > >Dino...K6RIX
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Chuck K8CPA" <k8cpa@arrl.net>
> > >To: <amps@contesting.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:16 AM
> > >Subject: [Amps] (no subject)
> > >
> > >
> > >> you mean the ten-tec MORON? anyone that pays that kind of price for a
> > >> ten-tec or any other radio for that matter is a Moron.
> > >>
> > >> and besides all that, you got to put a brick on top the radio,
> otherwise,
> > >> it'll drift off your desk! ;-P
> > >>
> > >> The best solution!  GET A KENWOOD! Preferable a TS-950SDX!
> > >>
> > >> 73 and good luck in the contest!
> > >>
> > >> -Chuck K8CPA
> > >>
> > >> P.S. what does this have to do with amps in the first place????
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > -  Rich..., 805.386.3734, www.vcnet.com/measures.
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Subject: RE: [Amps] K8CPA
> > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 07:16:56 -0800
> > From: Rich <2@vc.net>
> > To: "Joe Subich, K4IK" <k4ik@subich.com>, "AMPS" <amps@contesting.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >This thread ends right here ...
> > >
> > >There is no reason for responding to an obvious effort
> > >to stir up trouble and further public postings will be
> > >dealt with accordingly.
> > >
> > **  some people either fail to see the obvious -- or maybe they enjoy
> > hair-pulling and watching WWF wrestling  on TV when they ain't postin'
on
> > the Internet?
> >
> > cheers, Joe.
> >
> > -  Rich..., 805.386.3734, www.vcnet.com/measures.
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
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