From jjones@etex.net Fri Feb 1 04:16:33 2002 From: jjones@etex.net (Jimmy Jones) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:16:33 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Wanted Message-ID: <00ea01c1aad7$3c5fdad0$a49c46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C1AAA4.F115A2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wanted 3CX1200D N5IFI ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C1AAA4.F115A2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C1AAA4.F115A2D0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From rparker@dccnet.com Fri Feb 1 05:35:42 2002 From: rparker@dccnet.com (Ralph Parker) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:35:42 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 parts needed Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020131213542.0084e9d0@pop3.dccnet.com> Hi Gang: I should get this thing going. But first, I need: Filament xfmr, p/n 54-238 Multimeter, p/n 407-146 (I think the plate current meter, p/n 407-145, has the same specs) Anyone have reasonably priced parts? (I know the Harbach route is not available at the moment) VE7XF -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wy6k@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 06:41:29 2002 From: wy6k@yahoo.com (Michael Watts) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:41:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020131213542.0084e9d0@pop3.dccnet.com> Message-ID: <20020201064129.27689.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Why is the Harbach route not available right now? --- Ralph Parker wrote: > > Hi Gang: > I should get this thing going. But first, I need: > > Filament xfmr, p/n 54-238 > Multimeter, p/n 407-146 > (I think the plate current meter, p/n 407-145, has the same specs) > > Anyone have reasonably priced parts? > (I know the Harbach route is not available at the moment) > > VE7XF > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Fri Feb 1 08:35:30 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (g8gsq@qsl.net) Date: 1 Feb 2002 08:35:30 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] 1: 150W Transformer Message-ID: <20020201083530.eltac@free-online> Sorry if my replies are late for a while, spamcop has the UK offline again. >-----Original Message----- >From: Radio WC6W >To: 2@mail.vcnet.com <2@mail.vcnet.com>; amps@contesting.com > >Date: 31 January 2002 19:17 >Subject: Re: [AMPS] 1:3 150W wideband RF transformer >>On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:44:24 -0800 rich <2@mail.vcnet.com> writes: >> >>> >Hi Rich, >>> > Did you ever try a (ferrite loaded) coaxial line transformer for >>that spot? >>> > >>> No >>> >>> > Three sections of coax (150 ohm or as close to it as you can find) >>> >with the input ends connected in parallel and the outputs connected >>in >>> >series. >>> > >>> This sounds interesting, Marv. Is a ferrite tube used? >> >> If you happen to find one of the correct dimensions... otherwise, just >>string a handful of beads on the coax. > >The key is to get enough inductance in the screen of the coaxes so that the >output end is floating - this makes it easier stepping down rather than up. >At VHF, length alone is often enough. > >Steve > > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Fri Feb 1 11:36:56 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:36:56 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? References: <20020201064129.27689.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c1ab14$c11bba40$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> WA4DRU SK ...believe a W8 took over his Heath mods business... Al passed last Fall. k4oj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Watts" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? > > Why is the Harbach route not available right now? > > --- Ralph Parker wrote: > > > > Hi Gang: > > I should get this thing going. But first, I need: > > > > Filament xfmr, p/n 54-238 > > Multimeter, p/n 407-146 > > (I think the plate current meter, p/n 407-145, has the same specs) > > > > Anyone have reasonably priced parts? > > (I know the Harbach route is not available at the moment) > > > > VE7XF > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 1 11:38:34 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (rich) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:38:34 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 parts needed Message-ID: <200202011137.g11BbWVw011123@contesting.com> > >Hi Gang: >I should get this thing going. But first, I need: > >Filament xfmr, p/n 54-238 When a tube grid/fil. shorts in a SB-220, the unfused 5v filament/relay 110v PS transformer usually melts down. To prevent this possibility with the new transformer, convert the cutoff bias method from voltage-cutoff to resistor-cutoff, [see article on my Web site] >Multimeter, p/n 407-146 >(I think the plate current meter, p/n 407-145, has the same specs) > They are both 200uA movements. The same movement was also used in other Heathkits. >... good luck, Ralph - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Fri Feb 1 12:27:27 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:27:27 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? References: <20020201064129.27689.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c1ab14$c11bba40$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <001501c1ab1b$d00f12c0$2e211c18@tampabay.rr.com> Harbach 's business was taken over by Jeff Weinberg, W8CQ. His url is www.harbachelectronics.com. Unfortunately, Jeff is out of service for the moment due to medical problems. You can pull up his website and get all the info he has posted.have a good day. carl / kz5ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim White, K4OJ" To: "Michael Watts" ; Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? > > WA4DRU SK > > ...believe a W8 took over his Heath mods business... > > Al passed last Fall. > > k4oj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Watts" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:41 PM > Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? > > > > > > Why is the Harbach route not available right now? > > > > --- Ralph Parker wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang: > > > I should get this thing going. But first, I need: > > > > > > Filament xfmr, p/n 54-238 > > > Multimeter, p/n 407-146 > > > (I think the plate current meter, p/n 407-145, has the same specs) > > > > > > Anyone have reasonably priced parts? > > > (I know the Harbach route is not available at the moment) > > > > > > VE7XF > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kb7ww@easystreet.com Fri Feb 1 12:33:34 2002 From: kb7ww@easystreet.com (Arthur Moe) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:33:34 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks to all Message-ID: <3C5A8B1E.75045621@easystreet.com> I would like to thank all who took time to answer my question about what materials can be used in a RF field. Art KB7WW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W4EF@dellroy.com Fri Feb 1 17:50:01 2002 From: W4EF@dellroy.com (Mike) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:50:01 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] RCD HV Resistors from Ameritron Message-ID: <02b001c1ab48$e0b86360$6401a8c0@1800XP> I bought some RCD175P 10 Ohm/10 Watt "High Voltage" resistors from Ameritron. Does anyone know what the voltage and pulse rating is for these parts? Per the RCD website, they look like they might be surge rated "low cost" wirewound resistors, but I am not real sure. The guy in the parts department at Ameritron wasn't real sure what the ratings were. Thanks, Mike, W4EF......................................... -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kkanakas@cisco.com Fri Feb 1 17:58:32 2002 From: kkanakas@cisco.com (krishna) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:58:32 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] TL-922A questions Message-ID: <3C5AD748.635A975F@cisco.com> Hi all, Sorry, i am slightly off topic from an indepth amp tech discussion. Looks like the AL-811H is on backorder in some stores. I checked with texas towers and the wait time is about 4-6 weeks. Now i have some questions on an offer i have. A kenwood TL-922A in fair condition with some scratches on the sides. Needs replacement tubes , but puts out around 800w. The idea of the fat 3-500Z tubes are a luring factor over the 811's. :) I have some questions. 1) I understand that the 922 needs the 240V supply to run at peak. But can i still use it at the sub KW level on the 110V supply. 2) Someday, if i get to replace those expensive tubes, can i keep the drive from the exciter quite low, so that the amp will not put over 1KW. Any harm in doing that.? 3) What would one pay for this amp.? I understand that it is subjective, but i am shopping for my first amp and i have no basis to judge. I did a quick search on the net and have seen prices all the way from $800/obo to $1200. Folks might ask why i want an overkill solution? Well, if i ever get to have the shack rewired for 240V, then i already have the legal limit amp. :) thanks to you all for the time & advice. 73's krish w4/vu2vku -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jtml@lanl.gov Fri Feb 1 19:59:49 2002 From: jtml@lanl.gov (John T. M. Lyles) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:59:49 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] insulator posts, HV breakdown Message-ID: With respect to failing insulators: The moisture ingress into the porcelan post insulators is probably a factor, if they are unglazed on the ends. There are two other reasons to consider, that could also cause rapid breakdown of the insulators: If they have metallized ends, sometimes the edge of the metallization is sharp enough to cause some field enhancement around the points. This leads to partial discharge, eventually corona, eventually bank. We had a number of brown porcelan posts breakdown with very high voltage, after 20 years of normal operation. Turns out that in a bright light, you could see the streamer marks on the glazed surface, which was indicative of breakdown along the surface. Going to some machined polymer posts made from Polysuflone seems to have fixed it two years ago. There is another phenomina which kills post insulators. If there is a trapped air space at the end of the metal screw, and there are metal screws at each side, even if the ceramic is solid in the center, there is high chance of partial discharge occuring inside this space. It will be only time before it blows up, as the air becomes ionized and eats away at the thing. You can tell if you remove the screws later and see surface corrosion on the tip. For instance, a brass screw might have greenish deposits. A polymer post WILL fail from the ozone over time, ceramic holds up better. Whenever I use small steatite ceramic post insulators, for hv up to say, 5 kV, I try and use nylon screws to prevent E fields from enhancing at the air space inside. When we make polymer insulators, or G4, G7, G10 glass/epoxy insulators, we drill tiny air holes at the inner end of the screw threads. Then apply some silicone RTV sealant (clear, red, white, etc.) to the hole, screw in the fastener, and the excess goop will squirt out of the weep hole. This ensures that you have filled the cavity. Doesn't hurt for keeping screws tight too. Having done this for years, I rarely have seen failures anymore. This works with RF, DC, AC. John K5PRO -- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 1 20:37:50 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (rich) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:37:50 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] TL-922A questions Message-ID: <200202012036.g11KabVw021111@contesting.com> > >Hi all, > > Sorry, i am slightly off topic from an indepth amp tech discussion. > > Looks like the AL-811H is on backorder in some stores. > I checked with texas towers and the wait time is about > 4-6 weeks. > > Now i have some questions on an offer i have. > > A kenwood TL-922A in fair condition with some > scratches on the sides. Needs replacement tubes , but > puts out around 800w. > > The idea of the fat 3-500Z tubes are a luring factor over the 811's. :) > 3-500Zs have >2 x the voltage and emissive capability of the 811A. They also have less grid-lead-L, so they tend to be less squirrely in g-g service. > I have some questions. >1) I understand that the 922 needs the 240V supply to > run at peak. But can i still use it at the sub KW level on > the 110V supply. A 20A, 120V mains circuit works ok and the power difference is small on SSB. > >2) Someday, if i get to replace those expensive tubes, can > i keep the drive from the exciter quite low, so that the > amp will not put over 1KW. Any harm in doing that.? > The tank is designed to run with 600 - 800 mA peaks. >3) What would one pay for this amp.? I understand that > it is subjective, but i am shopping for my first amp and > i have no basis to judge. I did a quick search on the net > and have seen prices all the way from $800/obo to $1200. > In good condition with the needed mods, they are worth >$1200. These mods are covered in an article about the 922 on my Web site. >Folks might ask why i want an overkill solution? > Well, if i ever get to have the shack rewired for 240V, then i >already have the legal limit amp. :) > But no one at the RX end would see the difference. >thanks to you all for the time & advice. cheers, Krish - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From rar@uniserve.com Fri Feb 1 21:45:07 2002 From: rar@uniserve.com (rick rosner) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:45:07 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] AMP/TUNER PARTS Message-ID: <001801c1ab69$b85cf4a0$1096c8cf@cs943486a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1AB26.A8EB89C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FOR SALE:=20 KENWOOD TS-830s 160-10 METERS( WARC BANDS),EXTRA FINALS,MC-50 = MIC,MANUAL =3D $500 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- 6 X 4-1000's & 1 X 4PR1000 1 X PETER DAHL FILLAMENT TRANSFORMER 5 V @ 30 A 2 X SK-500 AIR SYSTEM SOCKETS 2 X (SK-510?) CHASSIS FLUSH MOUNT SOCKETS 10 X 5/16 x 7" FERRITE RODS=20 1 X DAYTON BLOWER PACKAGE PRICE =3D $ 800 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------- ALL JENNINGS UCSLPA 750 VACUUM VARIABLE 7-750 pF @ 3kV $ 130 UCSLX 750 750 pF VOLTAGE UNKNOWN $ 80 UCSL-1000-3S 7-1000 pF@ 5 kV $130 UCSL-750 750pF @ 5 KV $ 130 UCSL-750 750 pF @3 KV $130 UCSX 20- 675 pF @ 10 KV MOTORIZED $ 180 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------- B&W 3854 60 uH ROLLER INDUCTOR $ 80 2 X 25 uH EDGE WOUND ROLLER INDUCTORS $ 120 each -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- 6 X 6146's $ 70 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------- ALL PRICES IN U. S. 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KENWOOD TS-830s  160-10 METERS( = WARC=20 BANDS),EXTRA FINALS,MC-50 MIC,MANUAL =3D  $500
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 UCSLPA 750 VACUUM VARIABLE 7-750 = pF  @=20 3kV         $ 130
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1AB26.A8EB89C0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kc5ajx@hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 01:30:51 2002 From: kc5ajx@hotmail.com (Rick Bullon) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:30:51 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? Message-ID: I just checked W8CQ's website and as of 2/01/02 he is opened for business again. 73 KC5AJX >> >Harbach 's business was taken over by Jeff Weinberg, W8CQ. His url is >www.harbachelectronics.com. Unfortunately, Jeff is out of service for the >moment due to medical problems. You can pull up his website and get all the >info he has posted.have a good day. > carl / kz5ca _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w8cqjeff@tds.net Sat Feb 2 01:50:56 2002 From: w8cqjeff@tds.net (Jeff Weinberg W8CQ) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:50:56 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? References: Message-ID: <00a401c1ab8c$0e4bbbe0$91b8aad8@w8cq1> Hi Rick, Thanks, Jeff Weinberg W8CQ Harbach Electronics 317-892-2641 harbachelectronics@tds.net http://www.harbachelectronics.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bullon" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [AMPS] What happened to Harbach? > > I just checked W8CQ's website and as of 2/01/02 he is opened for business > again. > 73 > KC5AJX > > > >> > >Harbach 's business was taken over by Jeff Weinberg, W8CQ. His url is > >www.harbachelectronics.com. Unfortunately, Jeff is out of service for the > >moment due to medical problems. You can pull up his website and get all the > >info he has posted.have a good day. > > carl / kz5ca > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kc5vdj@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 02:35:53 2002 From: kc5vdj@yahoo.com (Jim Bryant) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:35:53 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] bias regulator References: <200201301753.g0UHrpVw020269@contesting.com> Message-ID: <3C5B5089.3070109@yahoo.com> Rich wrote: > - In some primative tribes of New Guinea, men wear phallocarps -- i. e., > holsters used to protect male equipment from thorns and brambles on > jungle trails. > - See *Discover* magazine, "April, 1985.pp,70-83 - "Everything Else You > Always Wanted to Know About Sex . . . But That We Were Afraid to Ask". > by Jared Diamond: > quoting: > " ... Phallocarps vary in length (up to two feet), diameter (up to four > inches), shape (curved or straight), ... ... ... Each man has a > wardrobe of several sizes and shapes. Western male anthropologists > interpret the phallocarp as something worn for modesty or concealment, to > which my wife had a succinct rebuttal: "The most immodest display of > modesty I've ever seen!" Two feet?! I mean I've been in a few "mine is bigger than yours" arguments before, but... I take sides with your wife on this one... jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! ----------------------------------------------------- POWER TO THE PEOPLE! ----------------------------------------------------- "Religious fundamentalism is the biggest threat to international security that exists today." United Nations Secretary General B.B.Ghali, 1995 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From LHNDMW@aol.com Sat Feb 2 02:53:23 2002 From: LHNDMW@aol.com (LHNDMW@aol.com) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:53:23 EST Subject: [AMPS] Oil capacitor mounting Message-ID: <153.834d35a.298caea3@aol.com> I have a GE 32uF 4500V oil capacitor that I would like to mount with the connections (insulated posts) facing down. Is this OK? The cap has no PCB's but is there an increased chance of leakage? Thanks for any advice David KM5TZ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w5na@megagate.com Sat Feb 2 03:40:04 2002 From: w5na@megagate.com (J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:40:04 -0600 Subject: Fw: [AMPS] Oil capacitor mounting Message-ID: <001d01c1ab9b$4fb495c0$c4620e41@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Oil capacitor mounting > David check your E-Mail as I have transmitted to you an E-Mail with an > attachment (Product Bulletin) on that series of capacitors I received > from GE's manufacturing facility in New York where that product is > manufactured. You will need the adobe reader to read it but it is > excellent and easy to read. > > If there are others out there that need it, please E-Mail me and I'll > forward it to you. > > 73, > J. Leon Pringle, Jr W 5 N A > E-Mail: w5na@mdxa.org > w5na@megagate.com > pringle50@home.com > > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kc5vdj@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 05:52:58 2002 From: kc5vdj@yahoo.com (Jim Bryant) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:52:58 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Porcelain standoffs References: <3C599AEA.DDB6AA26@jcleeve.idps.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C5B7EBA.3040303@yahoo.com> Cleeve wrote: > A possible alternative, would be to use Pyrex glass tube, I believe > that I have mentioned this before. The Pyrex tube is available from > laboratory supply houses, in 1 metre lengths, and in many diameters, and > wall thickness. To make a stand off insulator, you would have to cut the > tube to the appropriate length, insert a tapped plug of suitable > material into each end of the cut length, and there you have it, a stand > off insulator..... most chemistry, and biology laboratories have a glass > technician, to make up their "glass circuitry" and perhaps some discrete > enquiries, in the medical facilities in your area, may yield suitable > help from a previously unknown source......good luck, sincerely, John > Cleeve. G3JVC. Just be prepared to have the Drug Enforcement Agency pay you a visit if you live in the USA. Too many Methamphetamine labs using the stuff here to go unnoticed, not to mention that if some redneck goes into one of these places asking for chemical/biological grade tubing the FBI might pay a visit too, we have had some of those problems lately. Our far right is pretty extreme, and are suspected for sending anthrax to Democratic leaders. Twenty/Thirty years ago the world was a less f**ked-up place, at least everyone knew where the other guy stood. Sorry for the reality check folks, but someone had to point out the facts. All such purchases should be scrutinized, with good reason. jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! ----------------------------------------------------- POWER TO THE PEOPLE! ----------------------------------------------------- "Religious fundamentalism is the biggest threat to international security that exists today." United Nations Secretary General B.B.Ghali, 1995 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w4th@hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 07:28:21 2002 From: w4th@hotmail.com (Tom Hix) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:28:21 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] 3-500zg tubes for sale Message-ID:

Hello Friends;

I received a new shipment of 3-500zg tubes this week. They are all gone but the last 2 tubes. I would like to find a good home for these so I can order some more.

Every one of these tubes have been toughly tested. That is the ONLY time the tubes were removed from their factory shipping boxes. I have sold many many dozens of these tubes and I have never had to replace even one of them. By the way I do warranty these tubes, and I offer a no questions asked exchange or refund warranty. If you get the tubes and for ANY REASON (other than you drop it on your shack floor and break it hi hi) I will exchange for a new tube or give a refund, whichever you prefer. But I seriously doubt you will have any trouble.

If you would like to see some of my references just go to my web site and go down about 2/3 of the way down the page until you see the reference section.

Now down to the nitty gritty................Price......$110.00 ea. plus shipping. I dont think you will find a better price on a brand new 3-500zg tube.

I also have new Svetlana 811-a tubes.  These tubes will run in EVERY amp that uses 811-a tubes. They WILL RUN both VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY..

I also have plenty of 4cx800a/gu74b tubes, and sk1a sockets for the 4cx800a/gu74b tubes. I have the gs-35b, tubes, gs31b, and many others so check out my web site.

Thanks for your time and 73.

Tom................w4th

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-- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w4th@hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 08:05:13 2002 From: w4th@hotmail.com (Tom Hix) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 02:05:13 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions Message-ID:

I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.

I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.

Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.

I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes with something they can afford. 

I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about    building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and repairing amps.

SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set of sockets.

The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen.

If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these beautiful old amps.

Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.

73

Tom Hix..................w4th


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-- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From oz1pif@get2net.dk Sat Feb 2 10:02:21 2002 From: oz1pif@get2net.dk (Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:02:21 +0100 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions References: Message-ID: <004101c1abd0$b4d21a60$0100a8be@oz1pif> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1ABD9.167E1860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really doubt that the excellent Gi7b(t) tube will do what Tom is = stating, I know the tube well and I'm using it in a 144MHz amp. It is, = as Tom states, a very robust and abuse tolerant tube, but this is really = pushing it beyond whats credible. Specs say 350W, Ft over 1GHz, and 2.5KV in class C. It is a Russian = military tube built like a tank, and indeed designed for use in tank = radars. The tube will take a lot af abuse without apparent short term = ill effect. I run a single tube at 2.1KV and 400mA class AB giving out some 425W on = 144MHz when running SSB or CW, and 300W+ when running WSJT (100% output = , 30s on 30s off), using just an 18w muffin fan for cooling! Before I got the design stabilized I had a lot of violent flashovers and = other mishaps, but the tube has withstood all of that plus two incidents = of near meltdown (as a result of accidentially overdriving (50W instead = of 10W in WSJT mode)), and is still running at full spec. The tube was = litterally red hot both times, and took some minutes to cool down again, = whereupon I could resume normal operation. What happens with my design = and this tube is a thermal runaway: as the tube gets hotter is becomes = mistuned, and the output is reduced to almost NIL, while the tube sucks = up all the mAs that the powersupply will give, dissipating (or rather = not dissipating) everything as heat. Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter ********** OZ1PIF ************** email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *********************************** ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Hix=20 To: amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions Snip.... I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of = the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes = are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 = watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site = about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that = ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to = make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on = the pair of gi7b tubes.=20 Snip snip...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1ABD9.167E1860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really doubt that the excellent = Gi7b(t) tube will=20 do what Tom is stating, I know the tube well and I'm using it in a = 144MHz amp.=20 It is, as Tom states, a very robust and abuse tolerant tube, but this is = really=20 pushing it beyond whats credible.
 
Specs say 350W, Ft over 1GHz, and 2.5KV = in class C.=20 It is a Russian military tube built like a tank, and indeed designed for = use in=20 tank radars. The tube will take a lot af abuse without apparent short = term ill=20 effect.
 
I run a single tube at 2.1KV and 400mA = class AB=20 giving out some 425W on 144MHz when running SSB or CW, and 300W+ when = running=20 WSJT (100% output , 30s on 30s off), using just an 18w muffin fan for=20 cooling!
 
Before I got the design stabilized I = had a lot of=20 violent flashovers and other mishaps, but the tube has withstood all of = that=20 plus two incidents of near meltdown (as a result of accidentially = overdriving=20 (50W instead of 10W in WSJT mode)), and is still running at full spec. = The tube=20 was litterally red hot both times, and took some minutes to cool down = again,=20 whereupon I could resume normal operation. What happens with my design = and this=20 tube is a thermal runaway: as the tube gets hotter is becomes mistuned, = and the=20 output is reduced to almost NIL, while the tube sucks up all the mAs = that the=20 powersupply will give, dissipating (or rather not dissipating) = everything as=20 heat.
 
Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter
 
**********  OZ1PIF **************
email:=20 oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk
http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif<= BR>Ph.=20 +45 4619 3239
Snailmail:
Peter Frenning
Ternevej 23
DK-4130 = Viby=20 Sj.
Denmark
***********************************
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Hix
Sent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 9:05=20 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 = tube=20 conversions

Snip....

I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of = the=20 people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont want=20 to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are = really heavy=20 duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending = on=20 voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion = a=20 friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He = put in a=20 pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.

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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1ABD9.167E1860-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wd0ct@networksplus.net Sat Feb 2 12:41:59 2002 From: wd0ct@networksplus.net (Steven Moore) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:41:59 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Oil capacitor mounting References: <153.834d35a.298caea3@aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c1abe7$030d8fa0$2620e9cc@SteveMoore> Hi David, I would think it would increase the chance for a leak. The sangamo in my buddie's Loudenboomer lays down and is now leaking from around the crimp on top. Anybody have a suitable replacement for sale? Here are the measurements and specs: 8mfd at 3000 volts case length is 7-1/2 inches overall length is 8-3/4 width is 3-5/8 height is 4-1/2 terminal spacing is 2 These measurements would be for an ideal replacement. If he removes the original mounting brackets then other sizes would fit. He wants to keep it as stock as possible. 73 Steve wd0ct ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: [AMPS] Oil capacitor mounting > > I have a GE 32uF 4500V oil capacitor that I would like to mount with the connections (insulated posts) facing down. Is this OK? The cap has no PCB's but is there an increased chance of leakage? > > Thanks for any advice > > David > KM5TZ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jjones@etex.net Sat Feb 2 15:14:57 2002 From: jjones@etex.net (Jimmy Jones) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:14:57 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions References: Message-ID: <00a201c1abfc$608a4ff0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C1ABCA.154017F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You can't do = it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that deal. N5IFI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Hix=20 To: amps=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the = Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are = really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.=20 I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of = the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes = are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 = watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site = about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that = ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to = make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on = the pair of gi7b tubes.=20 Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up = so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if = there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there = are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good = choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes. I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like = the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much = that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube = these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing = this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for = these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace the tubes with something they can afford.=20 I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about building = amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to = learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very = best at building and repairing amps. SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if = the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If = someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in = it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b = tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a = matching set of sockets. The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them = and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the = cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my = cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the = person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and = a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want = this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who = want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So = if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can = send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would = love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older = Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another = tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen. If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and = we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with = these beautiful old amps. Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome. 73 Tom Hix..................w4th Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur = Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & = coax antenna switches.=20 http://www.tomstubes.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click = Here -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: = amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com = Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C1ABCA.154017F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What a deal. You are just like = everyone else=20 in the world. You can't do it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S = NOT WORTH=20 ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and = sockets at no=20 cost for that deal.
N5IFI
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Hix
To: amps
Sent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 2:05=20 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 = tube=20 conversions

I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to = the=20 Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are = really=20 neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.

I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of = the=20 people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont want=20 to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are = really heavy=20 duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending = on=20 voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion = a=20 friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He = put in a=20 pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.

Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so=20 high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if = there is a=20 substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no = direct=20 replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as = replacements=20 for the 8874 tubes.

I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good = amp like=20 the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes = have gone up so=20 much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to = retube=20 these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners = facing=20 this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using=20 their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube=20 their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another tube=20 they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these = owners to=20 decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes = with=20 something they can afford. 

I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more = about   =20 building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, = fat, dumb=20 and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list = are the=20 very best at building and repairing amps.

SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if = the=20 gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone = who=20 knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and = they want=20 to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set = of=20 sockets.

The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send=20 them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically = fit into=20 the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets = at my=20 cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the = person=20 who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a = full set=20 of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I = can share=20 it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change = out=20 their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what = you are=20 doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of = the=20 project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could = be done,=20 and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really = appreciate=20 finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will = take to=20 make it happen.

If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply = and we=20 will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible=20 or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these = beautiful=20 old amps.

Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.

73

Tom Hix..................w4th


Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. = Specializing=20 in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local = ladderline & coax antenna switches.

http://www.tomstubes.com



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-- = FAQ on=20 WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: = amps@contesting.com=20 Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems:=20 owner-amps@contesting.com ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C1ABCA.154017F0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Ian White, G3SEK" References: <004101c1abd0$b4d21a60$0100a8be@oz1pif> Message-ID: Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF wrote: >I really doubt that the excellent Gi7b(t) tube will do what Tom is >stating, I know the tube well and I'm using it in a 144MHz amp. It is, >as Tom states, a very robust and abuse tolerant tube, but this is >really pushing it beyond whats credible. >  >Specs say 350W, Ft over 1GHz, and 2.5KV in class C. It is a Russian >military tube built like a tank, and indeed designed for use in tank >radars. The tube will take a lot af abuse without apparent short term >ill effect. >  >I run a single tube at 2.1KV and 400mA class AB giving out some 425W on >144MHz when running SSB or CW, and 300W+ when running WSJT (100% output >, 30s on 30s off), using just an 18w muffin fan for cooling! Part of the problem with using a GI7 as a 3CX400 substitute in an existing amp is the massive sand-cast anode cooler, which takes up a lot of space and is really not very efficient - it only works because it's so big. The rest of the tube is also quite a lot taller than the 3CX400, both above and below the chassis, so I don't know how it might fit into an Alpha 76 and 78. Then there are the different DC conditions and load impedances to think about... However, one thing that might help would be to remove the anode cooler from the GI7b, and graft on the Eimac anode cooler from one of those dead 3CX400s. The cooler of the GI7b simply unscrews, leaving a flat external anode surface with a threaded post in the middle. The cooler of a dead ceramic tube can be removed by squeezing the grid ring hard in a vice to crack the ceramic, and then repeating from a different angle until it cracks all around. (This is much less likely to damage the cooler than hitting the tube with a hammer!) Holding the anode cooler in the lathe chuck, turn off the flared metal flange with broken bits of ceramic attached, and there you have a nice compact air-cooled heat exchanger that is good for 400 watts. I've tried this with a dead 4CX250 (squeeze the screen ring) and it really is quite easy. The inside of the cooler was the original anode surface of the vacuum tube, and is a plain round cylinder... or at least, it was for the 4CX250; some tubes have slots in the anode surface to act as secondary electron traps, so the rest of this idea wouldn't work for those. My idea - which I never got around to completing - was to make a "top-hat" shaped slug of copper which would be a very close fit inside the cooler, and had a flat base to bear down on the anode surface of the GI7. A hole right through the center of the slug would be needed to take the threaded post and screw the whole thing down firmly. If this slug was turned to a very good surface finish, and made to be a shrink fit inside the Eimac cooler (cold slug slid into heated cooler) it would ensure good thermal contact. In normal use, the slug would always be the hotter part and would expand to an even tighter fit. I hope this description makes sense, particularly to anyone who has ever seen a GI7b or cracked open an Eimac tube. It was only an idea, but it might be worth trying... -- 73 from Ian G3SEK Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book' 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB) http://www.ifwtech.com/g3sek -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w2ge@home.com Sat Feb 2 15:49:51 2002 From: w2ge@home.com (Phil Levin W2GE) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:49:51 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Gi6B's Message-ID: <000001c1ac01$404eb7d0$6401a8c0@PAL1> Seeing as how the gi7B tube conversion thread has come up, I have a pair of gi6B tubes' which is VERY similar to the gi6b except it is rated up to 18cm vs. 9cm for the gi7b. This pair is brand new@&$ and I will let them go for any reasonable offer... Cheap! I had thought about installing them in a SB200 carcass to use for a 6 meter amp. In fact I have a SB200 with brand new Harbach Power supply, Harbach keying module, etc... if anyone is interested. Tank circuit has been modified and all band switching has been removed. It is an aborted 6 meter attempt!!!@$ Thanks, Phil L. W2GE -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w5na@megagate.com Sat Feb 2 16:35:08 2002 From: w5na@megagate.com (J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:35:08 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions Message-ID: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> N5IFI Let me go on record as I'm not one of the broad class of people (everyone) in the world who subscribes to your views. Your post was in bad taste, rude and uncalled for. I've made one business transaction with W4TH in my life and that was in the past week and I found him to be one of the nicest people to do business with on Ham Radio Products I have personally dealt with in my 55+ years as a radio amateur. Obviously he operates a small business on a very low overhead but my personal dealing with him have been very positive. I certainly hope you are in the minority of all the world amateurs you purport to speak for in you smart comments as they are offensive to me. God help us as a group if your views are the norm. Tom ignore the comments as I don't share them 73, J. Leon Pringle, Jr W5NA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jjones@etex.net Sat Feb 2 17:53:56 2002 From: jjones@etex.net (Jimmy Jones) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:53:56 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions References: <00a201c1abfc$608a4ff0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> <026101c1ac0e$391ff5c0$2620e9cc@SteveMoore> Message-ID: <012101c1ac12$969e7380$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C1ABE0.4B205A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I have. N5IFI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steven Moore=20 To: Jimmy Jones=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions N5IFI, =20 Let's see here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit = you can send them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better = offers lately? =20 Steve wd0ct ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jimmy Jones=20 To: AMPS ; Tom Hix=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You can't = do it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that deal. N5IFI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Hix=20 To: amps=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to = the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These = are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.=20 I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many = of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, = who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These = tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to = 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my = site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp = that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able = to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out = on the pair of gi7b tubes.=20 Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if = there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there = are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good = choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes. I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp = like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so = much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to = retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners = facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to = stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for = these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace the tubes with something they can afford.=20 I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about = building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and = lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are = the very best at building and repairing amps. SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see = if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If = someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in = it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b = tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a = matching set of sockets. The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send = them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the = cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my = cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the = person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and = a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want = this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who = want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So = if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can = send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would = love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older = Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another = tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen. If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply = and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is = even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys = with these beautiful old amps. Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome. 73 Tom Hix..................w4th Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur = Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & = coax antenna switches.=20 http://www.tomstubes.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: = Click Here -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: = amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com = Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C1ABE0.4B205A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually,
I have.
 
N5IFI
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steven=20 Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 11:22=20 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78 tube=20 conversions

N5IFI,
 
Let's see here--new tubes and sockets = at cost and=20 if they don't fit you can send them back. What's wrong with that? = You had=20 any better offers lately?
 
Steve  wd0ct
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jimmy = Jones=20
To: AMPS ; Tom = Hix
Sent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 9:14=20 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78=20 tube conversions

What a deal. You are just like = everyone=20 else in the world. You can't do it, but it can't be that hard and = hell IT'S=20 NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and = sockets at=20 no cost for that deal.
N5IFI
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom = Hix=20
To: amps
Sent: Saturday, February = 02, 2002=20 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78 tube=20 conversions

I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention = to the=20 Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These = are=20 really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.

I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for = many of the=20 people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont=20 want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes = are=20 really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 = watts=20 depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site = about the=20 conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 = 572b=20 tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a = real nice=20 amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of = gi7b=20 tubes.

Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have = gone up=20 so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know = if=20 there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course = there are=20 no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good = choice=20 as replacements for the 8874 tubes.

I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good=20 amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 = tubes=20 have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for = what it=20 would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week = from Alpha 76=20 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me = they will=20 just have to stop using their amps because they are not = willing to=20 spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have = to set=20 them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So = it is a=20 real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps = out to=20 pasture or replace the tubes with something they can = afford. 

I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more=20 about    building amps or reworking = existing=20 amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I = know=20 many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and = repairing=20 amps.

SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to = see if the=20 gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If = someone who=20 knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, = and they=20 want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I = will sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching = set of=20 sockets.

The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send=20 them and determine if the tubes and sockets will = physically fit=20 into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes = and=20 sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is = completed=20 that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the = conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the=20 conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site = with all the=20 other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to = something else=20 like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good = digital=20 camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then = contact=20 me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the = entire group=20 of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there = is=20 another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it = happen.

If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a = reply and=20 we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is = even=20 feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys = with these=20 beautiful old amps.

Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.

73

Tom Hix..................w4th


Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube = Connection.=20 Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna = Tuners, Remote=20 or local ladderline & coax antenna switches.

http://www.tomstubes.com



MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click = Here
-- FAQ on=20 WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: = amps@contesting.com=20 Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems:=20 owner-amps@contesting.com =
------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C1ABE0.4B205A40-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jjones@etex.net Sat Feb 2 18:06:08 2002 From: jjones@etex.net (Jimmy Jones) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:06:08 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: <012a01c1ac14$4a9f45c0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it. Why don't you take him up on his offer. I'll look forward to reading the article. I don't doubt that he is a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that someone else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply trying to make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell everyone who his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions > > N5IFI > > Let me go on record as I'm not one of the broad class of people > (everyone) in the world who subscribes to your views. > > Your post was in bad taste, rude and uncalled for. > > I've made one business transaction with W4TH in my life and that was > in the past week and I found him to be one of the nicest people to do > business with on Ham Radio Products I have personally dealt with in my > 55+ years as a radio amateur. Obviously he operates a small business > on a very low overhead but my personal dealing with him have been very > positive. > > I certainly hope you are in the minority of all the world amateurs you > purport to speak for in you smart comments as they are offensive to > me. God help us as a group if your views are the norm. > > Tom ignore the comments as I don't share them > > 73, > J. Leon Pringle, Jr W5NA > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Sat Feb 2 18:43:41 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:43:41 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions In-Reply-To: <012a01c1ac14$4a9f45c0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: "Jimmy Jones" writes -- >I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that someone >else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply trying to >make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell everyone who >his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? For your first point -- it's called "research." In some venues such as amateur radio, it's considered proper to share the results of one's experiments without significant renumeration. For your second point, Tom's price will not be the same as your price or my price from the same vendor. Please realize that these tubes and sockets are not made in San Carlos CA, they're made in Russia. Shipping and shipping paperwork are considerable issues. Add to that -- Tom is a repeat commercial customer, buying in quantity. You and I would be one-time, unit-one customers. It's much less cost-effective for a distributor or manufacturer to deal with an order from us than an order from Tom. That said, I'd be _VERY_ interested in Tom's cost for a pair of these tubes and a pair of sockets, for experimentation. I don't happen to have an Alpha 76, but knowing that the price of re-tubing will push the effective value of a used, tubeless 76 well into the negative value, I'd like to see the numbers. And -- if you hit the web for research as much as I do, you know that it's not difficult to fabricate sockets, and it's possible to "get lucky" on the tubes on ebay from time to time, at approx. $10 each plus about $10 each shipping from Europe. Tom, care to offer a price? Everybody knows that the price is contingent on the buyer actually having an Alpha 76 or 78 for conversion. Jay -- if _you_ had an Alpha with good tubes to convert, you could easily get a few hundred dollars for the pulls and sockets on ebay once the conversion was complete. And if you were careful, you could even develop a conversion that was reversible, with the old sockets mounted on a newly fabricated plate that could be swapped with a fabricated plate holding the old sockets. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w5na@megagate.com Sat Feb 2 19:07:34 2002 From: w5na@megagate.com (J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:07:34 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> <012a01c1ac14$4a9f45c0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> Message-ID: <005d01c1ac1c$e3b2eb60$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Mr Jones: W4TH posted clearly what he was interested in doing and it seems quite reasonable to me and I believe most others based upon E-Mail I have received since your post. If you didn't want to take him up on it, that is your business. However your uncalled for comment about how he should do things was not necessary. Nice guys apologize for transgressions of this nature. I have two amplifiers already and don't need to modify either one so that's why I didn't take him up on his offer for your information. Actually neither of my amps are the types and kind he was talking about anyway. In direct response to your other question concerning why he doesn't just tell folks who his source is I offer this response. Just this week I personally E-Mailed him asking questions about the 3-500ZG tubes he had mentioned here on the AMPS reflector and more specifically who made them and what was their country of origin. Guess what? W4TH promptly responded and informed me via E-Mail and I'm sure he would tell you the same thing about any tubes he sells. Based upon info he supplied, I purchased two from him and have installed them in a Henry 3K-A and they work beautifully and a heck of a lot better than the last 4 Eimac 3-400ZG's I purchased which shorted internally quickly after I purchased and installed them in amplifier. Based on this first time business deal I had with W4TH he was a great dealer to do business with. I'm not related to him, don't know him and to the best of my knowledge have never seen him before but in my first business dealings with him he was an excellent guy whom I'll continue to do business with. Check out his website and learn first hand how he operates instead of suggesting how he should run his business. 73, Leon W5NA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Jones" To: "AMPS" ; "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions > > Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it. > Why don't you take him up on his offer. > I'll look forward to reading the article. > I don't doubt that he is a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. > I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that someone > else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply trying to > make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell everyone who > his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? > Jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:35 AM > Subject: RE: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions > > > > > > N5IFI > > > > Let me go on record as I'm not one of the broad class of people > > (everyone) in the world who subscribes to your views. > > > > Your post was in bad taste, rude and uncalled for. > > > > I've made one business transaction with W4TH in my life and that was > > in the past week and I found him to be one of the nicest people to do > > business with on Ham Radio Products I have personally dealt with in my > > 55+ years as a radio amateur. Obviously he operates a small business > > on a very low overhead but my personal dealing with him have been very > > positive. > > > > I certainly hope you are in the minority of all the world amateurs you > > purport to speak for in you smart comments as they are offensive to > > me. God help us as a group if your views are the norm. > > > > Tom ignore the comments as I don't share them > > > > 73, > > J. Leon Pringle, Jr W5NA > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From natan@twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 2 19:30:13 2002 From: natan@twcny.rr.com (Natan Huffman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:30:13 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] New tubes Message-ID: <001c01c1ac20$0c872940$0600005a@RACHEL> I need to purchase a pair of matched 3CX800A7A's and 3-500Z. Can anyone direct me to a good source? Thanks, Natan W6XR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w3gh@kiski.net Sat Feb 2 19:54:45 2002 From: w3gh@kiski.net (Robert King) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:54:45 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> <012a01c1ac14$4a9f45c0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> <005d01c1ac1c$e3b2eb60$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: <011c01c1ac23$77cde6a0$4daec3d1@oemcomputer> Amen to that-Tom is a super gentleman. I have had only one dealing with him on a pair of 3-500zg's sent to K4ZW to hand carry to Mongolia late last year. Time was critical, and he got them to Ken just in time for the trip. Bob-w3gh > > Mr Jones: > > W4TH posted clearly what he was interested in doing and it seems quite > reasonable to me and I believe most others based upon E-Mail I have > received since your post. > > If you didn't want to take him up on it, that is your business. > However your uncalled for comment about how he should do things was > not necessary. Nice guys apologize for transgressions of this nature. > > I have two amplifiers already and don't need to modify either one so > that's why I didn't take him up on his offer for your information. > Actually neither of my amps are the types and kind he was talking > about anyway. > > In direct response to your other question concerning why he doesn't > just tell folks who his source is I offer this response. Just this > week I personally E-Mailed him asking questions about the 3-500ZG > tubes he had mentioned here on the AMPS reflector and more > specifically who made them and what was their country of origin. > Guess what? W4TH promptly responded and informed me via E-Mail and > I'm sure he would tell you the same thing about any tubes he sells. > Based upon info he supplied, I purchased two from him and have > installed them in a Henry 3K-A and they work beautifully and a heck of > a lot better than the last 4 Eimac 3-400ZG's I purchased which shorted > internally quickly after I purchased and installed them in amplifier. > > Based on this first time business deal I had with W4TH he was a great > dealer to do business with. I'm not related to him, don't know him > and to the best of my knowledge have never seen him before but in my > first business dealings with him he was an excellent guy whom I'll > continue to do business with. > > Check out his website and learn first hand how he operates instead of > suggesting how he should run his business. > > 73, > Leon W5NA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Jones" > To: "AMPS" ; "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. > Pringle" > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions > > > > > > Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it. > > Why don't you take him up on his offer. > > I'll look forward to reading the article. > > I don't doubt that he is a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. > > I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that > someone > > else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply > trying to > > make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell > everyone who > > his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle" > > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions > > > > > > > > > > N5IFI > > > > > > Let me go on record as I'm not one of the broad class of people > > > (everyone) in the world who subscribes to your views. > > > > > > Your post was in bad taste, rude and uncalled for. > > > > > > I've made one business transaction with W4TH in my life and that > was > > > in the past week and I found him to be one of the nicest people to > do > > > business with on Ham Radio Products I have personally dealt with > in my > > > 55+ years as a radio amateur. Obviously he operates a small > business > > > on a very low overhead but my personal dealing with him have been > very > > > positive. > > > > > > I certainly hope you are in the minority of all the world amateurs > you > > > purport to speak for in you smart comments as they are offensive > to > > > me. God help us as a group if your views are the norm. > > > > > > Tom ignore the comments as I don't share them > > > > > > 73, > > > J. Leon Pringle, Jr W5NA > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wd0ct@networksplus.net Sat Feb 2 20:29:37 2002 From: wd0ct@networksplus.net (Steven Moore) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:29:37 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] New tubes References: <001c01c1ac20$0c872940$0600005a@RACHEL> Message-ID: <028901c1ac28$59550d20$2620e9cc@SteveMoore> Hi Natan, You bet--Tom should be able to fix you up at good competitive prices. http://www.tomstubes.com 73 Steve wd0ct ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natan Huffman" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: [AMPS] New tubes > > I need to purchase a pair of matched 3CX800A7A's and 3-500Z. Can anyone > direct me to a good source? > > Thanks, > > Natan W6XR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From phil@vaxxine.com Sun Feb 3 02:24:27 2002 From: phil@vaxxine.com (Phil (VA3UX)) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 21:24:27 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions In-Reply-To: <012101c1ac12$969e7380$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> References: <00a201c1abfc$608a4ff0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> <026101c1ac0e$391ff5c0$2620e9cc@SteveMoore> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020202212318.009fdc00@vaxxine.com> --=====================_11765311==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:53 AM 2/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Actually, >I have. Then take the better deal and shut-up. You related to WA4D ? Phil > >N5IFI >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Steven Moore >>To: Jimmy Jones >>Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions >> >>N5IFI, >> >>Let's see here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you >>can send them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers lately? >> >>Steve wd0ct >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Jimmy Jones >>>To: AMPS ; Tom Hix >>>Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:14 AM >>>Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions >>> >>>What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You can't do >>>it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. >>>You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that deal. >>>N5IFI >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Tom Hix >>>>To: amps >>>>Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM >>>>Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions >>>> >>>>I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the >>>>Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are >>>>really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price. >>>> >>>>I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of the >>>>people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who dont >>>>want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are >>>>really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 >>>>watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site >>>>about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that >>>>ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to >>>>make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on >>>>the pair of gi7b tubes. >>>> >>>>Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up >>>>so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if >>>>there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there >>>>are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good >>>>choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes. >>>> >>>>I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like >>>>the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so >>>>much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to >>>>retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners >>>>facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to >>>>stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money >>>>to retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find >>>>another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma >>>>for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or >>>>replace the tubes with something they can afford. >>>> >>>>I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about building >>>>amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to >>>>learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very >>>>best at building and repairing amps. >>>> >>>>SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the >>>>gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone >>>>who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and >>>>they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I >>>>will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching >>>>set of sockets. >>>> >>>>The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them and >>>>determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the >>>>cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at >>>>my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that >>>>the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the >>>>conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the >>>>conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site with all the >>>>other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to something >>>>else like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good >>>>digital camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, >>>>then contact me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know >>>>the entire group of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding >>>>out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will take to >>>>make it happen. >>>> >>>>If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and >>>>we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even >>>>feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with >>>>these beautiful old amps. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome. >>>> >>>>73 >>>> >>>>Tom Hix..................w4th >>>> >>>> >>>>Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur >>>>Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline >>>>& coax antenna switches. >>>> >>>>http://www.tomstubes.com >>>> >>>> >>>>---------- >>>>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>>>Click Here >>>>-- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: >>>>amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: >>>>amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com --=====================_11765311==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:53 AM 2/2/2002 -0600, you wrote:
Actually,
I have.

Then take the better deal and shut-up.

You related to WA4D ?

Phil


 
N5IFI
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Moore
To: Jimmy Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions

N5IFI,
 
Let's see here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can send them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers lately?
 
Steve  wd0ct
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Jones
To: AMPS ; Tom Hix
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions

What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that deal.
N5IFI
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hix
To: amps
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions

I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.

I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.

Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.

I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes with something they can afford.

I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about    building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and repairing amps.

SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set of sockets.

The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen.

If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these beautiful old amps.

Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.

73

Tom Hix..................w4th


Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & coax antenna switches.

http://www.tomstubes.com


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--=====================_11765311==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k6ndv@contesting.com Sun Feb 3 03:23:51 2002 From: k6ndv@contesting.com (Will) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:23:51 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020202212318.009fdc00@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C1AC1F.258F5A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now, enough again...! NO MORE! Will, K6NDV AMPS reflector administrator -----Original Message----- From: owner-amps@contesting.com [mailto:owner-amps@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Phil (VA3UX) Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:24 PM To: amps@contesting.com Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions At 11:53 AM 2/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: Actually, I have. Then take the better deal and shut-up. You related to WA4D ? Phil N5IFI ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Moore To: Jimmy Jones Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions N5IFI, Let's see here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can send them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers lately? Steve wd0ct ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Jones To: AMPS ; Tom Hix Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that deal. N5IFI ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hix To: amps Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price. I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes. Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes. I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes with something they can afford. I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and repairing amps. SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set of sockets. The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen. If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these beautiful old amps. Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome. 73 Tom Hix..................w4th Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & coax antenna switches. http://www.tomstubes.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C1AC1F.258F5A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now,=20 enough again...!
NO=20 MORE!
Will,=20 K6NDV
 
AMPS=20 reflector administrator
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-amps@contesting.com=20 [mailto:owner-amps@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Phil=20 (VA3UX)
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:24 = PM
To:=20 amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube = conversions

At 11:53 AM 2/2/2002 -0600, you = wrote:
Actually,
I=20 have.

Then take the better deal and = shut-up.

You=20 related to WA4D ?

Phil



N5IFI
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Steven = Moore=20
To: Jimmy Jones =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] = Alpha=20 76 and 78 tube conversions

N5IFI,
 
Let's see=20 here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can = send=20 them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers=20 lately?
 
Steve =20 wd0ct
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Jimmy = Jones=20
To: AMPS ; = Tom Hix
Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 02, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78=20 tube conversions

What a deal. = You are=20 just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it = can't be=20 that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for = that=20 deal.
N5IFI
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: Tom = Hix=20
To: amps =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] = Alpha 76=20 and 78 tube conversions

I dont know if any of you = builders have=20 ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, = but if you=20 haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can = supply them=20 at a great price.

I believe these tubes would possibly = be a=20 good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha = amps like=20 the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to = $1500.00 to=20 retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair = of them=20 will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage = and drive.=20 There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend = of mine=20 did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a = pair of=20 the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes. =

Since=20 the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so=20 high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to = know if=20 there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of = course there=20 are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be = a good=20 choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.

I really = hate to see=20 anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 = or 78,=20 but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you = can=20 actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these = amps. I=20 get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this = very=20 situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using=20 their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube=20 their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another=20 tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma = for these=20 owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace=20 the tubes with something they can afford.

I am not an = amp=20 builder. I wish I knew a lot more about    = building=20 amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb = and lazy=20 to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list = are the=20 very best at building and repairing = amps.

SO..............Here=20 is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes = can be a=20 decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows = what they=20 are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want = to=20 change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will = sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching = set of=20 sockets.

The person who wants to do this can take a = look at=20 what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will=20 physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay = me for=20 the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when = the=20 conversion is completed that the person who does the work, = will send=20 me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures = detailing=20 each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on = my web=20 site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their = 8874=20 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you = are=20 doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the = pictures of=20 the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if = this=20 could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha = owners would=20 really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they = can use,=20 and what it will take to make it happen.

If any of you = are=20 interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will = see what=20 we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible or=20 not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these = beautiful old amps.

Thanks for your time and comments = will be=20 welcome.

73

Tom=20 Hix..................w4th


Tom's Tubes:=20 Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur = Amplifier Tubes,=20 Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & = coax=20 antenna switches.

http://www.tomstubes.com


MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: = Click = Here
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------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C1AC1F.258F5A80-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From NICK.WALLACE@xtra.co.nz Sun Feb 3 06:20:49 2002 From: NICK.WALLACE@xtra.co.nz (Nick Wallace) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:20:49 +1300 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions References: <00a201c1abfc$608a4ff0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> <026101c1ac0e$391ff5c0$2620e9cc@SteveMoore> <5.0.2.1.0.20020202212318.009fdc00@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <00df01c1ac7b$03175460$d26c36d2@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1ACE7.E368BEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey whatever happened to WA4DOG?Used to enjoy his ravings on 80m. Nick ZL1IU You related to WA4D ? Phil N5IFI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steven Moore=20 To: Jimmy Jones=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions N5IFI, =20 Let's see here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't = fit you can send them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better = offers lately? =20 Steve wd0ct ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jimmy Jones=20 To: AMPS ; Tom Hix=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You = can't do it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that = deal. N5IFI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Hix=20 To: amps=20 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any = attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you = should. These are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great = price.=20 I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for = many of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 = series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. = These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about = 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article = on my site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron = amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was = able to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts = out on the pair of gi7b tubes.=20 Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have = gone up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to = know if there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course = there are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a = good choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes. I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good = amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone = up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost = to retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners = facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to = stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for = these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace the tubes with something they can afford.=20 I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about = building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and = lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are = the very best at building and repairing amps. SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to = see if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If = someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in = it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b = tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a = matching set of sockets. The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send = them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the = cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my = cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the = person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and = a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want = this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who = want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So = if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can = send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would = love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older = Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another = tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen. If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a = reply and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of = this is even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these = guys with these beautiful old amps. Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome. 73 Tom Hix..................w4th Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in = Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local = ladderline & coax antenna switches.=20 http://www.tomstubes.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: = Click Here -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: = amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com = Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1ACE7.E368BEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Hey whatever happened to WA4DOG?Used = to enjoy his=20 ravings on 80m.
 
Nick  ZL1IU

You = related to=20 WA4D ?

Phil



N5IFI
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Steven = Moore=20
To: Jimmy Jones =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] = Alpha=20 76 and 78 tube conversions

N5IFI,
 
Let's see=20 here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can = send=20 them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers=20 lately?
 
Steve =20 wd0ct
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Jimmy = Jones=20
To: AMPS ; = Tom Hix
Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 02, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78=20 tube conversions

What a deal. = You are=20 just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it = can't be=20 that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for = that=20 deal.
N5IFI
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: Tom = Hix=20
To: amps =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] = Alpha 76=20 and 78 tube conversions

I dont know if any of you = builders have=20 ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, = but if you=20 haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can = supply them=20 at a great price.

I believe these tubes would possibly = be a=20 good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha = amps like=20 the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to = $1500.00 to=20 retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair = of them=20 will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage = and drive.=20 There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend = of mine=20 did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a = pair of=20 the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes. =

Since=20 the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so=20 high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to = know if=20 there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of = course there=20 are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be = a good=20 choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.

I really = hate to see=20 anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 = or 78,=20 but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you = can=20 actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these = amps. I=20 get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this = very=20 situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using=20 their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube=20 their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another=20 tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma = for these=20 owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace=20 the tubes with something they can afford.

I am not an = amp=20 builder. I wish I knew a lot more about    = building=20 amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb = and lazy=20 to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list = are the=20 very best at building and repairing = amps.

SO..............Here=20 is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes = can be a=20 decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows = what they=20 are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want = to=20 change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will = sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching = set of=20 sockets.

The person who wants to do this can take a = look at=20 what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will=20 physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay = me for=20 the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when = the=20 conversion is completed that the person who does the work, = will send=20 me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures = detailing=20 each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on = my web=20 site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their = 8874=20 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you = are=20 doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the = pictures of=20 the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if = this=20 could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha = owners would=20 really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they = can use,=20 and what it will take to make it happen.

If any of you = are=20 interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will = see what=20 we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible or=20 not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these = beautiful old amps.

Thanks for your time and comments = will be=20 welcome.

73

Tom=20 Hix..................w4th


Tom's Tubes:=20 Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur = Amplifier Tubes,=20 Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & = coax=20 antenna switches.

http://www.tomstubes.com


MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: = Click = Here
--=20 FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps = Submissions:=20 amps@contesting.com Administrative requests:=20 amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: = owner-amps@contesting.com=20 =

------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1ACE7.E368BEC0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w3nr@vol.com Sun Feb 3 13:56:13 2002 From: w3nr@vol.com (Ed W3NR) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 08:56:13 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Filamant CT Message-ID: The filament transformer I am using with an 811A amp has no CT for the B- return, so I just tapped one side of the filament. Is this a good idea or am I asking for a hum problem here. If I make a CT can I use a couple of 2 to 5 watt 20-200 ohm resistors ?? Thanks Ed W3NR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wb8jkr@juno.com Sun Feb 3 16:51:46 2002 From: wb8jkr@juno.com (wb8jkr@juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:51:46 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Filamant CT Message-ID: <20020203.115244.-1039265.0.WB8JKR@juno.com> You'd be asking for hum. Rather than using a couple resistors, you could simply take another small 6.3 v transformer with a CT on the secondary and connect it across your filament transformer and just tape up the primary side. 73, Mark WB8JKR On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 08:56:13 -0500 Ed W3NR writes: > > The filament transformer I am using with an 811A amp > has no CT for the B- return, so I just tapped one side of the > filament. Is this a good idea or am I asking for a hum problem > here. If I make a CT can I use a couple of 2 to 5 watt 20-200 ohm > resistors ?? Thanks > > Ed W3NR > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sun Feb 3 17:04:56 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:04:56 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Filamant CT Message-ID: <200202031703.g13H3bVw005975@contesting.com> > > The filament transformer I am using with an 811A amp >has no CT for the B- return, so I just tapped one side of the >filament. Is this a good idea or am I asking for a hum problem >here. If I make a CT can I use a couple of 2 to 5 watt 20-200 ohm >resistors ?? Thanks > - 2, 3 - 5 ‡ resistors in series would provide a C.T. with less DC g-k bias change due to cathode I x R/2 drop. cheers, Ed - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7fl@arrl.net Sun Feb 3 18:42:27 2002 From: k7fl@arrl.net (K7FL) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:42:27 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020203103347.00a85a70@192.168.1.2> For sale an ARRL-002 Plate Transformer, manufactured by Peter Dahl. Never used ... still in the box. Specs: C-Core - Style #10 Hipersil Primary: 0-220-240 VAC Secondary: 0-1770-2125-2500 VAC @ 1.5 ICAS Dimensions (approximate) 8.7" H, 8" W, 7.7" D Weight: 46 pounds New $350 + S&H FOB El Paso, TX Sell: $250 + S&H FOB Portland OR Dennis, K7FL -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From K7DD@msn.com Sun Feb 3 19:04:12 2002 From: K7DD@msn.com (Mike Baker) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:04:12 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] Filamant CT References: <20020203.115244.-1039265.0.WB8JKR@juno.com> Message-ID: OR you could use the primary output of the second transformer to make your cut off bias! Mike Baker K7DD k7dd@MSN.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Filamant CT > > You'd be asking for hum. Rather than using a couple > resistors, you could simply take another small 6.3 v > transformer with a CT on the secondary and connect > it across your filament transformer and just tape up > the primary side. > > 73, Mark WB8JKR > > > On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 08:56:13 -0500 Ed W3NR writes: > > > > The filament transformer I am using with an 811A amp > > has no CT for the B- return, so I just tapped one side of the > > filament. Is this a good idea or am I asking for a hum problem > > here. If I make a CT can I use a couple of 2 to 5 watt 20-200 ohm > > resistors ?? Thanks > > > > Ed W3NR > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sun Feb 3 19:45:16 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:45:16 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: <200202031943.g13JhvVw008697@contesting.com> > >For sale an ARRL-002 Plate Transformer, manufactured by Peter Dahl. >Never used ... still in the box. > >Specs: > >C-Core - Style #10 Hipersil >Primary: 0-220-240 VAC >Secondary: 0-1770-2125-2500 VAC @ 1.5 ICAS >Dimensions (approximate) 8.7" H, 8" W, 7.7" D >Weight: 46 pounds € A Dahl 46- pounder is suitable for an amplifier that will supply 8k pep to the feedline in SSB mode. However, it is not ethical to transmit more RF than is needed to communicate. What is the resistance of the 2500V sec. with the primary shorted? > >New $350 + S&H FOB El Paso, TX >Sell: $250 + S&H FOB Portland OR > cheers, Dennis - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From elmore@nssl.noaa.gov Sun Feb 3 19:44:56 2002 From: elmore@nssl.noaa.gov (Kim Elmore) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:44:56 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Interesting Characteristic of DC "Brushless Fans" Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020203133115.00a80950@mail.telepath.com> My AL-80A had a noisy AC fan. The noise was mainly AC motor noise, rather than fan-blade or air noise (hum/buzz/whine). The amplifier case made a very good sound board for the fan motor, so, I decided to replace it with a DC "brushless" fan. Perhaps it's common knowledge, but I learned that these gadgets don't possess a DC motor of any kind. Instead, they use an inverter to generate AC at somewhere around 15 kHz (so I'm told). This is rather obvious when I look at my new fan, because a circuit board clearly makes up the back side of the motor. After installing it, I found that, sure enough it's quiet. On 20 and 10 m, it gets even quieter because RF gets into the inverter and causes the fan to nearly stop. The AL-80A has a big hole in a divider between the RF deck and the PS side. The fan moves air through this hole, conveniently located almost squarely on the tube, so the fan is exposed to lots of RF. I'll try putting some aluminum window screen over that hole to shield the fan, and see if that helps. The problem only occurs when output is above 500 W or so, so I'm hoping that this will be enough to do the trick. Kim Elmore, N5OP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bjk@ihug.co.nz Sun Feb 3 20:10:50 2002 From: bjk@ihug.co.nz (Barry Kirkwood) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:10:50 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Filamant CT References: <200202031703.g13H3bVw005975@contesting.com> Message-ID: <028101c1acee$e0f17900$f8daadcb@ihug.co.nz> If you consult your 1930 ARRL Handbook you would learn that one CTs a filament transformer with Xmas tree lights in series, hi! 73 end Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD Signal Hill Homestay 66 Cory Road Palm Beach Waiheke Island 1240 NEW ZEALAND www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich... <2@mail.vcnet.com> To: AMPS Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Filamant CT > > The filament transformer I am using with an 811A amp >has no CT for the B- return, so I just tapped one side of the >filament. Is this a good idea or am I asking for a hum problem >here. If I make a CT can I use a couple of 2 to 5 watt 20-200 ohm >resistors ?? Thanks > - 2, 3 - 5 ‡ resistors in series would provide a C.T. with less DC g-k bias change due to cathode I x R/2 drop. cheers, Ed - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Mon Feb 4 03:16:54 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:16:54 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: <01fc01c1ad2a$65b9ed80$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Well put W5NA... ...what is amazing about hams as a group is that form time to time they come up with excellent ideas on how to take something which is inexpensive have great value for themselves...oft time called "ham ingenuity"... If there is someone who can design a circuit which takes advantage of these tubes it of course in the best interests of a provider of those tubes to encourage it...this is business 101... I hope you have personally apologized to W4TH...that was out and out rude. k4oj ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions > > N5IFI > > Let me go on record as I'm not one of the broad class of people > (everyone) in the world who subscribes to your views. > > Your post was in bad taste, rude and uncalled for. > > I've made one business transaction with W4TH in my life and that was > in the past week and I found him to be one of the nicest people to do > business with on Ham Radio Products I have personally dealt with in my > 55+ years as a radio amateur. Obviously he operates a small business > on a very low overhead but my personal dealing with him have been very > positive. > > I certainly hope you are in the minority of all the world amateurs you > purport to speak for in you smart comments as they are offensive to > me. God help us as a group if your views are the norm. > > Tom ignore the comments as I don't share them > > 73, > J. Leon Pringle, Jr W5NA > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 4 06:00:04 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:00:04 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: <200202040558.g145wiVw020691@contesting.com> >On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:45:16 -0800, you wrote: > >>€ A Dahl 46- pounder is suitable for an amplifier that will supply 8k pep >>to the feedline in SSB mode. However, it is not ethical to transmit more >>RF than is needed to communicate. > >It's poor amateur practice, too. And in the U.S. I believe it is >illegal to run more than 1500W PEP output on the amateur bands, even >if you claim you need the extra power. (Or were provoked by sociopaths >:-) So seriously, Rich, given the statement you made above and the >account on your web page of your use (on 40m) of a 20 dB amplifier >(1200V peak), wouldn't one be led to believe that you are not an >ethical person? > € As you may have guessed, I like to discuss unboring topics. Politics, scams, religious cults, psychohistory, whatever. C. 1980, I was getting jammed by various True Believers on the 40m daytime soap known as the "Combat Zone" (7250 - 7260 KHz). Since the FCC apparently wasn't going to do anything about what was undoubtedly the most entertaining daytime variety show on 40m, I decided to build something that was a bit more difficult to jam. I figured it would take about 10db more steam to accomplish this than my 10db gain SB-220 provided. Coming up with a suitable design for a 20db amplifier took a couple of months. This involved discussing the project on the Combat Zone. Construction took another few months. Debugging took c. another month. I quickly learned that a 20db amplifier does not prevent sociopaths from jamming the people one is trying to communicate with. Thus, the 20db amplifier (a.k.a., the "Plywood Box) was not much more than a fun project. - Years later I discovered that one of the employees at the FCC monitoring station in Livermore wrote poetry about the shenanigans that went on. A friend in the FCC sent me a copy. I still have it. Curiously, the largest group of complainants about my 20db amplifier to the FCC was contest stations who were rumoured to also run "tetrodes with handles". >I'm curious, since you appear to make statements about using more >power than necessary fairly frequently. € I used enough power to overcome the jammers when they were doing their thing. When they were not jamming and the propagation was ok, I ran 140w-pep. >Are such statements made tongue-in-cheek? > € No. The Plywood Box was sold after I had a brain glitch. During the next DX contest, you might hear it. cheers, Doug - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Mon Feb 4 06:21:42 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 00:21:42 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr In-Reply-To: <200202040558.g145wiVw020691@contesting.com> Message-ID: Doug and Rich shadow-boxed a little about the "Plywood box" -- Aww, I won't quote anybody. Jamming is bad, stepping on people who jam is bad, "using only the amount of power necessary to establish and maintain communications" is good. Except for my general distaste for avoidable and/or wanton waste, I have no problem with people using an amp capable of way more than "legal limit" if the device is operated legally. Using a device that could deliver 10 KW PEP, and throttling it back to a legal limit gives a lot of headroom for signal peaks -- a cleaner sound. People listening to the "Plywood box" remarked on how quiet the band got when Rich ... uhh.. put down the maul, as the CBers say. It's up to the station operator to be legal. And I know it took the wind out of a lot of self-important and self-inflated sails when Rich stopped "playing fair" by using a chunk of wood to conk some idiots over the head. I can't begin to count the radios I have here that COULD be operated illegally -- the number is "all of them" if bad language is used, or an unlicensed frequency is used. Don't even think about asking about the stack of sawn-off low-band Mitreks. Practically everything I've got can be used out of band as well, and it's my responsibility to be legal. Oh yeah, I got a new toy today, one that came with a built-in hernia. Regulated variable power supply, 0 - 500V, 0 - 500 mA. If nothing else, I have all the parts I need for a dandy new quad 6L6 QRP amp. Or a mooring for an aircraft carrier. Jim N6OTQ PS -- the world as we know it is about to come to a cataclysmic end -- an ex-CBer missed passing his Extra exam by one question this morning. Next time I'll study. You have less than two weeks to prepare. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Mon Feb 4 08:03:17 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:03:17 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: Rich said: >What is the resistance of the 2500V sec. with the primary shorted? Don't understand. How does shorting or opening affect the resistance of the winding? The advantage of shorting the primary while measuring the secondary resistance I can see; the back EMF from disconnecting the resistance meter won't be there, but that's the only reason I can see. 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From doug@nc.rr.com Mon Feb 4 13:57:25 2002 From: doug@nc.rr.com (Doug Hall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:57:25 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr In-Reply-To: <200202040558.g145wjJ27566@ohmx01.mgw.rr.com> Message-ID: Note: I sent my question to Rich via private email. It was Rich's choice to send his response to the reflector. Even so, Rich, you dodged my question. And in so doing, answered it. Regards, Doug, K4DSP > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich... [mailto:2@mail.vcnet.com] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:00 AM > To: doug@nc.rr.com; AMPS > Subject: Re: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr > > >On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:45:16 -0800, you wrote: > > > >>€ A Dahl 46- pounder is suitable for an amplifier that will > supply 8k pep > >>to the feedline in SSB mode. However, it is not ethical to > transmit more > >>RF than is needed to communicate. > > > >It's poor amateur practice, too. And in the U.S. I believe it is > >illegal to run more than 1500W PEP output on the amateur bands, even > >if you claim you need the extra power. (Or were provoked by sociopaths > >:-) So seriously, Rich, given the statement you made above and the > >account on your web page of your use (on 40m) of a 20 dB amplifier > >(1200V peak), wouldn't one be led to believe that you are not an > >ethical person? > > > € As you may have guessed, I like to discuss unboring topics. Politics, > scams, religious cults, psychohistory, whatever. C. 1980, I was getting > jammed by various True Believers on the 40m daytime soap known as the > "Combat Zone" (7250 - 7260 KHz). Since the FCC apparently wasn't going > to do anything about what was undoubtedly the most entertaining daytime > variety show on 40m, I decided to build something that was a bit more > difficult to jam. I figured it would take about 10db more steam to > accomplish this than my 10db gain SB-220 provided. Coming up with a > suitable design for a 20db amplifier took a couple of months. This > involved discussing the project on the Combat Zone. Construction took > another few months. Debugging took c. another month. I quickly learned > that a 20db amplifier does not prevent sociopaths from jamming the people > one is trying to communicate with. Thus, the 20db amplifier (a.k.a., the > "Plywood Box) was not much more than a fun project. > - Years later I discovered that one of the employees at the FCC > monitoring station in Livermore wrote poetry about the shenanigans that > went on. A friend in the FCC sent me a copy. I still have it. > Curiously, the largest group of complainants about my 20db amplifier to > the FCC was contest stations who were rumoured to also run "tetrodes with > handles". > > >I'm curious, since you appear to make statements about using more > >power than necessary fairly frequently. > > € I used enough power to overcome the jammers when they were doing their > thing. When they were not jamming and the propagation was ok, I ran > 140w-pep. > > >Are such statements made tongue-in-cheek? > > > € No. The Plywood Box was sold after I had a brain glitch. During the > next DX contest, you might hear it. > > cheers, Doug > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, > www.vcnet.com/measures. > end > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 4 15:01:24 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:01:24 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: <200202041500.g14F03Vw026450@contesting.com> > >Rich said: > > >What is the resistance of the 2500V sec. with the primary shorted? > >Don't understand. How does shorting or opening affect the resistance of the >winding? > € it doen't affect R, it prevents the counter EMF from zapping the ohm-meter. >The advantage of shorting the primary while measuring the secondary resistance I >can see; the back EMF from disconnecting the resistance meter won't be there, >but that's the only reason I can see. > € Yes - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Mon Feb 4 15:10:02 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:10:02 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: Rich said: >EUR it doen't affect R, it prevents the counter EMF from zapping the >ohm-meter. I've never zapped the meter, but I have zapped me with that back emf! 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 4 15:44:03 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:44:03 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr Message-ID: <200202041542.g14FggVw027168@contesting.com> > >Note: I sent my question to Rich via private email. It was Rich's choice to >send his response to the reflector. > Replies to AMPS posts that may be of interest to some members get posted to the group. Request not to do so and I won't. Those who dislike what I write should killfile me a.s.a.p. >Even so, Rich, you dodged my question. And in so doing, answered it. > A clarification: It's true that I resort to drastic/semi-unethical Measures in order to deal with animals who cause trouble. Coyotes come here most nights and attempt to eat our domesticated animals. To discourage the practice, I fire my 12 -ga, at them. My neighbors do the same thing. - - - Leo was right: nice guys finish in last place. cheers, Doug > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rich... [mailto:2@mail.vcnet.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:00 AM >> To: doug@nc.rr.com; AMPS >> Subject: Re: [AMPS] FS:ARRL-002 Hipersil Xfmr >> >> >On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:45:16 -0800, you wrote: >> > >> >>€ A Dahl 46- pounder is suitable for an amplifier that will >> supply 8k pep >> >>to the feedline in SSB mode. However, it is not ethical to >> transmit more >> >>RF than is needed to communicate. >> > >> >It's poor amateur practice, too. And in the U.S. I believe it is >> >illegal to run more than 1500W PEP output on the amateur bands, even >> >if you claim you need the extra power. (Or were provoked by sociopaths >> >:-) So seriously, Rich, given the statement you made above and the >> >account on your web page of your use (on 40m) of a 20 dB amplifier >> >(1200V peak), wouldn't one be led to believe that you are not an >> >ethical person? >> > >> € As you may have guessed, I like to discuss unboring topics. Politics, >> scams, religious cults, psychohistory, whatever. C. 1980, I was getting >> jammed by various True Believers on the 40m daytime soap known as the >> "Combat Zone" (7250 - 7260 KHz). Since the FCC apparently wasn't going >> to do anything about what was undoubtedly the most entertaining daytime >> variety show on 40m, I decided to build something that was a bit more >> difficult to jam. I figured it would take about 10db more steam to >> accomplish this than my 10db gain SB-220 provided. Coming up with a >> suitable design for a 20db amplifier took a couple of months. This >> involved discussing the project on the Combat Zone. Construction took >> another few months. Debugging took c. another month. I quickly learned >> that a 20db amplifier does not prevent sociopaths from jamming the people >> one is trying to communicate with. Thus, the 20db amplifier (a.k.a., the >> "Plywood Box) was not much more than a fun project. >> - Years later I discovered that one of the employees at the FCC >> monitoring station in Livermore wrote poetry about the shenanigans that >> went on. A friend in the FCC sent me a copy. I still have it. >> Curiously, the largest group of complainants about my 20db amplifier to >> the FCC was contest stations who were rumoured to also run "tetrodes with >> handles". >> >> >I'm curious, since you appear to make statements about using more >> >power than necessary fairly frequently. >> >> € I used enough power to overcome the jammers when they were doing their >> thing. When they were not jamming and the propagation was ok, I ran >> 140w-pep. >> >> >Are such statements made tongue-in-cheek? >> > >> € No. The Plywood Box was sold after I had a brain glitch. During the >> next DX contest, you might hear it. >> >> cheers, Doug >> >> - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, >> www.vcnet.com/measures. >> end >> > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w8cqjeff@tds.net Mon Feb 4 22:22:30 2002 From: w8cqjeff@tds.net (Jeff Weinberg W8CQ) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:22:30 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] 8877 Pinout Message-ID: <00f201c1adca$6f9ddbe0$e7b9aad8@w8cq1> Hi All, Does anyone have a pinout for the 8877? I can't locate mine anywhere. Thanks, Jeff Weinberg W8CQ Harbach Electronics 317-892-2641 harbachelectronics@tds.net http://www.harbachelectronics.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 4 22:33:09 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:33:09 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] 8877 Pinout Message-ID: Pins 1 & 5 are heater Pins 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 are cathode. WB2WIK/6 "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Weinberg W8CQ [SMTP:w8cqjeff@tds.net] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 2:23 PM > To: AMPS > Subject: [AMPS] 8877 Pinout > > > Hi All, > Does anyone have a pinout for the 8877? I can't locate mine anywhere. > > Thanks, > Jeff Weinberg W8CQ > Harbach Electronics > 317-892-2641 > harbachelectronics@tds.net > http://www.harbachelectronics.com > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w8cqjeff@tds.net Mon Feb 4 22:48:24 2002 From: w8cqjeff@tds.net (Jeff Weinberg W8CQ) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:48:24 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] 8877 Pinouts Message-ID: <011501c1adce$0df96180$e7b9aad8@w8cq1> Hi All, Thanks for the replies. Got it now. Regards, Jeff Weinberg W8CQ Harbach Electronics 317-892-2641 harbachelectronics@tds.net http://www.harbachelectronics.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w3nr@vol.com Tue Feb 5 01:38:55 2002 From: w3nr@vol.com (Ed W3NR) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:38:55 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] TNX filament ct Message-ID: Thanks for the many many replies. General consenus is to use a small 6.3 that has a ct, except for Barry ZL1DD's suggestion to use Christmas tree lights per the 1930 HB. Thanks again...73 Ed W3NR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ve3tu@rac.ca Tue Feb 5 23:35:11 2002 From: ve3tu@rac.ca (Steve) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:35:11 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] Commander HF1250 and HF2500 Message-ID: <3C606C2F.B7244F52@rac.ca> I have a Commander HF2500 and HF1250 that I would like to sell. They are in good shape, full output, 160m through 10m, no qsk Before I put the items on ebay I would like to offer them here. email me direct if interested. 73 Steve VE3TU -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 6 19:03:08 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:03:08 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Euro Sub For Eimac Message-ID: <00a901c1af40$ecf484a0$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Recommended source for Svetlana 3CX800A7 Pricing re-tubing an alpha 87A with them... 73, Jim, K4OJ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 6 16:20:19 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:20:19 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Euro Sub For Eimac Message-ID: <200202061618.g16GIqVw005592@contesting.com> > >Recommended source for Svetlana 3CX800A7 > >Pricing re-tubing an alpha 87A with them... > >73, > € Jim -- If you have any 3cx800A7s that are kaput, I would like to purchase them and perform autopsies. tnx > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k1ta@contesting.com Tue Feb 5 16:35:26 2002 From: k1ta@contesting.com (Bob Marston) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:35:26 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Euro Sub For Eimac Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020205083526.007ad2b0@contesting.com> K4OJ wrote: >Recommended source for Svetlana 3CX800A7 > >Pricing re-tubing an alpha 87A with them... > >73, > >Jim, K4OJ Hi Jim The only manufacturer of the 3CX800A7 outside of Eimac is Svetlana. Morel Grunberg, 4X1AD, did some investigating on this matter a couple of years ago. And found the the Svetlana tubes to be 35 USD cheaper. Not all that much of a savings to justify the extra grief. Now that Svetlana has pulled up stakes in the US you have to buy them from dealers when they can get them. Here's the URL for all Svetlana Vendors: http://www.svetlana.com/docs/order.html Be advised that VHF Amp builder K1FO states the 3CX-800s made by Svetlana are actually 3CPX800s with 3CX800 stamped on them. They are manufactured to withstand a higher plate voltage and require slightly more drive. But they should work ok in any application that uses the 3CX tube. They would make an excellent candidate as a replacement for the 3-500 for someone looking to retrofit an SB-220 or L-7 73s Bob K1TA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W6NQ Wed Feb 6 23:32:30 2002 From: W6NQ (W6NQ) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:32:30 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Euro Sub For Eimac 3CX800A7 References: <3.0.6.32.20020205083526.007ad2b0@contesting.com> Message-ID: <010501c1af66$8dcafce0$6701a8c0@rfparts.com> FYI-- Svetlana is still building the 3CX800A7 tube. It has not been dropped from their product list. Main difficulty, Russian plant still using capacity to build whatever they can, often not on the U.S. "want list". Also, some delay encountered with changeover of factory export agreements. Svetlana Electron Devices / Huntsville, AL., has been replaced by PM of America. I have been advised that some 3CX800A7 will be entering U.S. this month. Readily available quantities will be limited, and several OEM's have significant orders on file. General availability should improve by Summer. 73, Merit W6NQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Marston" To: "Jim White, K4OJ" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Euro Sub For Eimac > > K4OJ wrote: > > >Recommended source for Svetlana 3CX800A7 > > > >Pricing re-tubing an alpha 87A with them... > > > >73, > > > >Jim, K4OJ > > Hi Jim > > The only manufacturer of the 3CX800A7 outside of Eimac is Svetlana. Morel > Grunberg, 4X1AD, did some investigating on this matter a couple of years > ago. And found the the Svetlana tubes to be 35 USD cheaper. Not all that > much of a savings to justify the extra grief. Now that Svetlana has pulled > up stakes in the US you have to buy them from dealers when they can get them. > > Here's the URL for all Svetlana Vendors: > http://www.svetlana.com/docs/order.html > > Be advised that VHF Amp builder K1FO states the 3CX-800s made by Svetlana > are actually 3CPX800s with 3CX800 stamped on them. They are manufactured to > withstand a higher plate voltage and require slightly more drive. But they > should work ok in any application that uses the 3CX tube. They would make > an excellent candidate as a replacement for the 3-500 for someone looking > to retrofit an SB-220 or L-7 > > 73s > > Bob K1TA > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6frmarv@dslextreme.com Thu Feb 7 04:19:34 2002 From: w6frmarv@dslextreme.com (Marv Gonsior) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:19:34 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Henry 2K-4 FS Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206200350.00ab70c0@mail.dslextreme.com> Gentlemen, I am assisting with the disposition of an estate of W6JAZ and the following Henry 2K-4 is for sale. Floor console, pair of 3-500Zs, full kW output from 3.5 to 30MHz, low hours on the tubes, manual, and LPF attached, and just back from a full Henry Radio overhaul on 1/26/02. This is a pick up in La Habra, CA and the price is $725.00. A .JPG is available or call details, my telephone number is 714-871-3607 or please reply direct. Thanks. 73, Marv, W6FR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From mmartin@ssa.siemens.es Thu Feb 7 07:59:40 2002 From: mmartin@ssa.siemens.es (Martin-de-la-Fuente, Maximo) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:59:40 +0100 Subject: [AMPS] ARD 230 Message-ID: <6EB479651E5DD511A1E7009027CAA2FAA2E4B8@MADA501A> Good day, I am looking for any ARD 230 owner or anybody with parts for this amp. I am repairing a ARD 230 C model (three tube version) and I need some help. If you have a eprom copy or circuit boards or knowledge, I shall be very pleased with you. Thank you. Regards, Max Martin - EA1DDO. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ik2ani@infinito.it Thu Feb 7 13:19:26 2002 From: ik2ani@infinito.it (Aldo Angeletti) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:19:26 +0100 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 help needed Message-ID: <001001c1afda$2b566c60$afb9d9d5@ik2ani> HI, some week ago I bought a second-hand Alpha 78 linear amplifier. I read in the manual the best ratio of dc plate voltage to dc plate current is 1972. The manual suggest to tune the amplifier for a plate current of 0.71 A for CW (that corresponds with about 1 kW input) and of 1.06 for SSB (that corrisponds with 2.2 kW input). So I deduce the right output power is about 500 W in CW and 1.1 kW in SSB, but I read on the web Alpha 78 is a linear amplifier running 1.5 kW output. So what is the right plate current values (CW and SSB) to maximize the power capacity of my Alpha 78 without compromise, of course, the tubes life? I noted the output power is decreasing with the frequency increasing: more than 1 kW on 160 m. and minus than 900 W on 10 m. during the SSB tune-up: is this behaviour regular? Any other suggestion or trick by some long-time Alpha 78 user are welcome. Thank you Aldo IK2ANI -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From raul@antennaworld.com Wed Feb 6 13:23:39 2002 From: raul@antennaworld.com (Raul Pla) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:23:39 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Metron MA1000B 10M mod HELP (+remote head) Message-ID: <003a01c1af11$7e476ec0$0101a8c0@radio> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1AEE7.945D37A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello group, Im new here, found you all when searching for Magnus/Metron company the = other day. I picked up a Metron MA1000B at the Miami Hamboree. = Unfortunately it works ONLY to 22 mhz. I really want to use it for 10 = and 12m bands ALSO. Does anyone know where I can buy the 10m kit, OR details on making the = 10m kit myself? Any history on Magnus? Is this amp still being produced? Before I undertake making my own remote control panel, anyone also know = if I can buy that? When I get this going I will sell my old Ameritron ALS500M, by the way. = I uses these in the mobile. Thanks for any help! 73 de W4AWI Raul ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1AEE7.945D37A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello group,
Im new here, found you all when = searching for=20 Magnus/Metron company the other day. I picked up a Metron MA1000B at the = Miami=20 Hamboree. Unfortunately it works ONLY to 22 mhz. I really want to use it = for 10=20 and 12m bands ALSO.
 
Does anyone know where I can buy the = 10m kit, OR=20 details on making the 10m kit myself? Any history on Magnus? Is this amp = still=20 being produced?
 
Before I undertake making my own remote = control=20 panel, anyone also know if I can buy that?
 
When I get this going I will sell my = old Ameritron=20 ALS500M, by the way. I uses these in the mobile.
 
Thanks for any help!  73 de = W4AWI =20 Raul
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1AEE7.945D37A0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Thu Feb 7 16:19:11 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:19:11 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Metron MA1000B 10M mod HELP (+remote head) In-Reply-To: <003a01c1af11$7e476ec0$0101a8c0@radio> Message-ID: Hi I've never been inside a Metron, but the technology in most SS amps is similar. I'd look for a trap or filter on the input side -- or a modification on the input transformer that attenuated signals above 24 MHz. The letter of the law for type acceptance would rule out a "screwdriver" adjustment, but the answer might be as simple as cutting out one or two capacitors. Or it might be more complex, requiring replacing or rewinding the input transformer. This is actually less work than it sounds like, and the subject was well documented by Granberg et.al. at Motorola. I can send you photocopies if you can't find the articles. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From philk5pc@tyler.net Thu Feb 7 22:55:07 2002 From: philk5pc@tyler.net (Phil Clements) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:55:07 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Metron MA1000B 10M mod HELP (+remote head) References: <003a01c1af11$7e476ec0$0101a8c0@radio> Message-ID: <001301c1b02a$80d45a80$c3084c42@philk5pc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1AFF8.32B111E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a new 10 meter kit around here somewhere. Will look for it tomorrow and report back. (((73))) Phil, K5PC Does anyone know where I can buy the 10m kit, OR details on making the = 10m kit myself? Any history on Magnus? Is this amp still being produced? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1AFF8.32B111E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a new 10 = meter kit=20 around here somewhere.
Will look for it = tomorrow and=20 report back.
 
(((73)))
Phil, = K5PC
Does anyone know where I can buy the 10m kit, OR = details on=20 making the 10m kit myself? Any history on Magnus? Is this amp still = being=20 produced?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1AFF8.32B111E0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Thu Feb 7 23:15:14 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:15:14 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Reference book for HP Paeco transformers? Message-ID: Hi This is probably something I should have surfed the web for before I asked, but -- Does anybody have or know of a catalog that provides pin-outs and ratings for the Paeco power transformers that HP put in their vintage test gear? I've encountered a few speciments that were far too rough for restoration, but had some good stuff inside. Now I've got a nice little collection of these Paeco puppies. If no book exists -- would there be interest in compiling such a resource, perhaps on BAMA? I don't have any problems with "sniffing" out transformer windings -- only takes a few minutes per transformer -- but I'd like to spend my time doing more interesting stuff like blowing up 812As Thanks and 73 Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Thu Feb 7 23:55:28 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:55:28 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Reference book for HP Paeco transformers? In-Reply-To: <120.b076e57.29946c65@aol.com> Message-ID: EVonvaltie@aol.com writes... >You make it sound so simple to just "sniff out" transformer windings. Tell >me how you sniff out the current ratings. Especially on a multiple winding >transformer for which you have no prior knowledge of the relative power >ratings of each winding. > >As one who has designed his share of transformers, I am amazed that you >can simply "sniff out" the results of that design process without knowing >any of the basic design guidelines that were used. Let me and others in on >your magic. > >Eric von Valtier K8LV Magic? Hardly. VOM to locate the windings, a piece of paper to draw a picture, and a variac to bring voltage on the suspected primary up slowly. Removing the transformer from the chassis with some of the insulation on the wires helps. As far as current ratings? Guess, based on DC resistance, the weight of the transformer, and testing into a resistive load bank. 240V halogen light bulbs are handy for making a load bank. Knowing what kind of gear the transformer came from helps. Having the manufacturer's spec sheet or the equipment manual helps a lot more! Alas, I have only a few HP manuals, so it's not always practical for me to "look it up." It takes maybe 10 minutes to set up my test jig, and then a few minutes per transformer to test. It would take about 10 seconds with the right data sheets. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp Fri Feb 8 05:56:48 2002 From: salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp (Xu) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:56:48 +0800 Subject: [AMPS] AMP schedmatic diagram needed Message-ID: <003801c1b065$bb0d96e0$09785dd3@8163> I'm making a 10m DSB QRP transceuver,did anyone have the 2W amplifier's schematic diagram, simlar " solid state design for the radio amateur " P196? it must without transformer.Thanks in advance! 73! de Xu -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp Fri Feb 8 06:04:27 2002 From: salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp (Xu) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:04:27 +0800 Subject: [AMPS] Re: AMP schedmatic diagram needed Message-ID: <006501c1b066$78d71980$09785dd3@8163> ps, 50mV in 2W out. > I'm making a 10m DSB QRP transceuver,did anyone have the 2W amplifier's > schematic diagram, simlar " solid state design for the radio amateur " P196? > it must without transformer.Thanks in advance! > 73! de Xu > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Douglas.R.Snowden@noaa.gov Fri Feb 8 13:27:51 2002 From: Douglas.R.Snowden@noaa.gov (Douglas R Snowden) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:27:51 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] GI7B Bias requirements (and methods) Message-ID: <3C63D257.A98EB6A@noaa.gov> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D58C6695EBAA9A9A3A5CDB95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in the early stage of building a pair of Russian GI7B triodes in GG. I have a 24vct filamanet transformer, so I plan on using it and doing the filaments in series since they are 12.6 v each. I have a ferrite choke wound for the filament xfmr-> tubes. Has anyone built one of these? If so, what was the cathode bias they used, how how did they produce it? I know that the typical GG amp would use a zener or series diodes in the cathode, but I suspect I will need something more than 7-8 volts. 73 Doug N4IJ --------------D58C6695EBAA9A9A3A5CDB95 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="Douglas.R.Snowden.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Douglas.R.Snowden Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Douglas.R.Snowden.vcf" begin:vcard n:Snowden;Doug x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Systems Branch adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:douglas.r.snowden@noaa.gov fn:Douglas R. Snowden end:vcard --------------D58C6695EBAA9A9A3A5CDB95-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Fri Feb 8 17:38:44 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:38:44 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Did you own one? References: <3C63D257.A98EB6A@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <017601c1b0c7$75092a80$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> A local is selling a Dentron DTR2000 amp. It is an 8877 and has been modified to include a tuned input circuit, higher voltage power supply and a squirrel cage blower has been added. Some of the Dentron products were well built others were not... If you have had experience one of these amps how did you like it? This one is in beautiful physical condition, am anxious to learn the thoughts of someone who used one. I use amps for 48 hour contests and this one seems like it should loaf at 1500watts...but....if there are inherent problems with other components it ain't worth the heartache. Thanks in advance, Jim, K4OJ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From EVonvaltie@aol.com Fri Feb 8 15:06:33 2002 From: EVonvaltie@aol.com (EVonvaltie@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:06:33 EST Subject: [AMPS] Looking for filter choke Message-ID: <103.106285a2.29954379@aol.com> --part1_103.106285a2.29954379_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for a filter choke that will handle 1A. DC Inductance not critical - minimum would be about 1H. There don't seem to be many of these things left around anymore. Guess everyone has resigned themselves to living with poor regulation and high PF on their AC lines. Here is your chance to unload an unwanted piece of iron and feel like a better person in the process. Eric von Valtier K8LV --part1_103.106285a2.29954379_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for a filter choke that will handle 1A. DC Inductance not critical - minimum would be about 1H. There don't seem to be many of these things left around anymore. Guess everyone has resigned themselves to living with poor regulation and high PF on their AC lines.

Here is your chance to unload an unwanted piece of iron and feel like a better person in the process.

Eric von Valtier K8LV
--part1_103.106285a2.29954379_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 8 15:55:50 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:55:50 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Did you own one? Message-ID: <200202081554.g18FsIVw017238@contesting.com> > >A local is selling a Dentron DTR2000 amp. > >It is an 8877 and has been modified to include a tuned input circuit, higher >voltage power supply and a squirrel cage blower has been added. > € Known problems: 1. 5.9v on 4.75v.min - 5.25v.max heater. 2. T/R relay hotswitches with modern transceivers. 3. No step-start to prevent eventual spot-welding the ON/OFF sw. contacts. 4. Marginal VHF-stability -- i.e., tends to have parasites. (needs lower Q VHF suppressor) 5. Does not have a kick-butt anode supply. 6. Larger diameter conductors needed in tank L for high bands. >Some of the Dentron products were well built others were not... > >... cheers, Jim - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From n8de@thepoint.net Fri Feb 8 17:34:18 2002 From: n8de@thepoint.net (Don Havlicek) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:34:18 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Did you own one? References: <3C63D257.A98EB6A@noaa.gov> <017601c1b0c7$75092a80$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C640C1A.CBD12531@thepoint.net> Jim, I own one .. had to replace the power supply components, including the transformer .. put in a Peter Dahl .. have had lots of fun with it ..[it keeps the shack warm in the winter!] Only other mod is a large, high-speed muffin fam placed above the 8877, drawing the warm air out and up. Don N8DE "Jim White, K4OJ" wrote: > > A local is selling a Dentron DTR2000 amp. > > It is an 8877 and has been modified to include a tuned input circuit, higher > voltage power supply and a squirrel cage blower has been added. > > Some of the Dentron products were well built others were not... > > If you have had experience one of these amps how did you like it? > > This one is in beautiful physical condition, am anxious to learn the > thoughts of someone who used one. > > I use amps for 48 hour contests and this one seems like it should loaf at > 1500watts...but....if there are inherent problems with other components it > ain't worth the heartache. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim, K4OJ > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kb7ww@easystreet.com Sat Feb 9 00:29:55 2002 From: kb7ww@easystreet.com (Arthur Moe) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:29:55 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] DTR2000 Message-ID: <3C646D83.EDAB1FA9@easystreet.com> I owned one, got it as a semi basket case. Sold it to a friend and he is still using it. Did the FILAMENT mods to lower the voltage. When I got it the fan was missing so I installed a blower. Well the new owner thinks it makes to much noise and would like to go back to a fan. Can anyone help with the Make and Model or specifications of the original fan? Thanks Art KB7WW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bobs@isquare.com Sat Feb 9 01:55:05 2002 From: bobs@isquare.com (Bob Sullivan) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:55:05 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Bird Meters Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208205329.00fcfc60@mail.bscnet.com> I'm looking for a couple of the meters that are used in the Bird 43. Does anyone have any they would like to sell or know where I can get them? 73, Bob W0YVA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ku7i@hotmail.com Sat Feb 9 15:35:52 2002 From: ku7i@hotmail.com (Lane Zeitler) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 07:35:52 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] trade Swan MK II Message-ID: I still have the Swan MK II hf amp that I would like to trade for a working older hybrid hf rig such as a TS-530S or FT-902DM. If interested reply to this email and I will give the details. Prefer local deal so you can try out the amp and so I can try out the rig. Lane Ku7i San Diego _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From teamw@quixnet.net Sun Feb 10 00:27:15 2002 From: teamw@quixnet.net (John & Margaret Weatherley) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:27:15 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] AL811h SCHEMATIC Message-ID: <002301c1b1cc$3d610de0$06d06620@d5y9r2> Anyone know where I can view a copy of the Ameritron AL811H schematic? AB4ET -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 15:12:34 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] 1000H and 2500H Bird Slugs Message-ID: <20020210151234.28285.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> What is the average price for Bird 1000H and 2500H slugs in the US? PA0FRI(Frits) in the Netherlands is looking for some. His email is pa0fri@amsat.org 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From JimMoci@aol.com Sun Feb 10 16:27:13 2002 From: JimMoci@aol.com (JimMoci@aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:27:13 EST Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: <63.653f29a.2997f961@aol.com> --part1_63.653f29a.2997f961_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for the guru's out here about peak reading meters. I have a Nye Viking RF power monitor and in the peak reading mode it seems to be pretty accurate when measuring AM power. When running some of my old, plate modulated boatanchors thru it I get a reading of 4 times the carrier power when modulating. When reducing modulation below 100% the reading goes down accordingly. My question is- Does the Bird PEP reading kit work like this also? The old 43 is so slow responding to anything and I dont want to waste my money on it if it does not work on AM. I want to mount one into an old broadcast rig that I tuned up on 160meters but I dont want to punch an extra hole if I am not going to get the desired readings. Thanks for your input! Jim --part1_63.653f29a.2997f961_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for the guru's out here about peak reading meters. I have a Nye Viking RF power monitor and in the peak reading mode it seems to be pretty accurate when measuring AM power. When running some of my old, plate modulated boatanchors thru it I get a reading of 4 times the carrier power when modulating. When reducing modulation below 100% the reading goes down accordingly. My question is- Does the Bird PEP reading kit work like this also? The old 43 is so slow responding to anything and I dont want to waste my money on it if it does not work on AM. I want to mount one into an old broadcast rig that I tuned up on 160meters but I dont want to punch an extra hole if I am not going to get the desired readings.
Thanks for your input!
Jim
--part1_63.653f29a.2997f961_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6ru@bak.rr.com Sun Feb 10 21:11:49 2002 From: w6ru@bak.rr.com (Terry Gaiser) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:11:49 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Henry 4K-Ultra Message-ID: <001101c1b277$8ead29d0$6701a8c0@p4> Good condition Henry 4K-Ultra amplifier ... 3-30 MHZ continuous tuning ... 8877 final tube ... $ 2300.00 pickup in Bakersfield, CA. Terry W6RU 661-366-2211 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 11 15:56:33 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:56:33 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. Use an external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v batteries (two at a time!) like water through a sieve. WB2WIK/6 "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: JimMoci@aol.com [SMTP:JimMoci@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:27 AM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > A question for the guru's out here about peak reading meters. I have a Nye > Viking RF power monitor and in the peak reading mode it seems to be pretty > accurate when measuring AM power. When running some of my old, plate > modulated boatanchors thru it I get a reading of 4 times the carrier power > when modulating. When reducing modulation below 100% the reading goes down > accordingly. My question is- Does the Bird PEP reading kit work like this > also? The old 43 is so slow responding to anything and I dont want to > waste my money on it if it does not work on AM. I want to mount one into > an old broadcast rig that I tuned up on 160meters but I dont want to punch > an extra hole if I am not going to get the desired readings. > Thanks for your input! > Jim -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 11 16:00:13 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:00:13 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] 1000H and 2500H Bird Slugs Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Smith [SMTP:ko4nrbs@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:13 AM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] 1000H and 2500H Bird Slugs > > > What is the average price for Bird 1000H and 2500H > slugs in the US? > ::1000H ~ $65 (used), 2500H ~ $85 (used) New prices available from Richardson Electronics, et al. WB2WIK/6 > PA0FRI(Frits) in the Netherlands is looking for some. > His email is pa0fri@amsat.org > > 73, > Bill > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 11 16:01:35 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:01:35 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird Meters Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Sullivan [SMTP:bobs@isquare.com] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:55 PM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] Bird Meters > > > I'm looking for a couple of the meters that are used in the Bird 43. Does > anyone have any they would like to sell or know where I can get them? > They are available as spare parts from any authorized Bird distributor. As they are 30uA movements, I don't know of any "replacements" other than buying them from Bird. Richardson Electronics used to stock the meters seperately, probably still does. WB2WIK/6 > 73, Bob > W0YVA > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 11 16:04:04 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:04:04 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] AL811h SCHEMATIC Message-ID: It's on page 9 of their manual, on line: http://www.ameritron.com/ameritron/man/pdf/AL-811H.pdf WB2WIK/6 "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: John & Margaret Weatherley [SMTP:teamw@quixnet.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 4:27 PM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] AL811h SCHEMATIC > > > Anyone know where I can view a copy of the Ameritron AL811H schematic? > AB4ET > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk Mon Feb 11 17:14:54 2002 From: mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk (Michael J. Tubby B.Sc. (Hons) G8TIC) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Bird Meters References: Message-ID: <001001c1b31f$9f4dd200$6401a8c0@int.thorcom.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'Bob Sullivan'" ; Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: [AMPS] Bird Meters > > > > > > I'm looking for a couple of the meters that are used in the Bird 43. Does > > anyone have any they would like to sell or know where I can get them? > > > They are available as spare parts from any authorized Bird > distributor. As they are 30uA movements, I don't know of any "replacements" > other than buying them from Bird. Richardson Electronics used to stock the > meters seperately, probably still does. > I recall seeing these in the Surplus Sales (Nebraska) catalogue - can't put my hands on mine right now. Mike G8TIC > WB2WIK/6 > > > 73, Bob > > W0YVA > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From raul@antennaworld.com Sun Feb 10 17:43:03 2002 From: raul@antennaworld.com (Raul Pla) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:43:03 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic References: Message-ID: <010d01c1b25a$649d0f60$0101a8c0@radio> My 9v Batts last months. I just turn on the power when I really want to see my voice peaks. 73 de W4AWI ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Katz To: ; Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. Use an > external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v batteries > (two at a time!) like water through a sieve. > > WB2WIK/6 > > "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- > Henry Kissinger > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JimMoci@aol.com [SMTP:JimMoci@aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:27 AM > > To: amps@contesting.com > > Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > > > A question for the guru's out here about peak reading meters. I have a Nye > > Viking RF power monitor and in the peak reading mode it seems to be pretty > > accurate when measuring AM power. When running some of my old, plate > > modulated boatanchors thru it I get a reading of 4 times the carrier power > > when modulating. When reducing modulation below 100% the reading goes down > > accordingly. My question is- Does the Bird PEP reading kit work like this > > also? The old 43 is so slow responding to anything and I dont want to > > waste my money on it if it does not work on AM. I want to mount one into > > an old broadcast rig that I tuned up on 160meters but I dont want to punch > > an extra hole if I am not going to get the desired readings. > > Thanks for your input! > > Jim > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL" Message-ID: <003901c1b324$34ae0960$0200a8c0@wch.adelphia.net> > I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. Use an > external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v batteries > (two at a time!) like water through a sieve. > > WB2WIK/6 I have the kit put out by Bob Crews, KJ4CQ, which also ate 9v batteries. I solved the problem by substituting two small 9VDC wall warts for the batts. Works like a charm. Ken K4XL k4xl@arrl.net *** BoatAnchor Manual Archive *** On the web at http://bama.sbc.edu or FTP site info: bama.sbc.edu login: anonymous p/w: youremailadr -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 11 17:45:32 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:45:32 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: W4AWI: You found the secret, obviously. But most of us, me included, don't switch wattmeters "on" and "off." In fact, I don't really switch anything on and off -- my gear is mostly on continuously, whether I'm home or not (except for power amplifiers using tubes). Since all together, it draws about 1/6 the power of my spare refrigerator, which I wouldn't dream of shutting off, this seems sensible. WB2WIK/6 "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: Raul Pla [SMTP:raul@antennaworld.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:43 AM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: Re: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > > My 9v Batts last months. I just turn on the power when I really want to > see > my voice peaks. > > 73 de W4AWI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Katz > To: ; > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:56 AM > Subject: RE: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > > > > > I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. Use > an > > external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v > batteries > > (two at a time!) like water through a sieve. > > > > WB2WIK/6 > > > > "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult > problem." -- > > Henry Kissinger > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: JimMoci@aol.com [SMTP:JimMoci@aol.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:27 AM > > > To: amps@contesting.com > > > Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > > > > > A question for the guru's out here about peak reading meters. I have a > Nye > > > Viking RF power monitor and in the peak reading mode it seems to be > pretty > > > accurate when measuring AM power. When running some of my old, plate > > > modulated boatanchors thru it I get a reading of 4 times the carrier > power > > > when modulating. When reducing modulation below 100% the reading goes > down > > > accordingly. My question is- Does the Bird PEP reading kit work like > this > > > also? The old 43 is so slow responding to anything and I dont want to > > > waste my money on it if it does not work on AM. I want to mount one > into > > > an old broadcast rig that I tuned up on 160meters but I dont want to > punch > > > an extra hole if I am not going to get the desired readings. > > > Thanks for your input! > > > Jim > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w4au@contesting.com Mon Feb 11 20:23:49 2002 From: w4au@contesting.com (John Unger) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:23:49 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Eimac Handbook for sale Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211151332.00c9da80@gsvaresm01.er.usgs.gov> I have an 1951 Eimac Handbook for sale. This one was published by Eitel-McCullough, Inc. It is about 1" thick and contains Eimac data sheets on all their power triode, tetrode, pentode, and rectifier tubes and vacuum caps of that vintage, along with other bits and pieces. There are lots of application notes included, too. It is soft cover and in very good condition. The covers show wear and small tears but there are no torn pages, etc. This publication is a wealth of information for amp builders using older tube designs; it does include data on the 4-1000A. I am asking $35.00, which includes Priority Mail to your doorstep in the lower 48. tnx es 73 - John, W4AU -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From philk5pc@tyler.net Mon Feb 11 22:32:45 2002 From: philk5pc@tyler.net (Phil Clements) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:32:45 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Bird Meters References: Message-ID: <002001c1b34c$07617b40$2d084c42@philk5pc> I buy my Bird stuff direct from the factory. Great folks to deal with, and fast service. (((73))) Phil, K5PC Subject: RE: [AMPS] Bird Meters > > I'm looking for a couple of the meters that are used in the Bird 43. Does > > anyone have any they would like to sell or know where I can get them? > > > They are available as spare parts from any authorized Bird > distributor. As they are 30uA movements, I don't know of any "replacements" > other than buying them from Bird. Richardson Electronics used to stock the > meters seperately, probably still does. > > WB2WIK/6 > > > 73, Bob > > W0YVA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From JimMoci@aol.com Mon Feb 11 22:50:05 2002 From: JimMoci@aol.com (JimMoci@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:50:05 EST Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! Message-ID: <7a.222a0ccd.2999a49d@aol.com> --part1_7a.222a0ccd.2999a49d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info and all of your experiences with the P.E.P. kit for the Bird 43. I will order one up and try it out. Thanks again and 73! Jim --part1_7a.222a0ccd.2999a49d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info and all of your experiences with the P.E.P. kit for the Bird 43. I will order one up and try it out.
Thanks again and 73!
Jim
--part1_7a.222a0ccd.2999a49d_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 11 23:16:08 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:16:08 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! Message-ID: Don't forget that to measure VSWR, you need a slug for "reflected" reading that's several times more sensitive than the one used for "forward" power. If you're a Bird user, you already knew that...! 73, Steve, WB2WIK/6 "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: JimMoci@aol.com [SMTP:JimMoci@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:50 PM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! > > Thanks for the info and all of your experiences with the P.E.P. kit for > the Bird 43. I will order one up and try it out. > Thanks again and 73! > Jim -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7rdx@earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 00:28:19 2002 From: k7rdx@earthlink.net (k7rdx) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:28:19 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Eimac Handbook for sale References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211151332.00c9da80@gsvaresm01.er.usgs.gov> Message-ID: <002d01c1b35c$2d93ab20$6342e243@jim> This Eimac data is also available on cd, check ebay and other internet sites. I paid $12.00 for my cd,that includes Eimac,Taylor,and RCA data. Jim,k7rdx ----- Original Message ----- From: John Unger To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [AMPS] Eimac Handbook for sale > > I have an 1951 Eimac Handbook for sale. This one was published by Eitel-McCullough, Inc. It is about 1" thick and contains Eimac data sheets on all their power triode, tetrode, pentode, and rectifier tubes and vacuum caps of that vintage, along with other bits and pieces. There are lots of application notes included, too. It is soft cover and in very good condition. The covers show wear and small tears but there are no torn pages, etc. This publication is a wealth of information for amp builders using older tube designs; it does include data on the 4-1000A. > > I am asking $35.00, which includes Priority Mail to your doorstep in the lower 48. > > tnx es 73 - John, W4AU > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7rdx@earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 00:40:53 2002 From: k7rdx@earthlink.net (k7rdx) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:40:53 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! References: Message-ID: <003b01c1b35d$ee170120$6342e243@jim> Great info from one who forgets to turn off switch on his Bird! I have a 43p that has factory peak kit and after two years I still have fresh batterys!(Perhaps here in the Northwest we have better power rates?) Anyway,the Bird is a great meter, and if you don`t know how to figure power ratios RFParts has a handy Bird chart.... give them a call. Jim,k7rdx ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Katz To: ; Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! > > Don't forget that to measure VSWR, you need a slug for "reflected" reading > that's several times more sensitive than the one used for "forward" power. > If you're a Bird user, you already knew that...! > > 73, Steve, WB2WIK/6 > > "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- > Henry Kissinger > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JimMoci@aol.com [SMTP:JimMoci@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:50 PM > > To: amps@contesting.com > > Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! > > > > Thanks for the info and all of your experiences with the P.E.P. kit for > > the Bird 43. I will order one up and try it out. > > Thanks again and 73! > > Jim > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7fm@teleport.com Tue Feb 12 03:31:05 2002 From: k7fm@teleport.com (Lamb) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:31:05 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! References: Message-ID: <002f01c1b375$b4fe6140$490c1ad8@colinlam> "Don't forget that to measure VSWR, you need a slug for "reflected" reading that's several times more sensitive than the one used for "forward" power. If you're a Bird user, you already knew that...! 73, Steve, WB2WIK/6" Do you mean that forward power is not supposed to equal reflected power? I thought 1:1 was what we were trying to achieve. How are we going to heat the shack if all the power goes elsewhere? If the power leaks out of the antenna, most of it is wasted - because it goes where no one is. If it is reflected, I know where all of it goes. Colin K7FM -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wd0ct@networksplus.net Tue Feb 12 04:09:45 2002 From: wd0ct@networksplus.net (Steven Moore) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:09:45 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] bird battery help Message-ID: <003e01c1b37b$1c201b20$3f20e9cc@SteveMoore> Hi, I have a friend's bird 4311 [peak hold] meter that needs batteries. It has a 22 volt and a 5.6 volt in it--both with the positive end grounded. I think they may both be mercury batteries. The setup in use looks very crude-wrong. Anyone know what this meter is supposed to use for batteries and the correct installation? Thanks 73 Steve wd0ct -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Tue Feb 12 06:59:26 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:59:26 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: <20020211.225927.-292305.0.nospam4me@juno.com> Hello Amps Members, I'm trying to source a supply of 50 ohm Teflon type/style coax, the "smaller sized" white stuff. Some solid state VHF&UHF Amplifiers use this coax for internal paths. There are two sizes that I know about. One size is a reduced RG-58 type, another even smaller heading down to the RG-174 type. What I need is the RG-174 type of Teflon coax. None of the white type found in amplifiers has a type or part number indicated. I'd like to find a retailer or small quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild and a few other projects. I'd even settle for the larger 58 size stuff if I can find it. Any help...? thanks skipp nospam4me@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From drkirkby@ntlworld.com Tue Feb 12 09:32:54 2002 From: drkirkby@ntlworld.com (David Kirkby) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:32:54 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic References: <003901c1b324$34ae0960$0200a8c0@wch.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3C68E146.8010800@ntlworld.com> Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL wrote: >>I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. >> > Use an > >>external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v >> > batteries > >>(two at a time!) like water through a sieve. That sounds like very poor design. The meter is only 30 uA, so even to keep the meter at FSD, cells should last almost forever. The electronics to keep the peak must use very little power - a precision rectifier and storage capacitor would probably do it. Something seems amis. -- Dr. David Kirkby PhD, email: drkirkby@ntlworld.com former email address: davek@medphys.ucl.ac.uk web page: http://www.david-kirkby.co.uk/ Amateur radio callsign: G8WRB -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From brian.kline@hybrid.com Tue Feb 12 09:33:16 2002 From: brian.kline@hybrid.com (brian.kline@hybrid.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:33:16 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: <040D92FFE6C74D45B8B63B465C31AB44AA1FCB@Enterprise.hybrid.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B3A8.4C79C190 Content-Type: text/plain Hi Skipp The common white Teflon coax that I run across is RG-188. You are correct I have never seen the part number on it but Teflon jackets do not take printing well. A fairly complete listing of Teflon coax cables is below RG Number Belden Number Cable OD RG-393 .390 50 Ohm, RG-8 size coax RG-304/U .280 50 ohm RG-141A/U 83241 .187 Single shield, 50 Ohm RG-58 size coax RG-142B/U 83242 .195 Double shielded,50 Ohm RG-58 size coax RG-400/U .195 50 Ohm RG-58 size coax RG-303/U 84303 .170 50 ohm RG-180/U 83264 .141 50 ohm RG-187A/U 83267 .111 50 ohm, White Teflon tape jacket RG-188A 83269 .108 50 ohm, White Teflon tape jacket RG-179/U 83264 .100 75 ohm RG-174 size coax. Very common for 75 ohm cabling RG-316/U 84303,84316 .098 50 ohm, RG-178B/U 83265 .071 50 ohm, Very small Teflon coax Thermax/sonic (http://www.thermaxcdt.com) is another large manufacturer of Teflon coax cables. RF parts has RG-316, 141, 142, 179 Also of interest for those making some types of power splitters and combiners for solid state power amps Communications Concepts (http://www.communications-concepts.com) has 25 ohm coax DA25070, DA25090, Microdot D260-41180-0000. Hopefully this will give you some options to chose from. Brian Kline WA6QDP > ---------- > From: skipp isaham[SMTP:nospam4me@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:59 PM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff > > > > Hello Amps Members, > > I'm trying to source a supply of 50 ohm Teflon type/style > coax, the "smaller sized" white stuff. > > Some solid state VHF&UHF Amplifiers use this coax > for internal paths. There are two sizes that I know about. > One size is a reduced RG-58 type, another even smaller > heading down to the RG-174 type. > > What I need is the RG-174 type of Teflon coax. None of > the white type found in amplifiers has a type or part > number indicated. I'd like to find a retailer or small > quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild and a few other > projects. I'd even settle for the larger 58 size stuff if > I can find it. > > Any help...? > > thanks > skipp > > nospam4me@juno.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B3A8.4C79C190 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff

Hi Skipp

The common white Teflon coax that I = run across is RG-188. You are correct I have never seen the part number = on it but Teflon jackets do not take printing well.

A fairly complete listing of Teflon = coax cables is below

RG = Number       Belden Number   = Cable OD       
RG-393  =         =         =         .390    =         50 Ohm, RG-8 size = coax
RG-304/U        =         =         .280    =         50 ohm
RG-141A/U       = 83241           = .187            = Single shield, 50 Ohm   RG-58 size coax
RG-142B/U       = 83242           = .195            = Double shielded,50 Ohm RG-58 size coax
RG-400/U        =         =         .195    =         50 Ohm RG-58 size = coax
RG-303/U        = 84303           = .170            50 = ohm
RG-180/U        = 83264           = .141            50 = ohm
RG-187A/U       = 83267           = .111            50 = ohm, White Teflon tape jacket
RG-188A 83269   =         .108    =         50 ohm, White Teflon tape = jacket
RG-179/U        = 83264           = .100            75 = ohm RG-174 size coax. Very common for 75 ohm cabling
RG-316/U        = 84303,84316     .098    =         50 ohm,
RG-178B/U       = 83265           = .071            50 = ohm, Very small Teflon coax

Thermax/sonic (http://www.thermaxcdt.com)  is another large manufacturer of Teflon = coax cables.

RF parts has RG-316, 141, 142, = 179

Also of interest for those making some = types of power splitters and combiners for solid state power = amps
Communications Concepts = (http://www.communications-concepts.com<= FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">)

has 25 ohm coax DA25070, DA25090, = Microdot D260-41180-0000.

Hopefully this will give you some = options to chose from.

Brian Kline
WA6QDP


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    From:   = skipp = isaham[SMTP:nospam4me@juno.com]
    Sent:   = Monday, February 11, 2002 10:59 = PM
    To: =     amps@contesting.com
    Subject: =        [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff



    Hello Amps Members,

    I'm trying to source a supply of 50 = ohm Teflon type/style
    coax, the "smaller sized" = white stuff. 

    Some solid state VHF&UHF = Amplifiers use this coax
    for internal paths.   There = are two sizes that I know about.
    One size is a reduced RG-58 type, = another even smaller
    heading down to the RG-174 type. =

    What I need is the RG-174 type of = Teflon coax.  None of
    the white type found in amplifiers = has a type or part
    number indicated.   I'd = like to find a retailer or small
    quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild = and a few other
    projects. I'd even settle for the = larger 58 size stuff if
    I can find it.

    Any help...?

    thanks
    skipp

    nospam4me@juno.com

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    Join Juno today!  For your FREE = software, visit:
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B3A8.4C79C190-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk Tue Feb 12 10:46:46 2002 From: mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk (Michael J. Tubby B.Sc. (Hons) G8TIC) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:46:46 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff References: <20020211.225927.-292305.0.nospam4me@juno.com> Message-ID: <008201c1b3b2$915f5860$6401a8c0@int.thorcom.com> > > Hello Amps Members, > > I'm trying to source a supply of 50 ohm Teflon type/style > coax, the "smaller sized" white stuff. > > Some solid state VHF&UHF Amplifiers use this coax > for internal paths. There are two sizes that I know about. > One size is a reduced RG-58 type, another even smaller > heading down to the RG-174 type. > > What I need is the RG-174 type of Teflon coax. None of > the white type found in amplifiers has a type or part > number indicated. I'd like to find a retailer or small > quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild and a few other > projects. I'd even settle for the larger 58 size stuff if > I can find it. > > Any help...? > > thanks > skipp > Skipp, I think the coax you're referring to is RG188 - approximately 3.3mm OD white Teflon/PTFE, 50 ohm. I have some here in the UK... but you should be able to find it more locally. Mike G8TIC/M0VHF -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Raul@antennaworld.com Tue Feb 12 13:06:15 2002 From: Raul@antennaworld.com (Raul Jose Pla) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:06:15 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: <692D6A449848D411BDE900D0B78828740AC33E@ANTENNAUSMIF01> Have you contacted Nemal Electronics in Miami? It may be pricey for just a few feet but Im 90% he has it. 73 de W4AWI Raul -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Tubby B.Sc. (Hons) G8TIC [mailto:mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:47 AM To: amps@contesting.com; skipp isaham Subject: Re: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff > > Hello Amps Members, > > I'm trying to source a supply of 50 ohm Teflon type/style > coax, the "smaller sized" white stuff. > > Some solid state VHF&UHF Amplifiers use this coax > for internal paths. There are two sizes that I know about. > One size is a reduced RG-58 type, another even smaller > heading down to the RG-174 type. > > What I need is the RG-174 type of Teflon coax. None of > the white type found in amplifiers has a type or part > number indicated. I'd like to find a retailer or small > quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild and a few other > projects. I'd even settle for the larger 58 size stuff if > I can find it. > > Any help...? > > thanks > skipp > Skipp, I think the coax you're referring to is RG188 - approximately 3.3mm OD white Teflon/PTFE, 50 ohm. I have some here in the UK... but you should be able to find it more locally. Mike G8TIC/M0VHF -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w4au@contesting.com Tue Feb 12 13:09:36 2002 From: w4au@contesting.com (John Unger) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:09:36 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Eimac Handbook sold In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211151332.00c9da80@gsvaresm01.er.usgs.gov> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020212080815.00d9abe0@gsvaresm01.er.usgs.gov> Thanks for all the responses; the Eimac Handbook has been sold. 73 - John, W4AU -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w4au@contesting.com Tue Feb 12 13:36:51 2002 From: w4au@contesting.com (John Unger) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:36:51 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff In-Reply-To: <692D6A449848D411BDE900D0B78828740AC33E@ANTENNAUSMIF01> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020212083454.00bcb130@gsvaresm01.er.usgs.gov> Check out http://worldwidewire.com/ They have odd lengths of different types of wire including teflon coax. I've gotten teflon hookup wire in small quantities. 73 - John, W4AU At 08:06 2/12/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Hello Amps Members, >> >> I'm trying to source a supply of 50 ohm Teflon type/style >> coax, the "smaller sized" white stuff. >> >> Some solid state VHF&UHF Amplifiers use this coax >> for internal paths. There are two sizes that I know about. >> One size is a reduced RG-58 type, another even smaller >> heading down to the RG-174 type. >> >> What I need is the RG-174 type of Teflon coax. None of >> the white type found in amplifiers has a type or part >> number indicated. I'd like to find a retailer or small >> quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild and a few other >> projects. I'd even settle for the larger 58 size stuff if >> I can find it. >> >> Any help...? >> >> thanks >> skipp >> > >Skipp, > >I think the coax you're referring to is RG188 - approximately >3.3mm OD white Teflon/PTFE, 50 ohm. > >I have some here in the UK... but you should be able to find >it more locally. > > >Mike G8TIC/M0VHF > > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 15:48:09 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:48:09 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! Message-ID: > "Don't forget that to measure VSWR, you need a slug for "reflected" > reading > that's several times more sensitive than the one used for "forward" power. > If you're a Bird user, you already knew that...! > > 73, Steve, WB2WIK/6" > > Do you mean that forward power is not supposed to equal reflected power? > I > thought 1:1 was what we were trying to achieve. How are we going to heat > the shack if all the power goes elsewhere? If the power leaks out of the > antenna, most of it is wasted - because it goes where no one is. If it is > reflected, I know where all of it goes. > > Colin K7FM > ::Colin, you seem to have it all under control. But you might consider placing the short circuit directly at the amplifier output to realize the full benefit of this, thereby rendering the coax and antenna superfluous. By saving money on feedlines and beams, you can invest in higher powered amplifiers, no? -WB2WIK/6 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 15:54:06 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:54:06 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: skipp isaham [SMTP:nospam4me@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:59 PM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff > > > > Hello Amps Members, > > I'm trying to source a supply of 50 ohm Teflon type/style > coax, the "smaller sized" white stuff. > > Some solid state VHF&UHF Amplifiers use this coax > for internal paths. There are two sizes that I know about. > One size is a reduced RG-58 type, another even smaller > heading down to the RG-174 type. > ::The RG58-sized Teflon coax is RG142 (solid conductor) or RG400 (stranded conductor). The RG174-sized Teflon coax is RG178 or RG196, and the stuff that's a tad smaller than RG174 is RG188 or RG316. All are PTFE with silver-plated conductors. Don't use much of the "small stuff," it's extremely lossy (RG188, for example, is 16.7 dB/100' at 400 MHz. Even 5 feet has measurable loss.) 73, Steve, WB2WIK/6 > What I need is the RG-174 type of Teflon coax. None of > the white type found in amplifiers has a type or part > number indicated. I'd like to find a retailer or small > quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild and a few other > projects. I'd even settle for the larger 58 size stuff if > I can find it. > > Any help...? > > thanks > skipp > > nospam4me@juno.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 15:57:06 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:57:06 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: > Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL wrote: > > >>I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. > >> > > Use an > > > >>external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v > >> > > batteries > > > >>(two at a time!) like water through a sieve. > That sounds like very poor design. The meter is only 30 uA, so even to > keep the meter > > at FSD, cells should last almost forever. The electronics to keep the peak > must > use very little power - a precision rectifier and storage capacitor would > probably do it. Something seems amis. > ::Nothing's amiss, it's a really old design using active differential amplifiers circa 1970's. -WB2WIK/6 > -- > Dr. David Kirkby PhD, > email: drkirkby@ntlworld.com > former email address: davek@medphys.ucl.ac.uk > web page: http://www.david-kirkby.co.uk/ > Amateur radio callsign: G8WRB > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Tue Feb 12 16:22:29 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:22:29 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: <001c01c1b3e1$78221e80$9e0d7ad5@office> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Katz To: 'skipp isaham' ; amps@contesting.com Date: 12 February 2002 16:03 Subject: RE: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff > ::The RG58-sized Teflon coax is RG142 (solid conductor) or RG400 >(stranded conductor). The RG174-sized Teflon coax is RG178 or RG196, and >the stuff that's a tad smaller than RG174 is RG188 or RG316. All are PTFE >with silver-plated conductors. Don't use much of the "small stuff," it's >extremely lossy (RG188, for example, is 16.7 dB/100' at 400 MHz. Even 5 >feet has measurable loss.) Very minor point - RG178 is .071" od, RG188 is .102" Alcatel have cables called Filotex, which include .047" and .035" od. Quite useful if you actively want attenuation to adjust drive level. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 16:23:38 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:23:38 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: > Hi, > > Steve Katz wrote: > > > ::Nothing's amiss, it's a really old design using active > > differential amplifiers circa 1970's. > holdup amps.> > > -WB2WIK/6 > > Be happy they peak-hold kit design is not from the same year as the meter > is.. > back in the 50's they did not know about op-amps certainly not a (LM-324) > Quad > uA-741.. hihi How huge would it be when the should have used tuubes > instead... > not to mention the power consumption.. > > But if you use a single 9V AC adapter you just have to add 2 470uF > capacitors > and 2 diodes in this way you make a voltage doubler, add some voltage > regulators and you'll never have to change batteries anymore.. > ::The reason I use batteries is because my Birds are portable (see the little leather handle straps on top?) and rarely sit in one place. Most of my measurements are "field" measurements, and no AC around...batteries are very nice. I don't leave a wattmeter in the line all the time at home -- my antennas are all matched, what else do I need to know? (It's possible to tune your amp for maximum RFI to the stereo system in the next room. If you have a really big amplifier, you can use instead the stereo system in a neighbor's house, or maximum smoke detector activations in the neighborhood.) However, I did build a battery replacement for the 43P, using two 9V wall-warts, a cube tap (3-way AC adapter) and two isolated DC connectors (coaxial mini-DIN). Total cost of the accessory was about $10. -WB2WIK/6 > 73! de John PA5MS > (changing batteries every 2 monthts too.....) > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 16:26:15 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:26:15 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: > Very minor point - RG178 is .071" od, RG188 is .102" > ::My eyes can't see either one very well, I'm afraid. > Alcatel have cables called Filotex, which include .047" and .035" od. > Quite > useful if you actively want attenuation to adjust drive level. ::The perfect CB solution! Can you get several thousand feet of the .035" stuff with PL-259's installed, for me to provide to all the local "free banders?" It would be best if it was labeled (microscoping 1-point print is okay) "Super Range Extender Coax" or something like that, makes it more marketable. Help? -WB2WIK/6 > Steve > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk Tue Feb 12 17:25:20 2002 From: mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk (Michael J. Tubby B.Sc. (Hons) G8TIC) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:25:20 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! References: Message-ID: <006301c1b3ea$3eeea170$6401a8c0@int.thorcom.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'Lamb'" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! > > > > > > "Don't forget that to measure VSWR, you need a slug for "reflected" > > reading > > that's several times more sensitive than the one used for "forward" power. > > If you're a Bird user, you already knew that...! > > > > 73, Steve, WB2WIK/6" > > > > Do you mean that forward power is not supposed to equal reflected power? > > I > > thought 1:1 was what we were trying to achieve. How are we going to heat > > the shack if all the power goes elsewhere? If the power leaks out of the > > antenna, most of it is wasted - because it goes where no one is. If it is > > reflected, I know where all of it goes. > > > > Colin K7FM > > > ::Colin, you seem to have it all under control. But you might > consider placing the short circuit directly at the amplifier output to > realize the full benefit of this, thereby rendering the coax and antenna > superfluous. By saving money on feedlines and beams, you can invest in > higher powered amplifiers, no? > I have an even better spin on this... you can save even putting the short circuit on the outside and even needing RF drive to energise it! Disconnect the antennas, feeders, HF rig (driver) - you can sell them all if you wish - just adjust the grid bias volts down to increase Izsac until it reaches Pdiss for the output tube(s) of your amplifier. No RF drive is required! No EMC/TVI problems! Plenty of heat for the shack! I must try it with my 8877 6m amplifier - should equate to about a 1.5KW heater (3000V @ 500mA). Mike G8TIC/M0VHF -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk Tue Feb 12 17:28:18 2002 From: mike.tubby@thorcom.co.uk (Michael J. Tubby B.Sc. (Hons) G8TIC) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:28:18 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic References: Message-ID: <006a01c1b3ea$a935d080$6401a8c0@int.thorcom.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'John Peters'" Cc: "'David Kirkby'" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic > > > > > Hi, > > > > Steve Katz wrote: > > > > > ::Nothing's amiss, it's a really old design using active > > > differential amplifiers circa 1970's. > > holdup amps.> > > > -WB2WIK/6 > > > > Be happy they peak-hold kit design is not from the same year as the meter > > is.. > > back in the 50's they did not know about op-amps certainly not a (LM-324) > > Quad > > uA-741.. hihi How huge would it be when the should have used tuubes > > instead... > > not to mention the power consumption.. > > > > But if you use a single 9V AC adapter you just have to add 2 470uF > > capacitors > > and 2 diodes in this way you make a voltage doubler, add some voltage > > regulators and you'll never have to change batteries anymore.. > > > ::The reason I use batteries is because my Birds are portable (see > the little leather handle straps on top?) and rarely sit in one place. Most > of my measurements are "field" measurements, and no AC around...batteries > are very nice. I don't leave a wattmeter in the line all the time at home > -- my antennas are all matched, what else do I need to know? (It's possible > to tune your amp for maximum RFI to the stereo system in the next room. If > you have a really big amplifier, you can use instead the stereo system in a > neighbor's house, or maximum smoke detector activations in the > neighborhood.) However, I did build a battery replacement for the 43P, using > two 9V wall-warts, a cube tap (3-way AC adapter) and two isolated DC > connectors (coaxial mini-DIN). Total cost of the accessory was about $10. You might like to look at K0XP's web site at: http://www.qsl.net/k0xp/Technical/PEPMeter/PEPMeter.htm where you'll find details of a 'modern' PEP reading modification for a Bird 43 which uses an LM324 quad-opamp and should run for weeks of a couple of batteries. I'm just building two on stripboard for my model 43's. Mike G8TIC/M0VHF > -WB2WIK/6 > > 73! de John PA5MS > > (changing batteries every 2 monthts too.....) > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kc5vdj@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 20:25:02 2002 From: kc5vdj@yahoo.com (Jim Bryant) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:25:02 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: <3C697A1E.9080800@yahoo.com> Jim Strohm wrote: > "Jimmy Jones" writes -- > > >>I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that someone >>else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply trying to >>make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell everyone who >>his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? >> > > For your first point -- it's called "research." In some venues such as > amateur radio, it's considered proper to share the results of one's > experiments without significant renumeration. Gee, I thought socialism and ham radio were mutually exclusive? jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! ----------------------------------------------------- POWER TO THE PEOPLE! ----------------------------------------------------- "Religious fundamentalism is the biggest threat to international security that exists today." United Nations Secretary General B.B.Ghali, 1995 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Tue Feb 12 21:06:51 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:06:51 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions In-Reply-To: <3C697A1E.9080800@yahoo.com> References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: kc5vdj@yahoo.com wrote >Gee, I thought socialism and ham radio were mutually exclusive? I should probably go off on you, but I won't. Instead, it is my most fervent wish that you carry yourself and both your remaining brain cells down to the nearest real library, and look at professional journals such as the Proceedings of the IEEE, the Journal of American Medicine, the New England Journal of Medicine, and maybe some others -- and see how professionals share the findings of their research. That does NOT mean that these researchers are giving away any trade secrets or competitive advantages. They are SHARING the knowledge they have found. If some process or idea is so significant that it needs protection by patent, then it certainly should be patented before disclosure -- in fact, US patent law specifically requires that ideas for patent be filed before public disclosure; otherwise, the idea is released to the public domain. Inventors and great thinkers should be well-compensated for their toils. At the same time, the obvious benefits from these endeavors should NOT be withheld from the public. Otherwise, their work spent developing a great breakthrough in technology is work merely pissed down the toilet. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kkanakas@cisco.com Tue Feb 12 21:25:22 2002 From: kkanakas@cisco.com (krishna) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:25:22 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help Message-ID: <3C698842.DD03A469@cisco.com> Hi all, First i would like to thank you all for helping me make a decision about the TL-922A. I am a happy camper. I bought the TL-922A for $675. It was amazingly clean for its age. I was even more surprised, since the seller appraised it to be of average condition. But it tuned out to be quite clean. I opened it up and no burns around the bandswitch. The tubes are clean. The previous owner was only driving it to about 600mA plate current. Looks like the amp was well taken care of before he moved to a nice ALPHA. I also got a pair of Eimac's as a backup( though not full emission). In short, i have a complete QRO package now. :) Now here is the sad part of the story. Not being able to suppress the urge to put things together, I started messing up with my perfectly working TS-440. My one and only radio. The users manual requires one to setup the jumper to enable the remote option for keying the linear. I did so. The manual has a diagram of the7-pin remote connector. I bought a 7-pin DIN connector and soldered wires to the terminals. I always had the rig connected to the dummy load. I would key and try to check for voltages on the terminals( hoping to see the relay keying voltages). Apparently i did not see any. I tried to hit the PTT on the stock microphone. Now, when i power on, i see the "ON AIR" red LED on. If i key down, i get full output to the dummy load. But i don't hear any stations. But if i change modes or manipulate the keypad, i hear the beeps. I also don't see the 'S' meter move. I checked and double checked the usual murphy steps before shooting out this email. May be i fried the front end :( Before i started mucking with it, i was able to hear stations at about s2/3 via the dummy load on the MFJ-949E. :) Anyone got any tip for me . 1) I need to make an interface cable to hook up the amp. ?? 2) Any clues as to what could have gone wrong with the TS-440( a stuck relay perhaps).?? Looks like its time to drive down south to the Kenwood service center. :( I have been depressed all afternoon. Once again, Thank you all. 73's krish w4/vu2vku -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 21:48:42 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:42 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help Message-ID: Krish, Sounds like you may have confused the AMP KEY RELAY line with the REMOTE KEY line (or whatever these are actually called on a TS440S -- names vary, but I'm referring to functions). A remote key line is in parallel with the PTT and allows the use of a footswitch or other external keying device to key the transmitter and place it into the XMIT mode. An amp key line connects to an internal relay which grounds this one contact when the rig is placed into XMIT from some other source, such as the PTT switch or the MOX (manual transmit) button. If you've connected your amp to the remote key line, it won't key the amp and may very well hang up the TS440 in the transmit mode. I doubt that you've "fried" anything. You're not hearing any stations because the rig is in the XMIT mode and cannot receive. I assume you've unplugged the DIN connector??????? WB2WIK/6 "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: krishna [SMTP:kkanakas@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:25 PM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help > > > Hi all, > First i would like to thank you all for helping me make a decision > about > the TL-922A. > > I am a happy camper. I bought the TL-922A for $675. It was amazingly > clean for its age. I was even more surprised, since the seller > appraised it to be of average condition. But it tuned out to be > quite clean. I opened it up and no burns around the bandswitch. > The tubes are clean. The previous owner was only driving it > to about 600mA plate current. Looks like the amp was well taken care > of before he moved to a nice ALPHA. > > I also got a pair of Eimac's as a backup( though not full emission). > In short, i have a complete QRO package now. :) > > > Now here is the sad part of the story. > > Not being able to suppress the urge to put things together, > I started messing up with my perfectly working TS-440. My > one and only radio. > > The users manual requires one to setup the jumper to enable the remote > option for keying the linear. I did so. > > The manual has a diagram of the7-pin remote connector. I bought a 7-pin > DIN > connector and soldered wires to the terminals. > > I always had the rig connected to the dummy load. I would key and > try to check for voltages on the terminals( hoping to see the relay > keying > voltages). Apparently i did not see any. I tried to hit the PTT on the > stock microphone. > > Now, when i power on, i see the "ON AIR" red LED on. If i key down, i > get full output to the dummy load. But i don't hear any stations. But > if > i change modes or manipulate the keypad, i hear the beeps. I also don't > see the 'S' meter move. I checked and double checked the usual murphy > steps before shooting out this email. May be i fried the front end :( > > Before i started mucking with it, i was able to hear stations at about > s2/3 via the dummy load on the MFJ-949E. :) > > Anyone got any tip for me . > 1) I need to make an interface cable to hook up the amp. ?? > 2) Any clues as to what could have gone wrong with the TS-440( a stuck > relay perhaps).?? > > Looks like its time to drive down south to the Kenwood service center. > :( > > I have been depressed all afternoon. > > Once again, Thank you all. > > 73's > krish > w4/vu2vku > > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kkanakas@cisco.com Tue Feb 12 22:08:15 2002 From: kkanakas@cisco.com (krishna) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:08:15 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help References: Message-ID: <3C69924F.B4B9B866@cisco.com> Steve, I did unplug the DIN connector. The rig is still stuck in the xmit mode. I was planning on resetting the microprocessor. But if there was some diagnostic info that would be lost by doing so, i never wanted to lose it for lack of the knowledge. So i decided not to reset it. The 7-pin DIN connector pin configuration was something like this. The pin numbers are not correct, but i want to give an idea of what the diagram looked like.( i don't have the manual with me right now). pins 1,2,3 for the TX,RX and centre poles of a relay pin 4, +12V at 10mA on keydown. pin 5, ALC pin 6 - for foot switch or so. pin 7 - unused I was hoping to connect the TX and ground to the amp keying jack. I was hoping to connect the ALC and ground to the amp ALC jack. I used the above 7-pin connector because that was what was presented in the section on hooking up to a liner amp. thanks krish w4/vu2vku Steve Katz wrote: > Krish, > > Sounds like you may have confused the AMP KEY RELAY line with the REMOTE KEY > line (or whatever these are actually called on a TS440S -- names vary, but > I'm referring to functions). > > A remote key line is in parallel with the PTT and allows the use of a > footswitch or other external keying device to key the transmitter and place > it into the XMIT mode. An amp key line connects to an internal relay which > grounds this one contact when the rig is placed into XMIT from some other > source, such as the PTT switch or the MOX (manual transmit) button. > > If you've connected your amp to the remote key line, it won't key the amp > and may very well hang up the TS440 in the transmit mode. I doubt that > you've "fried" anything. You're not hearing any stations because the rig is > in the XMIT mode and cannot receive. > > I assume you've unplugged the DIN connector??????? > > WB2WIK/6 > > "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- > Henry Kissinger > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krishna [SMTP:kkanakas@cisco.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:25 PM > > To: amps@contesting.com > > Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help > > > > > > Hi all, > > First i would like to thank you all for helping me make a decision > > about > > the TL-922A. > > > > I am a happy camper. I bought the TL-922A for $675. It was amazingly > > clean for its age. I was even more surprised, since the seller > > appraised it to be of average condition. But it tuned out to be > > quite clean. I opened it up and no burns around the bandswitch. > > The tubes are clean. The previous owner was only driving it > > to about 600mA plate current. Looks like the amp was well taken care > > of before he moved to a nice ALPHA. > > > > I also got a pair of Eimac's as a backup( though not full emission). > > In short, i have a complete QRO package now. :) > > > > > > Now here is the sad part of the story. > > > > Not being able to suppress the urge to put things together, > > I started messing up with my perfectly working TS-440. My > > one and only radio. > > > > The users manual requires one to setup the jumper to enable the remote > > option for keying the linear. I did so. > > > > The manual has a diagram of the7-pin remote connector. I bought a 7-pin > > DIN > > connector and soldered wires to the terminals. > > > > I always had the rig connected to the dummy load. I would key and > > try to check for voltages on the terminals( hoping to see the relay > > keying > > voltages). Apparently i did not see any. I tried to hit the PTT on the > > stock microphone. > > > > Now, when i power on, i see the "ON AIR" red LED on. If i key down, i > > get full output to the dummy load. But i don't hear any stations. But > > if > > i change modes or manipulate the keypad, i hear the beeps. I also don't > > see the 'S' meter move. I checked and double checked the usual murphy > > steps before shooting out this email. May be i fried the front end :( > > > > Before i started mucking with it, i was able to hear stations at about > > s2/3 via the dummy load on the MFJ-949E. :) > > > > Anyone got any tip for me . > > 1) I need to make an interface cable to hook up the amp. ?? > > 2) Any clues as to what could have gone wrong with the TS-440( a stuck > > relay perhaps).?? > > > > Looks like its time to drive down south to the Kenwood service center. > > :( > > > > I have been depressed all afternoon. > > > > Once again, Thank you all. > > > > 73's > > krish > > w4/vu2vku > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Tue Feb 12 22:16:36 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:16:36 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help Message-ID: > Steve, > I did unplug the DIN connector. The rig is still stuck in the xmit mode. > I was planning on resetting the microprocessor. But if there was some > diagnostic info that would be lost by doing so, i never wanted to lose it > for > lack of the knowledge. So i decided not to reset it. > > The 7-pin DIN connector pin configuration was something like this. > > The pin numbers are not correct, but i want to give an idea of what the > diagram looked like.( i don't have the manual with me right now). > > pins 1,2,3 for the TX,RX and centre poles of a relay > ::This is where you'd connect the amp key line, using pins 1 & 3 (assuming your pin callouts here are correct, which they probably aren't). > pin 4, +12V at 10mA on keydown. > pin 5, ALC > pin 6 - for foot switch or so. > ::This is the pin (6) I thought possibly you had confused for an amp key line. > pin 7 - unused > > I was hoping to connect the TX and ground to the amp keying jack. > ::I haven't worked with a TS-440S in several years (last owned one in about 1990 or so), so I don't recall if one pin of the TX/RX/COM relay is grounded internally or not. But if it is, then obviously, you must use the correct polarity connections to the amp! > I was hoping to connect the ALC and ground to the amp ALC jack. > ::Seems reasonable. Since you're using a Kenwood rig with a Kenwood amp, I would think the instructions for each would favor using the other, and there should be no system incompatibilities. I've used a TS-440S to key a variety of amplifiers, with no issues that I can recall. ::Anyone out there with a 440S who can help Krish? -WB2WIK/6 > I used the above 7-pin connector because that was what was presented > in the section on hooking up to a liner amp. > > thanks > krish > w4/vu2vku > > Steve Katz wrote: > > > Krish, > > > > Sounds like you may have confused the AMP KEY RELAY line with the REMOTE > KEY > > line (or whatever these are actually called on a TS440S -- names vary, > but > > I'm referring to functions). > > > > A remote key line is in parallel with the PTT and allows the use of a > > footswitch or other external keying device to key the transmitter and > place > > it into the XMIT mode. An amp key line connects to an internal relay > which > > grounds this one contact when the rig is placed into XMIT from some > other > > source, such as the PTT switch or the MOX (manual transmit) button. > > > > If you've connected your amp to the remote key line, it won't key the > amp > > and may very well hang up the TS440 in the transmit mode. I doubt that > > you've "fried" anything. You're not hearing any stations because the > rig is > > in the XMIT mode and cannot receive. > > > > I assume you've unplugged the DIN connector??????? > > > > WB2WIK/6 > > > > "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult > problem." -- > > Henry Kissinger > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: krishna [SMTP:kkanakas@cisco.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:25 PM > > > To: amps@contesting.com > > > Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood TS-440 and TL-922A hook up help > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > First i would like to thank you all for helping me make a decision > > > about > > > the TL-922A. > > > > > > I am a happy camper. I bought the TL-922A for $675. It was amazingly > > > clean for its age. I was even more surprised, since the seller > > > appraised it to be of average condition. But it tuned out to be > > > quite clean. I opened it up and no burns around the bandswitch. > > > The tubes are clean. The previous owner was only driving it > > > to about 600mA plate current. Looks like the amp was well taken care > > > of before he moved to a nice ALPHA. > > > > > > I also got a pair of Eimac's as a backup( though not full emission). > > > In short, i have a complete QRO package now. :) > > > > > > > > > Now here is the sad part of the story. > > > > > > Not being able to suppress the urge to put things together, > > > I started messing up with my perfectly working TS-440. My > > > one and only radio. > > > > > > The users manual requires one to setup the jumper to enable the remote > > > option for keying the linear. I did so. > > > > > > The manual has a diagram of the7-pin remote connector. I bought a > 7-pin > > > DIN > > > connector and soldered wires to the terminals. > > > > > > I always had the rig connected to the dummy load. I would key and > > > try to check for voltages on the terminals( hoping to see the relay > > > keying > > > voltages). Apparently i did not see any. I tried to hit the PTT on > the > > > stock microphone. > > > > > > Now, when i power on, i see the "ON AIR" red LED on. If i key down, i > > > get full output to the dummy load. But i don't hear any stations. But > > > if > > > i change modes or manipulate the keypad, i hear the beeps. I also > don't > > > see the 'S' meter move. I checked and double checked the usual murphy > > > steps before shooting out this email. May be i fried the front end :( > > > > > > Before i started mucking with it, i was able to hear stations at about > > > s2/3 via the dummy load on the MFJ-949E. :) > > > > > > Anyone got any tip for me . > > > 1) I need to make an interface cable to hook up the amp. ?? > > > 2) Any clues as to what could have gone wrong with the TS-440( a stuck > > > relay perhaps).?? > > > > > > Looks like its time to drive down south to the Kenwood service > center. > > > :( > > > > > > I have been depressed all afternoon. > > > > > > Once again, Thank you all. > > > > > > 73's > > > krish > > > w4/vu2vku > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wy6k@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 22:26:08 2002 From: wy6k@yahoo.com (Michael Watts) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions In-Reply-To: <3C697A1E.9080800@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020212222608.34937.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, what is this neo-socialism stuff? Where is it written that one must share the fruits of one's labor for free just because it is ham radio oriented? The answer is: it's not. Ham radio has always been about helping people, especially newcomers. And the scientific ethic is to publish basic research. But where is it written that one cannot become a dealer of something that hams might want to buy? Michael --- Jim Bryant wrote: > > > > Jim Strohm wrote: > > > "Jimmy Jones" writes -- > > > > > >>I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that someone > >>else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply trying to > >>make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell everyone who > >>his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? > >> > > > > For your first point -- it's called "research." In some venues such as > > amateur radio, it's considered proper to share the results of one's > > experiments without significant renumeration. > > > Gee, I thought socialism and ham radio were mutually exclusive? > > > jim > -- > ET has one helluva sense of humor! > He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! > ----------------------------------------------------- > POWER TO THE PEOPLE! > ----------------------------------------------------- > "Religious fundamentalism is the biggest threat to > international security that exists today." > United Nations Secretary General B.B.Ghali, 1995 > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From barrie99@marsweb.com Wed Feb 13 00:24:45 2002 From: barrie99@marsweb.com (barrie99@marsweb.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:24:45 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <3C69B24D.6248@marsweb.com> Hello: I'm building a 160M only link-coupled antenna tuner. Will have a Bird wattmeter on the input side, but would like to have a "relative power output" indicator on the output side (600 ohm balanced line). I've seen schematics for such devices in handbooks, but they are used on the output of amplifiers running into 50 ohm loads, and include provisions to measure reflected power, as well. I'm thinking that the voltage on the 600 ohm line could be much higher than it would be on 50 ohm line. All I (think) I need is a voltage dropping resistor, a diode, a pot to fine-tune the voltage and a DC meter. I just don't know the values of each. Anyone know where such a circuit may be found? TNX, Barrie, W7ALW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k2xx@swva.net Wed Feb 13 00:56:31 2002 From: k2xx@swva.net (Joe Giacobello, K2XX) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:56:31 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator References: <3C69B24D.6248@marsweb.com> Message-ID: <3C69B9BF.98A05FA7@swva.net> Barrie, an easy way out is to use an RF ammeter in one of the legs of open wire line and simply tune for maximum RF current. If you're running a KW, you'll probably need a 0-10 A meter. 73, Joe barrie99@marsweb.com wrote: > Hello: > > I'm building a 160M only link-coupled antenna tuner. Will have a Bird > wattmeter on the input side, but would like to have a "relative power > output" indicator on the output side (600 ohm balanced line). > > I've seen schematics for such devices in handbooks, but they are used on > the output of amplifiers running into 50 ohm loads, and include > provisions to measure reflected power, as well. > > I'm thinking that the voltage on the 600 ohm line could be much higher > than it would be on 50 ohm line. > > All I (think) I need is a voltage dropping resistor, a diode, a pot to > fine-tune the voltage and a DC meter. I just don't know the values of > each. > > Anyone know where such a circuit may be found? > > TNX, Barrie, W7ALW > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From fordgt390@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 01:38:07 2002 From: fordgt390@yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:38:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions In-Reply-To: <20020212222608.34937.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020213013807.89276.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> I just wish we could have some real discussion on the topic. Alpha makes good stuff, and if someone did a fairly easy swap with affordable Russian tubes, I know I would be interested. If someone has already done this, please share your experiences. I have always really learned a lot from this forum guys. Ive gained a lot of help on the NCL-2000 also. At least half the fun of ham radio for me is tinkering and this group has always helped me do it better... 73 Mark N0IUJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 13 07:21:05 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:21:05 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <200202130719.g1D7JKVw013775@contesting.com> > >Hello: > >I'm building a 160M only link-coupled antenna tuner. Will have a Bird >wattmeter on the input side, but would like to have a "relative power >output" indicator on the output side (600 ohm balanced line). > € Such an indicator is not very useful because a g-g amplifier is tuned for max out with max drive using its built in RF relative output meter. Tuners need only a reflectometer to indicate when zero reflected power is obtained during adjustment. >I've seen schematics for such devices in handbooks, but they are used on >the output of amplifiers running into 50 ohm loads, and include >provisions to measure reflected power, as well. > >I'm thinking that the voltage on the 600 ohm line could be much higher >than it would be on 50 ohm line. > € C. 3.5 times higher >All I (think) I need is a voltage dropping resistor, a diode, a pot to >fine-tune the voltage and a DC meter. I just don't know the values of >each. > >Anyone know where such a circuit may be found? > >TNX, Barrie, W7ALW > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kb7ww@easystreet.com Wed Feb 13 13:34:25 2002 From: kb7ww@easystreet.com (Arthur Moe) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:34:25 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] LK500 NTC Schematic needed Message-ID: <3C6A6B61.FF3EC9CC@easystreet.com> Needed schematic diagram for a Amp Supply LK500 NTC or complete manual. A copy would be fine or scanned and e-mailed. Thanks Art KB7WW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Dan" Radio/Magnetic/Electric Field Strength Meter - Last Day Ebay This is the TriField Broadband Meter made by AlphaLab. I bought it new for $145 a few years ago. It measures Radio, Magnetic, and Electric fields. It's scales are: 0-100 milligauss Magnetic, 0-3 milligauss Magnetic, 0-100 kilovolts/meter Electric, .01-1.0 KV/m Radio/Microwave (100 Khz to 2.5 GHz). You can use this to measure exposure levels to various fields in your home, or you can use it to verify that your radio station is operating within FCC guidelines. I've even used it to watch the intensity of lightning strikes (using the electric field position). This is a very nice instrument. It is in perfect condition. The instruction manual and a technical brochure discussing radiation hazards and measurements are included. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Wed Feb 13 17:39:57 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:39:57 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird Slugs References: <005901c1b49a$93a34a80$957a45cf@computer> Message-ID: <00ec01c1b4b5$74ac1740$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> I have some BIRD V/UHF slugs for a 43 wattmeter I don't use - they are in excellent as new condition...what I need is HF related stuff...anyone on hwere have a nice BIRD slug for HF where I live thatr they wanna swap? Think their part number is 2500H (need something for 10 - 160 meters max out 2KW prox) 73, Jim, K4OJ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Dan" Radio/Magnetic/Electric Field Strength Meter - Last Day Ebay Please excuse duplicate post - forgot to give Ebay link on previous. This is the TriField Broadband Meter made by AlphaLab. I bought it new for $145 a few years ago. It measures Radio, Magnetic, and Electric fields. It's scales are: 0-100 milligauss Magnetic, 0-3 milligauss Magnetic, 0-100 kilovolts/meter Electric, .01-1.0 KV/m Radio/Microwave (100 Khz to 2.5 GHz). You can use this to measure exposure levels to various fields in your home, or you can use it to verify that your radio station is operating within FCC guidelines. I've even used it to watch the intensity of lightning strikes (using the electric field position). This is a very nice instrument. It is in perfect condition. The instruction manual and a technical brochure discussing radiation hazards and measurements are included. Ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1330505507 I will be glad to provide additional information. Contact me at w4tq@mindspring.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Wed Feb 13 17:33:19 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:33:19 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff Message-ID: <003201c1b4b4$88e7f360$dabb7ad5@office> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Katz To: 'Steve Thompson' ; amps@contesting.com Date: 12 February 2002 16:33 Subject: RE: [AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff >> Alcatel have cables called Filotex, which include .047" and .035" od. >> Quite >> useful if you actively want attenuation to adjust drive level. > > > ::The perfect CB solution! Can you get several thousand feet of the >.035" stuff with PL-259's installed, for me to provide to all the local >"free banders?" It would be best if it was labeled (microscoping 1-point >print is okay) "Super Range Extender Coax" or something like that, makes it >more marketable. Help? 1000' might be overkill - I estimate around 120dB at 10MHz! I used to know a guy who designed a laser cable marking machine that would do it, but I think they went bust or sold out. Seriously for a moment, incase anyone is interested, reels are 100m (328') and cost 120UKP, about $170. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Wed Feb 13 20:22:53 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:22:53 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Schematic for AL-811H Message-ID: If you can't read the one from the AL-811H.PDF on the Ameritron site, look at Fig. 5-13 on page 302 of the RCA TT-5 book. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From E8N2CG@aol.com Thu Feb 14 02:13:58 2002 From: E8N2CG@aol.com (E8N2CG@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:13:58 EST Subject: [AMPS] Need AMP LK550 Schematic Message-ID: <18b.34f7b5e.299c7766@aol.com> --part1_18b.34f7b5e.299c7766_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Amps List: I am attempting to repair an Amps Supply model LK550 three 3-500Z tube manual tune amplifier. However, I only have a poor quality photo copy of a "LK-500Z SERIES AMPS" owners manual which describes a two 3-500Z tube manual tune amplifier and is missing the schematic pages. I would be most grateful obtaining a complete schematic of the LK550 and will gladly pay for photo copying and postage costs. Please advise. 73, George N2CG E8N2CG@aol.com --part1_18b.34f7b5e.299c7766_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Amps List:

I am attempting to repair an Amps Supply model LK550 three 3-500Z tube manual tune amplifier.  However, I only have a poor quality photo copy of a "LK-500Z SERIES AMPS" owners manual which describes a two 3-500Z tube manual tune amplifier and is missing the schematic pages.

I would be most grateful obtaining a complete schematic of the LK550 and will gladly pay for photo copying and postage costs.

Please advise.

73,  George  N2CG
E8N2CG@aol.com  
--part1_18b.34f7b5e.299c7766_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From gjerning@flash.net Tue Feb 12 16:02:11 2002 From: gjerning@flash.net (ARNE GJERNING) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:02:11 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Message-ID: <019b01c1b3de$a22c2c00$7300fdd1@066> 1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they might part with? 2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and multimeter? I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original Heath meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate and grid current. 73 de Arne N7KA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Thu Feb 14 05:37:12 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:37:12 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Message-ID: <200202140535.g1E5ZOVw006780@contesting.com> > >1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they >might part with? > >2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and >multimeter? € 200uA / c. 1100‡ > I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original Heath >meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate and >grid current. > € Monitoring grid current is of zero value because tune-up has nothing to do with grid current. Tune-up involves tuning for max out with max drive (<145w-pep) using a tuning pulser or a keyer sending dits at 50wpm. Thus, only a relative RF output meter is needed for tuneup. > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From R_Davis" Message-ID: Then why do some amplifiers' manuals tell you to monitor the grid current and give you a meter function for that purpose? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich..." <2@mail.vcnet.com> To: "ARNE GJERNING" ; " AMPS" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] SB-220 > >1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they >might part with? > >2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and >multimeter? ? 200uA / c. 1100? > I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original Heath >meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate and >grid current. > ? Monitoring grid current is of zero value because tune-up has nothing to do with grid current. Tune-up involves tuning for max out with max drive (<145w-pep) using a tuning pulser or a keyer sending dits at 50wpm. Thus, only a relative RF output meter is needed for tuneup. > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From na9d-2@speakeasy.net Thu Feb 14 14:52:57 2002 From: na9d-2@speakeasy.net (Jon Ogden) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:52:57 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 2/14/02 6:18 AM, R_Davis at WD8JJA@arrl.net wrote: > Then why do some amplifiers' manuals tell you to monitor the grid current > and give you a meter function for that purpose? Well, for one, in the case of a mistuned amp (like when you start tuning the amp), you may have high grid current. Grid current that is too high can destroy the tube. Also, if you are matching the amplifier directly into a reactive load, you will likely get higher grid current than you would into a 50 Ohm load. So you need to watch that too. Some tubes are easily destroyed by only a small amount of grid current. Others are more robust. It's really more of a way to just get more data on the functionality of your amplifier. As far as tuning goes, Rich is pretty much correct that you tune for peak output power. I also tune for my plate current dip (and by definition Plate current minimum = Maximum output power). I never look at grid current when tuning. 73, Jon NA9D -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From sbauder@wwt.net Thu Feb 14 15:07:09 2002 From: sbauder@wwt.net (Steve Bauder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:07:09 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] SB-230 plate transformer needed Message-ID: <3C6BD29C.44217401@wwt.net> I've just finished converting my 230 to 6 meters, and it's working great other than a wimpy replacement transformer installed by a previous owner. Not nearly enough iron! Plate voltage drops to about 1300 volts under minimal (350ma) load. Trading stock includes a 3cx3000 socket, several 4cx250's, a couple 4cx250 sockets/ceramic chimneys, or cash! Steve Bauder, nx9z Boyceville, WI -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Thu Feb 14 15:49:03 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:49:03 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-230 plate transformer needed Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Bauder [SMTP:sbauder@wwt.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:07 AM > To: amps@contesting.com > Subject: [AMPS] SB-230 plate transformer needed > > > I've just finished converting my 230 to 6 meters, and it's working great > other than a wimpy replacement transformer installed by a previous > owner. Not nearly enough iron! Plate voltage drops to about 1300 volts > under minimal (350ma) load. > ::What size iron do you need? Did you leave the 8873 in place, or change to some other tube? I have a 2000VCT, 400mA CCS xfmr (heavy) which would provide 2.8 kV using a bridge & filter (115V primary), more than enough iron for a single tube, maybe too much voltage. Let me know. -WB2WIK/6 > Trading stock includes a 3cx3000 socket, several 4cx250's, a couple > 4cx250 sockets/ceramic chimneys, or cash! > > Steve Bauder, nx9z > Boyceville, WI > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Thu Feb 14 17:07:13 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:07:13 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Message-ID: <200202141705.g1EH5OVw016178@contesting.com> >"Rich..." wrote: > > >snip > >> ? Monitoring grid current is of zero value because tune-up has nothing >> to do with grid current. Tune-up involves tuning for max out with max >> drive (<145w-pep) using a tuning pulser or a keyer sending dits at 50wpm -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Thu Feb 14 18:25:30 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:25:30 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Message-ID: <200202141823.g1EINeVw017834@contesting.com> >Rich, > >Haven't tried the 50 wpm approach. Is it because it's easier on the tube(s)? > € Yes, and it allows an accurate tuneup with a power supply that won't maintain anode supply V with AØ. cheers, Paul - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Thu Feb 14 18:19:41 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:19:41 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 In-Reply-To: <200202141823.g1EINeVw017834@contesting.com> Message-ID: "Paul - VE3ZT" writes -- >>Haven't tried the 50 wpm approach. Is it because it's easier on the tube(s)? >> >* Yes, and it allows an accurate tuneup with a power supply that won't >maintain anode supply V with AØ. IIRC, Rich is the instigator of the notorious 555-based "pulser" tuning device, AKA "The Death Ray" at this QTH. A very useful aid for tuning. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Thu Feb 14 22:57:36 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:57:36 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Re: Tubes with high transfer capacitance..Hrrrm?? Message-ID: <200202142255.g1EMtkVw023500@contesting.com> >Hi Richard! > >I got my hands on a couple of Russian GI-33B's. >With a small handle on top ;o) but guess one has to start somewhere... >Seems to be VERY rugged! > >The tube data is as follows: > >... ... ... >Input capacitance 31.5pF >Output capacitance is less or equal 0.06pF >Feed-through capacitance is 19pF !!! > These are reversed. >... - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From pierre.desseneux@wanadoo.fr Fri Feb 15 02:13:05 2002 From: pierre.desseneux@wanadoo.fr (pierre.desseneux) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:13:05 -0100 Subject: [AMPS] Kenwood - TS430 mods Message-ID: <000e01c1b5c6$63c213a0$1949f8c1@g7y0l7> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B5BD.EBDC1500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend of mine need to give TS 430S capability to transmit on = non-amateur frequencies. He has test 1=B0- remove connector 10 and pins 2 & 3 >>>> no = success or 2=B0- cut diodes D39 & D40 = >>>> no success TX serial number is 4070156P from TRIO-KENWOOD. Can you help him? Mny tks. 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    A friend of mine need to give TS = 430S=20 capability to transmit on non-amateur frequencies.
    He has test  1=B0- remove = connector 10=20 and pins 2 & 3    >>>> no = success
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    TX serial number is 4070156P from = TRIO-KENWOOD.
 
    Can you help him? Mny = tks.
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B5BD.EBDC1500-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ckaine@one.net Fri Feb 15 02:22:32 2002 From: ckaine@one.net (Christopher Kaine) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:22:32 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] AL811H on AM References: <000e01c1b5c6$63c213a0$1949f8c1@g7y0l7> Message-ID: <3C6C70E8.FBCF008D@one.net> I am trying to get information concerning running an AL811H amplifier on AM. The manual does NOT include directions/recommendations. TIA Chris Kaine N8JDG -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Fri Feb 15 04:37:22 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:37:22 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: <20020214.204923.-277405.0.nospam4me@juno.com> re: sb-220 meter movements. - If Carl is still around, you would be able to get an entire SB-220 replacement input assembly from him. Last known working Email address: k1mh@juno.com if memory serves. I might be able to supply very small quantifies of the exact or very similar coil forms used in the SB-220 should Carl not have them. There are a number of "conversion to six meter" guys out there that should be able to help you. - The average movement value for the SB-220 is 200uA I have original Heath meter movements for $50 each. I bought them for my own use but have many spares. I've never advertised them as I'm not a dealer, nor do I think the price is cheap enough to attract much attention, but I do have them for people who want original matching Heathkit meter parts. - Martin Tippin is selling SB-220 front panels on Ebay for $50 each. Normally I would just live with the unsightly holes many hams have butchered into SB-220's to add an unneeded relay bypass switch... but some of the folks I do work for are willing to pay for "complete restoration. " Martin's panels have slightly larger (better in my opinion) lettering and the color is a slightly sweeter Heathkit style green. - People who insist on a bypass switch in my restorations get it in the form of a pull knob function on the meter pot. - that's pretty much it... skipp - - From: "ARNE GJERNING" 1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they might part with? 2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and multimeter? I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original Heath meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate and grid current. 73 de Arne N7KA ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Fri Feb 15 05:37:08 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:37:08 -0800 Subject: Fw: [AMPS] AL811H on AM Message-ID: <20020214.213710.-277405.2.nospam4me@juno.com> Hi Chris, - For reasons I'd rather not get into, your simple question is a touchy one for many amps members. - Operation of an amplifier in AM mode should probably be no more than 25% of it's SSB ratings. - hope hat helps... I'm not sure of the AL811H, but a quartet of 811a tubes should at least do few hundred watts of AM output. cheers skipp --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christopher Kaine I am trying to get information concerning running an AL811H amplifier on AM. The manual does NOT include directions/recommendations. TIA Chris Kaine N8JDG ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From yo9fzs@office.deck.ro Fri Feb 15 07:20:35 2002 From: yo9fzs@office.deck.ro (yo9fzs) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:20:35 +0200 Subject: [AMPS] Re: Tubes with high transfer capacitance..Hrrrm?? References: <200202142255.g1EMtkVw023500@contesting.com> Message-ID: <3C6CB6C3.EC33662@office.deck.ro> If it is a triode, it often hapens in these russian data sheets. Look also at the data for the more popular GI6 and GI7 UHF triodes. The capacitances are measured and stated in the data sheet as for the grounded cathode configuration, even if the tube is intended and used for GG service, so the values will swap. So, the output 0.06pF GC will be the feed-through c for GG and the 19pF feed-through GC will be the output c for GG. Probably input c at 12.5 (31.5-19). Or I make a mistake? 73, Traian "Rich..." wrote: > >Hi Richard! > > > >I got my hands on a couple of Russian GI-33B's. > >With a small handle on top ;o) but guess one has to start somewhere... > >Seems to be VERY rugged! > > > >The tube data is as follows: > > > >... ... ... > >Input capacitance 31.5pF > >Output capacitance is less or equal 0.06pF > >Feed-through capacitance is 19pF !!! > > > These are reversed. > > >... > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, > www.vcnet.com/measures. > end > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov Fri Feb 15 08:28:00 2002 From: kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov (kl7ra) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:28:00 -0900 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: <006201c1b5fa$aedc2900$02f446c0@snowfall.gcgo.nasa.gov> Skipp writes: -snip- >Normally I would just live with the unsightly holes many hams have >butchered into SB-220's to add an unneeded relay bypass switch... Adding a switch to break the PTT path was a common trick for contesters. It was needed to allow an instant band change to work a multiplier barefoot then return to the run band at full power. My guess is more were modified then not and keeping the switch retains the flavor of the amp's contest history. Rich KL7RA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From R_Davis" Message-ID: This brings up a question I have always had. We are always urged to tune for maximum power out at maximum drive. For SSB, I tune my FL-2100B (you guys already know this has 572B's) with 100 watts drive at ~50 dots per minute (or whatever the max. of my keyer is) for maximum output, which is usually around 800 watts A0 into a dummy load. Now, for AM, RTTY, or some constant carrier mode, should the drive from the exciter be reduced without retouching up the tune/load controls? I typically repeak the output of both transmitter and amplifier when I reduce the power. This gives more power output with less plate current. The Plate control doesn't change much, but the Load reduces a lot when power is reduced. ----- Original Message ----- From: "skipp isaham" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Fw: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > > Hi Chris, > - > For reasons I'd rather not get into, your simple question > is a touchy one for many amps members. > - > Operation of an amplifier in AM mode should probably > be no more than 25% of it's SSB ratings. > - > hope hat helps... I'm not sure of the AL811H, but a quartet > of 811a tubes should at least do few hundred watts of > AM output. > > cheers > skipp > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Christopher Kaine > I am trying to get information concerning running an > AL811H amplifier on AM. > The manual does NOT include directions/recommendations. > TIA > Chris Kaine > N8JDG > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 15 14:09:25 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:09:25 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: <200202151407.g1FE7ZVw005088@contesting.com> > >re: sb-220 meter movements. >- >If Carl is still around, you would be able to get an >entire SB-220 replacement input assembly from >him. Last known working Email address: >k1mh@juno.com if memory serves. I might be >able to supply very small quantifies of the exact >or very similar coil forms used in the SB-220 >should Carl not have them. There are a number >of "conversion to six meter" guys out there that >should be able to help you. >- >The average movement value for the SB-220 is >200uA I have original Heath meter movements >for $50 each. I bought them for my own use but >have many spares. I've never advertised them >as I'm not a dealer, nor do I think the price is >cheap enough to attract much attention, but I >do have them for people who want original >matching Heathkit meter parts. >- >Martin Tippin is selling SB-220 front panels on >Ebay for $50 each. Normally I would just live >with the unsightly holes many hams have >butchered into SB-220's to add an unneeded >relay bypass switch... but some of the folks >I do work for are willing to pay for "complete >restoration. " € A "complete restoration" means removing: 1. the step-start mod (the amplifier will once again have too much inrush current for the on/off switch, which will eventually destroy the switch) 2. lower VHF -Q suppressors and using original Heath suppressors (which increases 110MHz gain - which ups the chance of intermittent parasitic oscillation at 110MHz) 3. the high speed switching mod and reinstalling the original too-slow relay - (causes the amplifier to once again hotswitch with modern transceivers) 4. the glitch protection components (increases the chance of blown meters and shorted 3-500Zs. € In my opinion, assuming that higher-ranking humans don't make mistakes is a mistake. For example, I own a 1973 Dodge Maxivan. The electronic ignition unit is mounted in rhe cool airstream in front of the radiator at the end of a cable connected to the engine. I carry a spare unit but so far I haven't needed it. In the mid-1980s, Ford had a "Better Idea" and decided that they could save costs on wire and connectors by mounting the electronic ignition unit on the engine. Thus, the electronic ignition unit was exposed to hot air from the radiator. As you have quite likely already guessed, Ford's electronic ignition unit was prone to die in hot weather. When this happened the engine would stop - which can be a dangerous thing on freeways. As a result, people were getting killed. Even though Ford dealers had been reporting the problem back to Ford for over 12-years, the higher-ups decided to not correct the problem. Eventually NHTSA ordered a recall. The cost will be c, $2,9 billion. The Ford CEO was subsequently fired by Ford's Board of Directors. Without NHTSA, people would probably still be buying Fords that have a potentially fatal defect. -- Anybody remember the Ford Pinto/exploding gas tank/family crematorium on wheels? And Ford knew about the fire problem before the Pinto went into production. Meanwhile, back in L.A., Henry Radio was building 3-500Z amplifiers that ran c. 5.9V on the filaments. >... cheers, Skipp >- >From: "ARNE GJERNING" >1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they >might part with? > > > >2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and >multimeter? I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original >Heath >meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate >and >grid current. > >73 de Arne N7KA > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7rdx@earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 14:50:06 2002 From: k7rdx@earthlink.net (k7rdx) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:50:06 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements References: <006201c1b5fa$aedc2900$02f446c0@snowfall.gcgo.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <002101c1b630$101ce8a0$9f5e1b3f@jim> But why did all these ops. disfigure their amps when all they had to do was put a switch (with a small box) in the keying line? Jim, K7RDX ----- Original Message ----- From: kl7ra To: ; skipp isaham Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements > > Skipp writes: > > > -snip- > >Normally I would just live with the unsightly holes many hams have > >butchered into SB-220's to add an unneeded relay bypass switch... > > Adding a switch to break the PTT path was a common trick for contesters. > It was needed to allow an instant band change to work a multiplier barefoot > then return to the run band at full power. > > My guess is more were modified then not and keeping the switch retains > the flavor of the amp's contest history. > > Rich KL7RA > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 14:49:39 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:49:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] High Voltage Toroidal Power Transformers Message-ID: <20020215144939.91758.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> What are the pros and cons of using High Voltage Toroidal Power Transformers in HF Linear Amplifiers? 73, Bill Smith KO4NR ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 15 15:48:20 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Rich...) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:48:20 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] High Voltage Toroidal Power Transformers Message-ID: <200202151546.g1FFkTVw007062@contesting.com> > >What are the pros and cons of using High Voltage >Toroidal Power Transformers in HF Linear Amplifiers? € The tape-wound Hipersil transformer has a toroidal core. - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Fri Feb 15 15:28:39 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:28:39 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] High Voltage Toroidal Power Transformers In-Reply-To: <20020215144939.91758.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill Smith >What are the pros and cons of using High Voltage >Toroidal Power Transformers in HF Linear Amplifiers? Starting with the assumption that the toroidal power transformer is correctly enginnered and constructed -- It would be lighter, more efficient, less likely to radiate noise, less susceptible to EMI, run cooler, be quieter ... About the only bad thing I can think of is that your Collins 30S-1 would no longer be 100% original. And -- it would probably cost more than a conventional transformer to purchase new. And -- rewinding it would not be as straightforward a task as with a conventional transformer. Something to know -- a lot of the "square box" sealed military surplus transformers are toroidal transformers in a form factor that's compliant with conventional transformers. For my part, I like to install HV power transformers and never touch them again, ever. I kinda enjoy rewinding filament transformers because it's an exercise in turning off your brain, kinda like fingerpainting. Jim N6OTQ -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Fri Feb 15 15:57:02 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:57:02 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: > -- Anybody remember the Ford Pinto/exploding gas tank/family crematorium > on wheels? And Ford knew about the fire problem before the Pinto went > into production. Meanwhile, back in L.A., Henry Radio was building > 3-500Z amplifiers that ran c. 5.9V on the filaments. ::Rich, you should know that the extra filament V was there so you could wire a 1A2 in series with the 3-500's. I thought that was common knowledge.... WB2WIK/6 > >... > > cheers, Skipp > >- > >From: "ARNE GJERNING" > >1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they > >might part with? > > > > > > > >2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and > >multimeter? I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original > >Heath > >meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate > >and > >grid current. > > > >73 de Arne N7KA > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > >-- > >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > >Submissions: amps@contesting.com > >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, > www.vcnet.com/measures. > end > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Fri Feb 15 16:07:31 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:07:31 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] AL811H on AM Message-ID: > This brings up a question I have always had. > > We are always urged to tune for maximum power out at maximum drive. For > SSB, I tune my FL-2100B (you guys already know this has 572B's) with 100 > watts drive at ~50 dots per minute > > ::50 dots per minute is about 2 wpm. Do you mean 50 wpm? > > (or whatever the max. of my keyer is) for > maximum output, which is usually around 800 watts A0 into a dummy load. > > ::If you're sending dits, it's actually A1, not A0. > > > Now, for AM, RTTY, or some constant carrier mode, should the drive from > the > exciter be reduced without retouching up the tune/load controls? > > I typically repeak the output of both transmitter and amplifier when I > reduce the power. This gives more power output with less plate current. > The > Plate control doesn't change much, but the Load reduces a lot when power > is > reduced. > > ::The plate impedance is higher at lower plate currents, so of course this > happens. Seems you're doing it right, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time > tuning up an FL2100B unless you want a close-up demonstration of the "big > bang" theory. > > ::WB2WIK/6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "skipp isaham" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:37 AM > Subject: Fw: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > - > > For reasons I'd rather not get into, your simple question > > is a touchy one for many amps members. > > - > > Operation of an amplifier in AM mode should probably > > be no more than 25% of it's SSB ratings. > > - > > hope hat helps... I'm not sure of the AL811H, but a quartet > > of 811a tubes should at least do few hundred watts of > > AM output. > > > > cheers > > skipp > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Christopher Kaine > > I am trying to get information concerning running an > > AL811H amplifier on AM. > > The manual does NOT include directions/recommendations. > > TIA > > Chris Kaine > > N8JDG > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7fm@teleport.com Fri Feb 15 16:49:19 2002 From: k7fm@teleport.com (Colin Lamb) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:49:19 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks for BIRD meter info! References: <006301c1b3ea$3eeea170$6401a8c0@int.thorcom.com> Message-ID: <3C6D3C0F.9090006@teleport.com> Michael said: "I have an even better spin on this... you can save even putting the short circuit on the outside and even needing RF drive to energise it! Disconnect the antennas, feeders, HF rig (driver) - you can sell them all if you wish - just adjust the grid bias volts down to increase Izsac until it reaches Pdiss for the output tube(s) of your amplifier." The problem with that is that the heat is generated at waist level or higher - which leaves your feet cold. I was thinking of using some old water soaked RG-213 running about 400 feet in the floor - perhaps buried in the concrete. That way a long qso will keep your feet toasty. Cutting an antenna for 5 mhz. will give you high enough swr on all of the ham bands to warm up the shack very nicely, no matter what frequency you operate on. If you run some of the coax under an area where your wife spends the evening, she will even ask you to get on the air more often - especially if you keep the heat down, or better yet have no other heat. She might also ask you to QRO. Once she finds out that the tubes with handles will keep her much warmer, she might even order one plus a spare. Your dog will also spend more time with you on those cold nights. A really efficient system might use conduction cooled finals with a grill attachment for making breakfast while having a morning qso. Every once in awhile, I hear someone on the air with frying eggs in the background, so at least a few people are using this approach. 73, Colin K7FM -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jflanders2@home.com Fri Feb 15 19:06:21 2002 From: jflanders2@home.com (Jerry Flanders) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:06:21 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] FS - AL-1200 amp in Southeast (pickup only) In-Reply-To: <3C6D3C0F.9090006@teleport.com> References: <006301c1b3ea$3eeea170$6401a8c0@int.thorcom.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020215140248.0263da40@mail> Located in North Augusta, SC. Presently offered for pickup only at $1425. This is an excellent amp. It is clean and has had little use. It is presently on the air and can be demonstrared. Full output - no problems of any kind. Reason for selling - have Yaesu Quadra on the way. See several e-ham reviews at: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/22 See more info at: http://www.ameritron.com/ameritron/products.php?prodid=AL-1200 And Ameritron's ad at: http://www.ameritron.com/ameritron/goodies/catalog/amer20021-9.pdf (page 8) Jerry W4UK tel 803-278-0984 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Fri Feb 15 20:16:54 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:16:54 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Dentron gla1000 Message-ID: <00f601c1b65d$b5f60ea0$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Hi , all: I'm going to take the easy way out for the moment. Does anyone know the f/s current of the meter of this rig?? How about the value of the plate current metering resistor "R7"?? I have to repair this amp and it has been "butchered". and I need to try to repair it!! I guess I'm a glutton for punishment! Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks to all. carl / kz5ca -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From dhearn@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 16 05:21:25 2002 From: dhearn@ix.netcom.com (dan hearn) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:21:25 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Dentron gla1000 References: <00f601c1b65d$b5f60ea0$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C6DEC55.869878CE@ix.netcom.com> The B.A.M.A. web page has schematics for these rigs. http://bama.sbc.edu/dentron.htm 73, Dan, N5AR carl seyersdahl wrote: > > Hi , all: I'm going to take the easy way out for the moment. Does anyone > know the f/s current of the meter of this rig?? How about the value of the > plate current metering resistor "R7"?? I have to repair this amp and it has > been "butchered". and I need to try to repair it!! I guess I'm a glutton for > punishment! > Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks to all. > carl / kz5ca > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From R_Davis" Message-ID: Now you will know what kid I am. Whats a 1A2? (I hear the chuckles) 73's Rick, WD8JJA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'Rich...'" <2@mail.vcnet.com>; "skipp isaham" ; "AMPS" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: RE: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements > > > > -- Anybody remember the Ford Pinto/exploding gas tank/family crematorium > > on wheels? And Ford knew about the fire problem before the Pinto went > > into production. Meanwhile, back in L.A., Henry Radio was building > > 3-500Z amplifiers that ran c. 5.9V on the filaments. > > ::Rich, you should know that the extra filament V was there so you > could wire a 1A2 in series with the 3-500's. I thought that was common > knowledge.... > > WB2WIK/6 > > >... > > > > cheers, Skipp > > >- > > >From: "ARNE GJERNING" > > >1. Does anyone have available a 20M (L3) and 15M (L2) input coils they > > >might part with? > > > > > > > > > > > >2. What is the full scale meter movements for both the plate and > > >multimeter? I have 2 open meters and need to replace them. Original > > >Heath > > >meters not necessasry for my plans. I will only need to monitor plate > > >and > > >grid current. > > > > > >73 de Arne N7KA > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > >-- > > >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > >Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > > > > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, > > www.vcnet.com/measures. > > end > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From R_Davis" Message-ID: > > ::50 dots per minute is about 2 wpm. Do you mean 50 wpm? @@ Yeaaah - good shot - wpm. Knob all the way to the right. One for you. > > ::If you're sending dits, it's actually A1, not A0. @@ 800 W out key down after it is tuned up. A0! One for me. > > ::The plate impedance is higher at lower plate currents, so of course this > > happens. Seems you're doing it right, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time > > tuning up an FL2100B unless you want a close-up demonstration of the "big > > bang" theory. @@ No worries mate. I never, but NEVER key down at full power out for more that 10 seconds, with 20 or more seconds in between. Could that explain why my FT-101E is still putting out 150 watts from its 1975 tubes? Thanks for the reply and 73's. Rick WD8JJA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'R_Davis'" ; Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > > > > > This brings up a question I have always had. > > > > We are always urged to tune for maximum power out at maximum drive. For > > SSB, I tune my FL-2100B (you guys already know this has 572B's) with 100 > > watts drive at ~50 dots per minute > > > > ::50 dots per minute is about 2 wpm. Do you mean 50 wpm? > > > > (or whatever the max. of my keyer is) for > > maximum output, which is usually around 800 watts A0 into a dummy load. > > > > ::If you're sending dits, it's actually A1, not A0. > > > > > > Now, for AM, RTTY, or some constant carrier mode, should the drive from > > the > > exciter be reduced without retouching up the tune/load controls? > > > > I typically repeak the output of both transmitter and amplifier when I > > reduce the power. This gives more power output with less plate current. > > The > > Plate control doesn't change much, but the Load reduces a lot when power > > is > > reduced. > > > > ::The plate impedance is higher at lower plate currents, so of course this > > happens. Seems you're doing it right, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time > > tuning up an FL2100B unless you want a close-up demonstration of the "big > > bang" theory. > > > > ::WB2WIK/6 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "skipp isaham" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:37 AM > > Subject: Fw: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > - > > > For reasons I'd rather not get into, your simple question > > > is a touchy one for many amps members. > > > - > > > Operation of an amplifier in AM mode should probably > > > be no more than 25% of it's SSB ratings. > > > - > > > hope hat helps... I'm not sure of the AL811H, but a quartet > > > of 811a tubes should at least do few hundred watts of > > > AM output. > > > > > > cheers > > > skipp > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Christopher Kaine > > > I am trying to get information concerning running an > > > AL811H amplifier on AM. > > > The manual does NOT include directions/recommendations. > > > TIA > > > Chris Kaine > > > N8JDG > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From R_Davis" Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich..." <2@mail.vcnet.com> To: "R_Davis" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > >This brings up a question I have always had. > >We are always urged to tune for maximum power out at maximum drive. For >SSB, I tune my FL-2100B (you guys already know this has 572B's) with 100 >watts drive ? Max drive for 2, 572Bs is c. 65W. @@ OOPS - I believe that is 65 watts per tube, so at 100 watts drive, each tube gets 50 watts. >at ~50 dots per minute (or whatever the max. of my keyer is) for >maximum output, which is usually around 800 watts A0 into a dummy load. > >Now, for AM, RTTY, or some constant carrier mode, should the drive from the >exciter be reduced without retouching up the tune/load controls? > ? For AM, Yes. Even though the AM carrier is only 25% of PEP, the loading will be right at 100% modulation peaks. @@ Interesting perspective. I can see that point. >I typically repeak the output of both transmitter and amplifier when I >reduce the power. This gives more power output with less plate current. The >Plate control doesn't change much, but the Load reduces a lot when power is >reduced. > ? An amplifier needs to be tuned for the max PEP it will be used at. @@ What about RTTY, SSTV, PSK31, etc where you drive it with audio from a sound card? I haven't actually use the amp for that yet, but the same principle would apply to the sweep tubes in my transmitter. Would you peak the plate/load for max out at the reduced drive or tune for max power at max drive, then reduce power to a safe plate current. The power out will definitely be less with more plate current. That sounds like a lot less efficiency - wasted power in the tube - read HEAT. Thanks for the reply and 73's. Rick, WD8JJA. >... - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Fri Feb 15 22:53:30 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:53:30 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] gla1000 Message-ID: <014001c1b673$9700f080$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Well, I took the meter out of this gla1000 and checked the current rating with a variable v supply and resistor and it is indeed what I thought, 200ua. I don't want to have to lash up the parts to find the resistance of the meter, so I 'll hope someone knows what the value is of r7, the plate current metering resistor!! the book only says meter shunt, or did I already say that?? -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Fri Feb 15 22:51:32 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:51:32 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] AL811H on AM Message-ID: > > > ::50 dots per minute is about 2 wpm. Do you mean 50 wpm? > > @@ Yeaaah - good shot - wpm. Knob all the way to the right. One for you. > > > > ::If you're sending dits, it's actually A1, not A0. > > @@ 800 W out key down after it is tuned up. A0! One for me. > > > > ::The plate impedance is higher at lower plate currents, so of course > this > > > happens. Seems you're doing it right, but I wouldn't spend a lot of > time > > > tuning up an FL2100B unless you want a close-up demonstration of the > "big > > > bang" theory. > > @@ No worries mate. I never, but NEVER key down at full power out for > more > that 10 seconds, with 20 or more seconds in between. Could that explain > why > my FT-101E is still putting out 150 watts from its 1975 tubes? ::Could be! My (personal) problem with the FL2100B, as a previous unhappy owner, is the set of obvious design deficiencies...including the tiny little (12.7 cfm) cooling fans which move air only across the glass envelopes, and cool nothing else; the horizontal tube mounting; the ridiculous electronically regulated bias supply circuit that has a tendency to create July 4th-like fireworks...these things have nothing at all to do with how the amp is tuned or operated. But if it works for you... 73, Rick! -Steve, WB2WIK/6 > Thanks for the reply and 73's. > Rick WD8JJA. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Katz" > To: "'R_Davis'" ; > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:07 AM > Subject: RE: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up a question I have always had. > > > > > > We are always urged to tune for maximum power out at maximum drive. > For > > > SSB, I tune my FL-2100B (you guys already know this has 572B's) with > 100 > > > watts drive at ~50 dots per minute > > > > > > ::50 dots per minute is about 2 wpm. Do you mean 50 wpm? > > > > > > (or whatever the max. of my keyer is) for > > > maximum output, which is usually around 800 watts A0 into a dummy > load. > > > > > > ::If you're sending dits, it's actually A1, not A0. > > > > > > > > > Now, for AM, RTTY, or some constant carrier mode, should the drive > from > > > the > > > exciter be reduced without retouching up the tune/load controls? > > > > > > I typically repeak the output of both transmitter and amplifier when I > > > reduce the power. This gives more power output with less plate > current. > > > The > > > Plate control doesn't change much, but the Load reduces a lot when > power > > > is > > > reduced. > > > > > > ::The plate impedance is higher at lower plate currents, so of course > this > > > happens. Seems you're doing it right, but I wouldn't spend a lot of > time > > > tuning up an FL2100B unless you want a close-up demonstration of the > "big > > > bang" theory. > > > > > > ::WB2WIK/6 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "skipp isaham" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:37 AM > > > Subject: Fw: [AMPS] AL811H on AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > - > > > > For reasons I'd rather not get into, your simple question > > > > is a touchy one for many amps members. > > > > - > > > > Operation of an amplifier in AM mode should probably > > > > be no more than 25% of it's SSB ratings. > > > > - > > > > hope hat helps... I'm not sure of the AL811H, but a quartet > > > > of 811a tubes should at least do few hundred watts of > > > > AM output. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > skipp > > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > From: Christopher Kaine > > > > I am trying to get information concerning running an > > > > AL811H amplifier on AM. > > > > The manual does NOT include directions/recommendations. > > > > TIA > > > > Chris Kaine > > > > N8JDG > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > > > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > > > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > > > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 16 00:58:43 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:58:43 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] AL811H on AM Message-ID: <200202160056.g1G0upVw016259@contesting.com> >> We are always urged to tune for maximum power out at maximum drive. For >>SSB, I tune my FL-2100B (you guys already know this has 572B's) with 100 >>watts drive > >? Max drive for 2, 572Bs is c. 65W. > >@@ OOPS - I believe that is 65 watts per tube, € Approx. 30 - 35W per 811A or 572B. > .so at 100 watts drive, each tube gets 50 watts. > >>>at ~50 dots per minute (or whatever the max. of my keyer is) for >>>maximum output, which is usually around 800 watts A0 into a dummy load. >> >>Now, for AM, RTTY, or some constant carrier mode, should the drive from the >>exciter be reduced without retouching up the tune/load controls? >> >>/ For AM, Yes. Even though the AM carrier is only 25% of PEP, the >>loading will be right at 100% modulation peaks. > >@@ Interesting perspective. I can see that point. > >>>I typically repeak the output of both transmitter and amplifier when I >>>reduce the power. This gives more power output with less plate current. > >>>The Plate control doesn't change much, but the Load reduces a lot when power is >>>reduced. >> >>/ An amplifier needs to be tuned for the max PEP it will be used at. > >@@ What about RTTY, SSTV, PSK31, etc where you drive it with audio from a >sound card? / The same. An audio tone produces a discrete RF frequency in a SSB transmitter. >I haven't actually use the amp for that yet, but the same principle >would apply to the sweep tubes in my transmitter. Would you peak the >plate/load for max out at the reduced drive or tune for max power at max >drive, then reduce power to a safe plate current. / No. Reducing drive and tuning produces a mis-tune = non-linearity. >The power out will >definitely be less with more plate current. That sounds like a lot less >efficiency - wasted power in the tube - read HEAT. > >Thanks for the reply and 73's. > ur welcome, Rick - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Sat Feb 16 06:13:57 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:13:57 -0800 Subject: Fw: Re: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: <20020215.221634.-294465.11.nospam4me@juno.com> Hi Jim, - It's almost a classic find... an sb 220 with a hole butchered in the front with a dull drill bit and deep toggle switch nut tightening scratches. I have one panel just removed where a previous owner tried to match the standby switch with a full size rocker (same as the power switch). Not only is the switch hole gross, the switch sits at an angle reminiscent of the titanic going down by the bow. - One of Martin's retro panels went into service. cheers skipp - [snip] From: "k7rdx" But why did all these ops. disfigure their amps when all they had to do was put a switch (with a small box) in the keying line? Jim, K7RDX ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Sat Feb 16 05:38:02 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:38:02 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] re mini white Teflon coax Message-ID: <20020215.221634.-294465.6.nospam4me@juno.com> - Hello there, - I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their replies to my "seeking small white Teflon coax source" post. - Seems ThermaxCDT and Belden both make the a pretty broad range of products, all the common "RG-" part numbers are available, many as the white PTFE "Teflon" type coax. - ThermaxCDT sells through Anixter, a Company I never seem to have much luck buying from. They did respond to my inquires and their prices seem to be better for the ThermaxCDT wire vs the Belden equivalent from Newark-Farnell. - Belden is sold by everyone, Newark Farnell being a semi well stocked dealer. I'm sure others can get it for most people as a special order. I did find it listed in the Newark Catalog once the Belden Rep told me they also make the stuff. - An amps person responded as a possible source for the immediate need, an order from Newark or the former mentioned will be in the pipe. - Again, thank you for your replies and great information. - cheers skipp - ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Sat Feb 16 05:44:45 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:44:45 -0800 Subject: Fw: Re: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: <20020215.221634.-294465.7.nospam4me@juno.com> Hi Rich, - Up until your post, I'd never thought about a justified reason to install a standby switch on an amplifier like the SB-220. There is a valid reason after all. - Every used SB-220 I've refurbished had the switch mounted because the owner thought the tubes needed a few minutes of warm up. - I will admit that I use the standby capacity while checking things out before regular operation. I always verify the drive levels and antenna system while the amplifier idles. Makes me feel better... old habits die hard. - When I switch my amplifier off after modest use, I can hear the tubes "crinkle." - cheers skipp - -snip- >Normally I would just live with the unsightly holes many hams have >butchered into SB-220's to add an unneeded relay bypass switch... - Adding a switch to break the PTT path was a common trick for contesters. It was needed to allow an instant band change to work a multiplier barefoot then return to the run band at full power. - My guess is more were modified then not and keeping the switch retains the flavor of the amp's contest history. - Rich KL7RA ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Sat Feb 16 06:01:30 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:01:30 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] refurbish and upgrade Message-ID: <20020215.221634.-294465.8.nospam4me@juno.com> re: SB -220 "restoration" - > From: Rich... <2@mail.vcnet.com> € A "complete restoration" means removing: - A poor initial choice of words, maybe repair as needed, refurbish and upgrade with "current amplifier technology," an often hotly debated topic on amps. - > 1. the step-start mod... [snip] I do like a step start and have them in many amplifiers, I've not experienced power switch failures in SB-220's and I have many and have worked on many. I was not aware that it was a significant problem for the switch. I like the step start to ease the filter bank back to normal operating potentials. - > 2. lower VHF -Q suppressors... [snip] I'm using a modified version of your basic design. Never had an amplifier "go poof" with your or my suppressors on board. - 3. the high speed switching mod... [snip] I most often use a different approach to keep the original relays in operation and not hot switch. Various options are possible... - 4. the glitch protection... [snip] Should be added to any stock amplifier and left in place. I would not remove any of said properly done. I have found well intended mods which were so poorly done, I've had to replace them, but glitch and failure protection are a must have. - cheers skipp ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 16 13:38:02 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 05:38:02 -0800 Subject: Fw: Re: [AMPS] SB-220 Meter Movements Message-ID: <200202161336.g1GDa8Vw023135@contesting.com> > >Hi Rich, >- >Up until your post, I'd never thought about a justified >reason to install a standby switch on an amplifier >like the SB-220. There is a valid reason after all. >- >Every used SB-220 I've refurbished had the switch >mounted because the owner thought the tubes >needed a few minutes of warm up. >- € 3-500Zs take abour 1/2 second to reach full suds. >I will admit that I use the standby capacity while >checking things out before regular operation. I >always verify the drive levels and antenna system >while the amplifier idles. Makes me feel better... >old habits die hard. >- € The on/off switch allows one to do such, >When I switch my amplifier off after modest use, >I can hear the tubes "crinkle." >- € This is pretty typical as the parts cool. However, If one has just completed a traditional, 10-minute Zzzzzzz-ville monologue on AM/lock-to-talk, afterward the tubes should be allowed cool down for 15-seconds or so before switching the amp. off. The TL-922 does this automatically. Cheerz, Skipp >- >-snip- >>Normally I would just live with the unsightly holes many hams have >>butchered into SB-220's to add an unneeded relay bypass switch... >- >Adding a switch to break the PTT path was a common trick for contesters. >It was needed to allow an instant band change to work a multiplier >barefoot >then return to the run band at full power. >- >My guess is more were modified then not and keeping the switch retains >the flavor of the amp's contest history. >- >Rich KL7RA > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 16 13:38:05 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 05:38:05 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] refurbish and upgrade Message-ID: <200202161336.g1GDaBVw023138@contesting.com> > >re: SB -220 "restoration" >- >> From: Rich... <2@mail.vcnet.com> >Ä A "complete restoration" means removing: >- >A poor initial choice of words, maybe repair as needed, € As needed is not in the restoration-purest's vocabulary. >refurbish and upgrade with "current amplifier technology," >an often hotly debated topic on amps. >- € The evidence is not easy to toss off (not in the British sense). >> 1. the step-start mod... [snip] >I do like a step start and have them in many amplifiers, I've >not experienced power switch failures in SB-220's and >I have many and have worked on many. I was not >aware that it was a significant problem for the switch. € If the SB-220 is powered from a stiff 240V source, it's hard on the contacts -- but not as hard as if a TL-922 is powered from a stiff source. >I like the step start to ease the filter bank back to normal >operating potentials. >- € The electrolytics' inrush current is not a problem. The E-I core transformer automatically limits secondary current. >> 2. lower VHF -Q suppressors... [snip] >I'm using a modified version of your basic design. Never >had an amplifier "go poof" with your or my suppressors >on board. >- € I have. Not enough L-supp will do it. Glitch protection is not a bad idea. In hard cases, an exorcism may be unavoidable. >3. the high speed switching mod... [snip] >I most often use a different approach to keep the >original relays in operation and not hot switch. >Various options are possible... € The original relay is too noisy for me. How do you keep it from hotswitching with a FT-1000D? >- >4. the glitch protection... [snip] >Should be added to any stock amplifier and left in >place. I would not remove any of said properly done. >I have found well intended mods which were so >poorly done, I've had to replace them, but glitch and >failure protection are a must have. > € 200A-peak diodes on the meters save money in the long run. laer, Skipp > > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Sun Feb 17 00:17:28 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:17:28 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Message-ID: <20020216.161729.-291489.0.nospam4me@juno.com> : From: Richard <2@mail.vcnet.com> : € If the SB-220 is powered from a stiff 240V source, it's : hard on the contacts -- but not as hard as if a TL-922 is : powered from a stiff source. - why would it be harder on the switch contacts..? - >I'm using a modified version of your basic design. Never >had an amplifier "go poof" with your or my suppressors >on board. - : € I have. Not enough L-supp will do it. Glitch protection : is not a bad idea. In hard cases, an exorcism may be : unavoidable. - What is an exorcism when applied to an SB-220? - >3. the high speed switching mod... [snip] - : € The original relay is too noisy for me. How do : you keep it from hot switching with a FT-1000D? - I remove and replace the FT-1000D with the radio I prefer to operate. I don't have a Yaesu HF radio. - Radios that put out large unwanted RF pulses at the start of each transmission should be fixed. If the mfgr places their head in the sand, time to go with someone else. - skipp ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kayser@sympatico.ca Sun Feb 17 04:50:13 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:50:13 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Swamped Grid, Discussion please In-Reply-To: <20020216.161729.-291489.0.nospam4me@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216234643.00a84080@POP2.sympatico.ca> Greetings: I am building a large amplifier and want to use swamped grid input to a pair of 4-1000's. Are there any issues to be watched for or worked around when using resistive grid loads of 400 to 1000 ohm banks of lower value resistors? Larry VA3LK -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sun Feb 17 13:14:14 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:14:14 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Message-ID: <200202171312.g1HDCIVw012581@contesting.com> > > >: From: Richard <2@mail.vcnet.com> >: Ä If the SB-220 is powered from a stiff 240V source, it's >: hard on the contacts -- but not as hard as if a TL-922 is >: powered from a stiff source. >- >why would it be harder on the switch contacts..? € The 922 HV transformer has lower R, so there is more inrush I. >- >>I'm using a modified version of your basic design. Never >>had an amplifier "go poof" with your or my suppressors >>on board. >- >: Ä I have. Not enough L-supp will do it. Glitch protection >: is not a bad idea. In hard cases, an exorcism may be >: unavoidable. >- >What is an exorcism when applied to an SB-220? € This gets pretty complex, however, briefly, you obtain a prayercloth with the callsign of the station embroidered in >3" characters. The thread used in the embroidry must be black - no sustitutions. And I don't know why. Be absolutely sure that the FCC license has not expired or is about to expire. Make a generous contribution to a well-known TV and/or radio evangelist such as Jimmy Swaggert, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Ernest Angely, on and on, When your cancelled cheque is in hand, glue it in the upper left hand corner of the prayercloth with high-temp (red) silicone rubber. The rest of what's needed can pretty much be seen in the movie *The Exorcist*. Having a copy on hand in the shack is not a bad idea, especially if your amp has ever had a bandswitch that was hellishly burned up by some mysterious force of electronic evil. The rest of the stuff gets pretty weird so we'd better get into that on e.mail, or the telephone. >- >>3. the high speed switching mod... [snip] >- >: Ä The original relay is too noisy for me. How do >: you keep it from hot switching with a FT-1000D? >- >I remove and replace the FT-1000D with the radio I >prefer to operate. I don't have a Yaesu HF radio. >- € So you use a slower T-R / R-T radio? How many mS? >Radios that put out large unwanted RF pulses at >the start of each transmission should be fixed. € This problem is not due to ALC overshoot. It is R-T transition time. Pushing the PTT button on a newer design radio can result in only a 5mS delay before RF starts showing up at the amp input. If the amp's relays are slower, they will hotswitch the RF. >If the mfgr places their head in the sand, time to >go with someone else. >- € The problem is the amplifier relays' lack of switching speed. Faulting the radio is unjust. The fault lies with the 30+ year old design of the amp. Cheers, Skipp - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sun Feb 17 13:14:16 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:14:16 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Swamped Grid, Discussion please Message-ID: <200202171312.g1HDCJVw012584@contesting.com> > >Greetings: > >I am building a large amplifier and want to use swamped grid input to a >pair of 4-1000's. Are there any issues to be watched for or worked around >when using resistive grid loads of 400 to 1000 ohm banks of lower value >resistors? > € Since it takes c, 140v-pk to drive the grid, 200‡s of grid swamp is about right for the 4-1000A/8166. The 50‡ input is matched to 200‡s with a Z=1 to 4 broadband transformer. The grid reactance can be neutralized with a Bruene neutralization bridge. See Figure 5 on my Web site for more info. - Free, unsolicited advice: 7kV anode with 1kV screen is nice. cheers, Larry - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From gurantem@ettnet.se Sun Feb 17 16:27:46 2002 From: gurantem@ettnet.se (Goran & Maria Johansson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:27:46 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] test Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020217162746.0162b460@mail.ettnet.se> -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Sun Feb 17 17:34:04 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:34:04 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] gs35 internals Message-ID: <001901c1b7d9$4bf63f20$db857ad5@office> If anyone is curious, I've posted a couple of pictures of the insides of a dud tube (dud when it was given to me!). There's no links from the homepage. www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35a.jpg www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35g.jpg I'd be glad of confirmation that they're there ok, as I haven't been able to access qsl.net at all today. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wd7s@att.net Sun Feb 17 20:15:30 2002 From: wd7s@att.net (PAUL HEWITT) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:15:30 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] gs35 internals In-Reply-To: <001901c1b7d9$4bf63f20$db857ad5@office> Message-ID: They both came right up Steve, nice pix. Paul PAUL HEWITT WD7S PRODUCTIONS QRO HOMEBREW COMPONENTS http://wd7s.home.att.net If anyone is curious, I've posted a couple of pictures of the insides of a dud tube (dud when it was given to me!). There's no links from the homepage. www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35a.jpg www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35g.jpg I'd be glad of confirmation that they're there ok, as I haven't been able to access qsl.net at all today. Steve -- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Ian White, G3SEK" References: <001901c1b7d9$4bf63f20$db857ad5@office> Message-ID: Steve Thompson wrote: > >If anyone is curious, I've posted a couple of pictures of the insides of a >dud tube (dud when it was given to me!). There's no links from the homepage. >www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35a.jpg >www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35g.jpg > >I'd be glad of confirmation that they're there ok, as I haven't been able to >access qsl.net at all today. Yup, they're there. Love that tea-strainer grid - real agricultural engineering! In more detail, please can you confirm which (if any) of the arcs has either (a) holed the grid, (b) marked the cathode underneath, and/or (c) burned the cathode? -- 73 from Ian G3SEK Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book' 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB) http://www.ifwtech.com/g3sek -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Mon Feb 18 09:50:45 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:50:45 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: Sri for delay - been away. Rich said: >Tuners need only a reflectometer to indicate when zero reflected power is >obtained during adjustment. Generally speaking, I agree with Rich. However, some tuner circuits can be tuned up to have a very low input SWR and no output, with the tuner losses being transformed up to 50 ohms. The result is that the smoke gets let out of the tuner parts - or the solder out out of the joints! Of course, these tuners can also be tuned to have a very low input SWR because they're doing the job correctly. This effect is more common on the 'match anything anywhere' type design. If you use the classic link coupled input to a parallel or series tuned balanced circuit, the effect is less likely. A very cheap indicator is to use a small lamp - a #47, for example - connected in the feeder. At QRP levels, you need to short it out because you can't afford the power loss: at QRO, because it will burn very VERY brightly - but not for long! So connect it across an inch or two of the open wire feeder. If you want to be really picky, put one in each line and check they glow equally brightly. Having an output indicator isn't always necessary, but it's good for a 'comfort factor'. 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Mon Feb 18 10:24:16 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:24:16 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] gs35 internals Message-ID: <003d01c1b866$6bbfee40$76ba01d5@office> -----Original Message----- From: Ian White, G3SEK To: amps@contesting.com Date: 18 February 2002 07:30 Subject: Re: [AMPS] gs35 internals > >Steve Thompson wrote: >> >>If anyone is curious, I've posted a couple of pictures of the insides of a >>dud tube (dud when it was given to me!). There's no links from the homepage. >>www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35a.jpg >>www.qsl.net/g8gsq/gs35g.jpg >> >>I'd be glad of confirmation that they're there ok, as I haven't been able to >>access qsl.net at all today. > >Yup, they're there. Love that tea-strainer grid - real agricultural >engineering! On the face of it, it's simple but effective. > >In more detail, please can you confirm which (if any) of the arcs has >either (a) holed the grid, (b) marked the cathode underneath, and/or (c) >burned the cathode? All of the marks with the brown circumference are on the cathode surface. There's heating discolouration on the grid above all but the smallest one, and the merest hint of distortion in the mesh above the really big spot top left. No holes in the mesh at all. Materials used - anode is solid copper, unplated internally. Don't know what the grid is, but the ring is brazed/soldered in place. The mesh part appears to be soldered onto the underside of the spoked preform. The ring of metal I cut between grid and ceramic to get these shots appears to be silver. It's very soft and the cut surface is shiny. There's a foil ring that ensures a seal at the anode end of the ceramic, and that's the same stuff. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W8JI@contesting.com Mon Feb 18 11:35:39 2002 From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:35:39 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C70A0BB.23761.5860DB@localhost> > >Tuners need only a reflectometer to indicate when zero reflected > >power is obtained during adjustment. > > Generally speaking, I agree with Rich. However, some tuner circuits > can be tuned up to have a very low input SWR and no output, with the > tuner losses being transformed up to 50 ohms. The result is that the > smoke gets let out of the tuner parts - or the solder out out of the > joints! Of course, these tuners can also be tuned to have a very low > input SWR because they're doing the job correctly. I hear that rumor repeated, but I've never been able to find that in any tuner I have ever seen. What does happen is there is a smooth and gradual reduction in efficiency as the Q is made higher, but that reduction is so slight no one would notice the loss in power transfer. Even the smallest amount of loss will destroy a tuner if power is high, since the loss is generally confined to one small area of the inductor. Typically as little as 50 watts of power loss will can ruin an inductor on sustained CW or RTTY operation. It also would be impractical to measure power in the varying load part of the system, and most people find the power meter convenient. I use ATR30's here all the time, mostly because it has a good peak reading meter and antenna switch inside. When I need to, I can "touch up" a high SWR to work a WARC band or a frequency out of range of one of my narrow antennas. It is a multi- function advantage to have a good directional coupler. 73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Mon Feb 18 11:47:55 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:47:55 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: Tom said: >I hear that rumor repeated, but I've never been able to find that in >any tuner I have ever seen. The tuner for the British Army D11/D13 tx's could certainly do it. I've seen it in a Z match, too. Not often - depends on the load. I don't like the Z match anyway. >What does happen is there is a smooth and gradual reduction in >efficiency as the Q is made higher, Especially in a Z match - which is why I don't like it. To avoid any misunderstanding here, I (and I believe Tom is, too) am talking about the working Q of the matching network, not the Q values of the individual components in it. RF ammeters or torch bulbs as indicators give a 'feel good' factor. Of course, if the tuner is remote, the difficulties of implementation far outweigh the advantages of having the indication. 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Ian White, G3SEK" References: <003d01c1b866$6bbfee40$76ba01d5@office> Message-ID: Steve Thompson wrote: >>In more detail, please can you confirm which (if any) of the arcs has >>either (a) holed the grid, (b) marked the cathode underneath, and/or (c) >>burned the cathode? >All of the marks with the brown circumference are on the cathode >surface. There's heating discolouration on the grid above all but the >smallest one, and the merest hint of distortion in the mesh above the >really big spot top left. No holes in the mesh at all. > Thanks, Steve... very interesting. It confirms that arcs from anode to grid do affect the cathode underneath as well. Any idea how the tube went dud? Did it ever work, or might it have been soft on arrival? Wonder how much HV? -- 73 from Ian G3SEK Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book' 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB) http://www.ifwtech.com/g3sek -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Mon Feb 18 13:48:39 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:48:39 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] gs35 internals Message-ID: <002401c1b882$f8feec40$cf6e7ad5@office> -----Original Message----- From: Ian White, G3SEK To: amps@contesting.com Date: 18 February 2002 13:05 Subject: Re: [AMPS] gs35 internals > >Steve Thompson wrote: > >>>In more detail, please can you confirm which (if any) of the arcs has >>>either (a) holed the grid, (b) marked the cathode underneath, and/or (c) >>>burned the cathode? > >>All of the marks with the brown circumference are on the cathode >>surface. There's heating discolouration on the grid above all but the >>smallest one, and the merest hint of distortion in the mesh above the >>really big spot top left. No holes in the mesh at all. >> > >Thanks, Steve... very interesting. It confirms that arcs from anode to >grid do affect the cathode underneath as well. Brought some higher mag to bear (results remind me of how my eyesight is failing). On the grid picture, the big spot at 11 has cratering and buckling on the cathode. One 'link' of grid wire is missing, and one next to it has bent in to touch the cathode (or what's left of it in that area) although there's no dc short. The mark at 2.30 has a pinhole in the cathode surface as well. All of the marks represent serious damage to the cathode surface. My suspicions about it were aroused initially when the hipot showed 2kV breakdown and heater consumption was all wrong, pulling nearly 50% too much current when I started conditioning it. Subsequent tests with a PSU showed that it had no emission at all. There might be interesting things to find from further dissection. I'll cut it up if you like, or you can have it to play with yourself. > >Any idea how the tube went dud? Did it ever work, or might it have been >soft on arrival? Wonder how much HV? Absolutely no idea at all how it died - it was like this when I received it. Date code is 12/74. It was offered as a pull very cheaply, and replaced with an unused one when I reported the problems, much to the credit of the supplier. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From nospam4me@juno.com Mon Feb 18 16:13:43 2002 From: nospam4me@juno.com (skipp isaham) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:13:43 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] input assembly Message-ID: <20020218.081344.-250189.1.nospam4me@juno.com> Hi Amps People, - Ron, k6zl emails me after our 40 meter chat that he's looking for some or all of the input coils and or the assembly for the sb-220. If you have said parts for sale, please contact him direct. snafu@softcom.net - thank you skipp ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 18 16:09:41 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:09:41 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <200202181607.g1IG7ku08175@rocky.tcnc.com> >Sri for delay - been away. > >Rich said: > >>Tuners need only a reflectometer to indicate when zero reflected power is >>obtained during adjustment. > >Generally speaking, I agree with Rich. However, some tuner circuits can be tuned >up to have a very low input SWR and no output, with the tuner losses being >transformed up to 50 ohms. The result is that the smoke gets let out of the >tuner parts - or the solder out out of the joints! Of course, these tuners >can also be tuned to have a very low input SWR because they're doing the job >correctly. € an example of such a tuner, please ? > >This effect is more common on the 'match anything anywhere' type design. >If you >use the classic link coupled input to a parallel or series tuned balanced >circuit, the effect is less likely. € I had a link-coupled tuner (a Johnson Matchbox). It had about 1/15 of the matching range of a garden-variety balanced L-network, so I sold it cheap. >... cheerz, Peter - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 18 16:09:42 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:09:42 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <200202181607.g1IG7fu08166@rocky.tcnc.com> > >> >Tuners need only a reflectometer to indicate when zero reflected >> >power is obtained during adjustment. >> >> Generally speaking, I agree with Rich. However, some tuner circuits >> can be tuned up to have a very low input SWR and no output, with the >> tuner losses being transformed up to 50 ohms. The result is that the >> smoke gets let out of the tuner parts - or the solder out out of the >> joints! Of course, these tuners can also be tuned to have a very low >> input SWR because they're doing the job correctly. > > >I hear that rumor repeated, but I've never been able to find that in >any tuner I have ever seen. > € Amen, Tom - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 18 16:09:44 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:09:44 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <200202181607.g1IG7hu08170@rocky.tcnc.com> > >Tom said: > >>I hear that rumor repeated, but I've never been able to find that in >>any tuner I have ever seen. > >The tuner for the British Army D11/D13 tx's could certainly do it. > >I've seen it in a Z match, too. Not often - depends on the load. I don't like >the Z match anyway. > >>What does happen is there is a smooth and gradual reduction in >>efficiency as the Q is made higher, > >Especially in a Z match - which is why I don't like it. > >To avoid any misunderstanding here, I (and I believe Tom is, too) am talking >about the working Q of the matching network, not the Q values of the >individual >components in it. > >RF ammeters or torch bulbs as indicators give a 'feel good' factor. Of >course, >if the tuner is remote, the difficulties of implementation far outweigh the >advantages of having the indication. > € i have yet to see a tuner that did not achive a match when adjusted with a reflectometer. > cheers, Peter - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bjk@ihug.co.nz Mon Feb 18 17:02:21 2002 From: bjk@ihug.co.nz (Barry Kirkwood) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:02:21 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator References: <3C70A0BB.23761.5860DB@localhost> Message-ID: <001701c1b89e$09137c20$96d5adcb@ihug.co.nz> I have managed to melt solder etc in maladjusted ATUs with 100W power levels.The advice about lamp or thermocouple meters in the feedline is good, only needs to be used when setting up. Once characteristics of the system are known one can use the input bridge readings. 73 end Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD Signal Hill Homestay 66 Cory Road Palm Beach Waiheke Island 1240 NEW ZEALAND www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Rauch To: AMPS ; Peter Chadwick Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [AMPS] Power out indicator > > > >Tuners need only a reflectometer to indicate when zero reflected > > >power is obtained during adjustment. > > > > Generally speaking, I agree with Rich. However, some tuner circuits > > can be tuned up to have a very low input SWR and no output, with the > > tuner losses being transformed up to 50 ohms. The result is that the > > smoke gets let out of the tuner parts - or the solder out out of the > > joints! Of course, these tuners can also be tuned to have a very low > > input SWR because they're doing the job correctly. > > > I hear that rumor repeated, but I've never been able to find that in > any tuner I have ever seen. > > What does happen is there is a smooth and gradual reduction in > efficiency as the Q is made higher, but that reduction is so slight > no one would notice the loss in power transfer. Even the smallest > amount of loss will destroy a tuner if power is high, since the loss > is generally confined to one small area of the inductor. Typically as > little as 50 watts of power loss will can ruin an inductor on > sustained CW or RTTY operation. > > It also would be impractical to measure power in the varying load > part of the system, and most people find the power meter > convenient. I use ATR30's here all the time, mostly because it has > a good peak reading meter and antenna switch inside. When I > need to, I can "touch up" a high SWR to work a WARC band or a > frequency out of range of one of my narrow antennas. It is a multi- > function advantage to have a good directional coupler. > > > 73, Tom W8JI > W8JI@contesting.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W8JI@contesting.com Tue Feb 19 02:27:05 2002 From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:27:05 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C7171A9.814.8A0F9D@localhost> > The tuner for the British Army D11/D13 tx's could certainly do it. > > I've seen it in a Z match, too. Not often - depends on the load. I > don't like the Z match anyway. With a reasonable load connected? No way! Perhaps you are confusing an unwanted self-resonance in a roller with the tuner "loading into itself". > >What does happen is there is a smooth and gradual reduction in > >efficiency as the Q is made higher, > > Especially in a Z match - which is why I don't like it. The reduction in efficiency is so gradual and slight no one would ever notice. Long before the power drops substantially, a component will fail. Unless you are running less than a few hundred watts into a tuner capable of a few kilowatts when properly tuned. People just need to learn to use the maximum possible capacitance that allows a match in a T network. That really is pretty simple. 73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From sbauder@wwt.net Tue Feb 19 04:22:19 2002 From: sbauder@wwt.net (Steve Bauder) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:22:19 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] ferro-resonant transformers? Message-ID: <3C71D2FB.88686D78@wwt.net> I have access to a few good sized ferro-resonant transformers that were in tower strobe lighting equipment. Good for a couple amps at 1400volts. I would think the self regulating properties of ferro-resonant transformers would make them excellent candidates for plate transformers, but watching the secondary voltage drop to nearly 0 every time the strobe tube fires kind of worries me. I would think that if I keep the current well under the saturation point that they would be better than standard iron. Any thoughts? Steve Bauder, nx9z -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jflanders2@home.com Tue Feb 19 05:14:58 2002 From: jflanders2@home.com (Jerry Flanders) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:14:58 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] ferro-resonant transformers? In-Reply-To: <3C71D2FB.88686D78@wwt.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020219001255.02644860@mail> The kind I am familiar with require capacitors to run, and HUMMMMmmmm noisily while powered. Jerry W4UK At 10:22 PM 2/18/2002 -0600, Steve Bauder wrote: >I have access to a few good sized ferro-resonant transformers that were >in tower strobe lighting equipment. Good for a couple amps at 1400volts. >I would think the self regulating properties of ferro-resonant >transformers would make them excellent candidates for plate >transformers, but watching the secondary voltage drop to nearly 0 every >time the strobe tube fires kind of worries me. I would think that if I >keep the current well under the saturation point that they would be >better than standard iron. Any thoughts? > >Steve Bauder, nx9z -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Tue Feb 19 07:15:34 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:15:34 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: Rich said: >i have yet to see a tuner that did not achive a match when adjusted >with a reflectometer. That an input match can be achieved is not in dispute. When the input match is achieved, there should be output, and with some tuner circuits, that may not always be the case. In other words, two match positions can be obtained - one that gives output, and the other that 'matches' the internal losses. An example has already been given. Simpler circuits, such as balanced L networks fed from a suitable balun, are less likely to suffer from this. Link coupled tuned circuits are fairly immune, too, although if they happen to feeding a line length such that the impedance is very high or very low, some problems can occur, with either Marconi effect or leakage inductance in the coupling. Any network where you can get matching with various values of working Q can give problems, too, as Tom and Barry have indicated. If you spit at the the coil and it's so hot it spits back, you have the tuner maladjusted! 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From brian.kline@hybrid.com Tue Feb 19 07:29:16 2002 From: brian.kline@hybrid.com (brian.kline@hybrid.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:29:16 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] ferro-resonant transformers? Message-ID: <040D92FFE6C74D45B8B63B465C31AB44AA1FD8@Enterprise.hybrid.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B917.233CAD50 Content-Type: text/plain The mechanical Hum problem can be reduced by disconnecting the capacitor during standby. It will still be there during transmit. GE did this as an option in there Mastr II mobile radio base station power supplies. Ferro-resonant regulating transformers are not very efficient, and I think they dissipate a fair amount of power even unloaded, so there is a price to pay for using them. Also there output regulation with load variations in not real good (there is no compensation for the voltage drop in the secondary winding). There principal application as I understand it is reducing the output variation with supply voltage variation. It may be possible to use the transformer as a magnetic amplifier in conjunction with an active feedback element that looks at the DC output and provide very good regulation. In the past I had wondered if Ferro-resonant regulating transformers could be used in that fashion, but I do not know enough about Ferro-resonant regulating > transformers or magnetic amplifiers either to say for sure. > Brian Kline WA6QDP > ---------- > From: Jerry Flanders[SMTP:jflanders2@home.com] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:14 PM > To: sbauder@wwt.net; amps@contesting.com > Subject: Re: [AMPS] ferro-resonant transformers? > > > The kind I am familiar with require capacitors to run, and HUMMMMmmmm > noisily while powered. > > Jerry W4UK > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B917.233CAD50 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [AMPS] ferro-resonant transformers?

The mechanical Hum problem can be = reduced by disconnecting the capacitor
during standby. It will still be = there during transmit. GE did this as an option in there Mastr II =
mobile radio base station power = supplies. Ferro-resonant = regulating transformers=20
are not very efficient, and I think = they dissipate a fair amount of power even unloaded,
so there is a price to pay for using = them.
Also there output regulation with = load variations in not real good
(there is no compensation for the = voltage drop in the secondary winding).
There principal application as I = understand it is reducing the
output variation  with supply = voltage variation. It may be possible to
use the transformer as a magnetic = amplifier in conjunction with an active
feedback element that looks at the DC = output and provide very good regulation.
In the past I had wondered if = Ferro-resonant regulating transformers could = be
used in that fashion, but I do not = know enough about Ferro-resonant regulating
transformers or magnetic amplifiers either to say for sure.

Brian Kline
WA6QDP


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    From:   Jerry = Flanders[SMTP:jflanders2@home.com]
    Sent:   Monday, February 18, = 2002 9:14 PM
    To:     = sbauder@wwt.net; amps@contesting.com
    Subject: =        Re: [AMPS] ferro-resonant = transformers?


    The kind I am familiar with require = capacitors to run, and HUMMMMmmmm
    noisily while powered.

    Jerry W4UK

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B917.233CAD50-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Tue Feb 19 08:02:46 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:02:46 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: Tom said: >> I've seen it in a Z match, too. Not often - depends on the load. I >> don't like the Z match anyway. >With a reasonable load connected? No way! It's quite easy in a Z match, although a lot depends on what you define as a 'reasonable load'. Think about one thing: if a Z match is so good, why are so many of the commercial tuners T or L networks, when the Z match offers an inherently balanced output, needs no variable inductors, can be made without any switches, and has only two controls? In fact, I don't know of a commercial tuner currently in manufacture that uses the Z match circuit. >The reduction in efficiency is so gradual and slight no one would >ever notice. Long before the power drops substantially, a >component will fail. Not sure I follow this. A component will fail because its VAR is exceeded in some way - too many amps in a coil or capacitor, or too many volts across a capacitor. The power that heats the component has to come from somewhere, and is represented by less output power into the antenna. If I read you correctly, you are suggesting that an output power drop of enough watts to cause the component to burn up will not be noticeable. That suggests to me that the the tuner is marginally rated. Of course, since you are not directly measuring the the number of watts delivered to the antenna, it's a bit difficult to know just how many watts are heating the tuner. >People just need to learn to use the maximum possible >capacitance that allows a match in a T network. Of course. And to remember that the L network has a Q fixed by the ratio of impedances, so that the extra component in a T can allow a much lower working Q and so offer higher efficiency. 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Tue Feb 19 09:50:06 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:50:06 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <001d01c1b92a$d099f440$221a7ad5@office> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Chadwick To: amps ; 'W8JI@contesting.com' Date: 19 February 2002 08:06 Subject: RE: [AMPS] Power out indicator snip >>People just need to learn to use the maximum possible >>capacitance that allows a match in a T network. > >Of course. And to remember that the L network has a Q fixed by the ratio of >impedances, so that the extra component in a T can allow a much lower working Q >and so offer higher efficiency. I'm wide open to correction here, but I think If you are matching between two resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. To get lower, you have to cascade L matches. Doodling on a Smith chart, I reckon that pi or T matches have a higher minimum loaded Q. (Isn't a T match with one cap set inifintely high for lowest Q an L match?). Can't spare time right now to figure if it applies to complex impedances too. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Tue Feb 19 12:36:11 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:36:11 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <200202191237.g1JCbKVw011611@contesting.com> > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Chadwick >To: amps ; 'W8JI@contesting.com' >Date: 19 February 2002 08:06 >Subject: RE: [AMPS] Power out indicator >snip >>>People just need to learn to use the maximum possible >>>capacitance that allows a match in a T network. >> >>Of course. And to remember that the L network has a Q fixed by the ratio of >>impedances, so that the extra component in a T can allow a much lower working Q >>and so offer higher efficiency. >I'm wide open to correction here, but I think If you are matching between >two resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. Yes, you are correct, Steve. >... cheers - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Tue Feb 19 13:06:39 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:06:39 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: Steve said: >I'm wide open to correction here, but I think If you are matching between >two resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. Don't follow that one. In the L network, the Q is fixed by the impedance transformation. In the pi or the T (one of which is the dual of the other), having the three variables allows Q to be a chosen parameter. Although I suspect we may have to define what we mean by the circuit Q here - the usual trick in a pi is that it's Rin/Xc1. 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Tue Feb 19 13:59:10 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:59:10 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <001601c1b94d$9bd60780$60877ad5@office> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Chadwick To: Steve Thompson ; amps Date: 19 February 2002 13:09 Subject: RE: [AMPS] Power out indicator >Steve said: > >>I'm wide open to correction here, but I think If you are matching between >>two resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. > > >Don't follow that one. In the L network, the Q is fixed by the impedance >transformation. In the pi or the T (one of which is the dual of the other), >having the three variables allows Q to be a chosen parameter. > >Although I suspect we may have to define what we mean by the circuit Q here - >the usual trick in a pi is that it's Rin/Xc1. Maybe it's in the definition, but I think you can't have any Q you choose in a pi network - isn't there a minimum value? If you plot the matching on a Smith chart, and add some constant Q curves, you can identify the point where highest Q occurs - I've always assumed that point is the loaded Q of the network. If you do that for two resistances, you find that a pi or T cannot have a lower loaded Q than the L network. Having done a couple of quick doodles, I think it applies to any pair of impedances. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ku7i@hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 22:42:16 2002 From: ku7i@hotmail.com (Lane Zeitler) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:42:16 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] two used Eimac 3-500Zs $165 shipped Message-ID: Two used full output Eimac 3-500Zs for sale. $165 shipped lower 48. Lane Ku7i San Diego _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From barrie99@marsweb.com Wed Feb 20 00:03:03 2002 From: barrie99@marsweb.com (barrie99@marsweb.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:03:03 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] Antenna tuner Message-ID: <3C72E7B7.7F07@marsweb.com> I'd like to thank all of those who offered suggestions regarding "relative power idicators" for my link-coupled antenna tuner project. Now I have another question. The schematic I'm following for the tuner calls for a 1700 pf capacitor, in series to ground, on the input link. I have a 4000 ph vacuum cap that I could use. However, it's big and heavy. I also have a 500 pf vacuum cap that's light and small. I realize I could add fixed capacitance in parallel to achieve the correct value. My question is: Would "doorknob" caps be a good choice for this added capacitance? If so, any particular type? TNX, Barrie, W7ALW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kb7ww@easystreet.com Wed Feb 20 00:26:36 2002 From: kb7ww@easystreet.com (Arthur Moe) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:26:36 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] Impedance of Square outer coax line. Message-ID: <3C72ED3C.1BA69588@easystreet.com> Could some one pass along the formula for calculating the equivalent round section of a square tube so I can calculate line impedance. Thank you Art KB7WW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W8JI@contesting.com Wed Feb 20 01:01:06 2002 From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:01:06 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator In-Reply-To: <001d01c1b92a$d099f440$221a7ad5@office> Message-ID: <3C72AF02.5371.561E293@localhost> >> much lower working Q and so offer higher efficiency. >I'm wide open to > correction here, but I think If you are matching between two > resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. To get lower, you > have to cascade L matches. Looking at a typical inductor Q=300 and capacitor Q=5000 matching 50 ohms to 1000 ohms with 1500 watts on 1.83 MHz: L network Qeff=4.36 C=380pF L=18.96uH and loss = 25.7watts T network Qeff=4.7 C=389(2) L=19.45uH and loss=24.5w Pi Qeff=4.7 C=389(2) L=19.45 and loss=24.5w While the effective operating Q is slightly higher in the T and Pi, loss is lower. The main difference between all of these is the T would have the widest impedance matching range of all three choices, and the L the poorest impedance matching range for a given maximum value of components. Both the pi and T are very restricted in matching range when reasonable size components are used, and neither have lower loss. That's the reason almost everyone uses a T network. I suppose some people might think a pi or L is somehow better, but for a given maximum value of component size the T actually works out best by far. Another interesting thing is some people assume moving the balun to the 50 ohm side of a T or pi makes the balun work better. That isn't true either, so far as flux density in the core or overall balance is concerned. The balun sees the same common mode problems, no matter what side of the network it is on. The exception is when a grounded center true-balanced network is used. I sometimes see L's and Pi's or even "balanced" networks with a floating center point, and wonder why they bothered. All my big tuners are T's, with choke baluns on the outputs. 73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Wed Feb 20 02:26:43 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:26:43 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Impedance of Square outer coax line. Message-ID: <20020219.182643.-1935323.0.WC6W@juno.com> Hi Art, Do you mean a round inner conductor & square tube outer? See the lower left corner of page 24-22 of Reference Data for Radio Engineers, 6th edition, by ITT. It is beyond my typing limit... and I don't have a scanner. Oh, what the heck, let's see if I have enough screen ink... Zo approx= [138 log10 (p) + 6.48 - 2.34(1+0.405p^-4)/(1-0.405p^-4) -.48(1+0.163p^-8)/(1-0.163p^ -8) - .12 (1+0.067(p)^-12)/(1-0.067(p)^-12)]e^-0.5 Where D is the square dimension and d is the inner diameter and p= D/d I suggest entering that formula into a spread sheet or a Basic program to avoid wearing out the slide rule. Here it is in Quick Basic --- DQ = 1.4465147 : REM -- inside dimension of square outer conductor D = 1 : REM -- diameter of inner conductor P = DQ / D Zo = (138 * LOG(P) * LOG(10) + 6.48 - 2.34 * (1 + .405 * P ^ -4) / (1 - .405 * (P) ^ -4) - .48 * (1 + .163 * (P) ^ -8) / (1 - .163 * (P) ^ -8) - .12 * (1 + .067 * (P) ^ -12) / (1 - .067 * (P) ^ -12)) * (2.718281828#) ^ -(1 / 2) PRINT Zo; "ohms" 73 ohms, Marv WC6W On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:26:36 +0000 Arthur Moe writes: > > Could some one pass along the formula for calculating the equivalent > round > section of a square tube so I can calculate line impedance. > > > Thank you > > Art > KB7WW > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From g8gsq@qsl.net Wed Feb 20 07:32:04 2002 From: g8gsq@qsl.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:32:04 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <001801c1b9e0$b2a11ac0$318b7ad5@jackie> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rauch To: amps ; Steve Thompson Date: 20 February 2002 01:07 Subject: Re: [AMPS] Power out indicator > > >>> much lower working Q and so offer higher efficiency. > >>I'm wide open to >> correction here, but I think If you are matching between two >> resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. To get lower, you >> have to cascade L matches. > >Looking at a typical inductor Q=300 and capacitor Q=5000 >matching 50 ohms to 1000 ohms with 1500 watts on 1.83 MHz: > >L network Qeff=4.36 C=380pF L=18.96uH and loss = 25.7watts >T network Qeff=4.7 C=389(2) L=19.45uH and loss=24.5w >Pi Qeff=4.7 C=389(2) L=19.45 and loss=24.5w > >While the effective operating Q is slightly higher in the T and Pi, >loss is lower. I agree there's little doubt that the L network rarely has a significant advantage compared with the tuning flexibility of the others. Correcting a previous comment of mine, where there are reactive components to be matched, pi/T can have lower loaded Q than L. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 20 12:32:10 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:32:10 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Power out indicator Message-ID: <200202201233.g1KCXGVw013796@contesting.com> > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Rauch >To: amps ; Steve Thompson >Date: 20 February 2002 01:07 >Subject: Re: [AMPS] Power out indicator > > >> >> >>>> much lower working Q and so offer higher efficiency. >> >>>I'm wide open to >>> correction here, but I think If you are matching between two >>> resitances, the L match has the lowest loaded Q. To get lower, you >>> have to cascade L matches. >> >>Looking at a typical inductor Q=300 and capacitor Q=5000 >>matching 50 ohms to 1000 ohms with 1500 watts on 1.83 MHz: >> >>L network Qeff=4.36 C=380pF L=18.96uH and loss = 25.7watts >>T network Qeff=4.7 C=389(2) L=19.45uH and loss=24.5w >>Pi Qeff=4.7 C=389(2) L=19.45 and loss=24.5w >> >>While the effective operating Q is slightly higher in the T and Pi, >>loss is lower. >I agree there's little doubt that the L network rarely has a significant >advantage compared with the tuning flexibility of the others. € Advantages of the L-netork are: 1. lowest circulating current through the inductance -- i. e., the reactance with the most potential for power loss. 2. ideally suited for balanced transmission lines (the balanced L). 3. two controls instead of three or four, so no inappropriate settings of the inductance is possible. 4. configuration with greatest power handling ability. 5. no ferrite core balun to saturate with typical SWRs on bal. transmission lines. € Disadvantages of the L-network are: 1. Unavailable to appliance operators. [sad violin music in background] 2. Requires a SPST switch to match <50‡ loads. (however, experience shows that including the low-Z switch in your design virtually guarantees in writing that a <50‡ Z will not exist in any Ham-band on your ladder-line-fed multiband antenna system) >Correcting a >previous comment of mine, where there are reactive components to be matched, >pi/T can have lower loaded Q than L. > amen, Steve - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bjk@ihug.co.nz Wed Feb 20 14:29:48 2002 From: bjk@ihug.co.nz (Barry Kirkwood) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:29:48 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Antenna tuner References: <3C72E7B7.7F07@marsweb.com> Message-ID: <015d01c1ba1b$0d809b20$44d8adcb@ihug.co.nz> I have not seen the original circuit, but the required capacitance seems very large to me. If on an input link only 1000pf max should be ample above 3MHz. ex BC variables should suffice up to 1 kW plus. 73 end Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD Signal Hill Homestay 66 Cory Road Palm Beach Waiheke Island 1240 NEW ZEALAND www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: [AMPS] Antenna tuner > > I'd like to thank all of those who offered suggestions regarding > "relative power idicators" for my link-coupled antenna tuner project. > > Now I have another question. The schematic I'm following for the tuner > calls for a 1700 pf capacitor, in series to ground, on the input link. > > I have a 4000 ph vacuum cap that I could use. However, it's big and > heavy. I also have a 500 pf vacuum cap that's light and small. I > realize I could add fixed capacitance in parallel to achieve the correct > value. > > My question is: Would "doorknob" caps be a good choice for this added > capacitance? If so, any particular type? > > TNX, Barrie, W7ALW > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Thomas Giella, KN4LF" Tom W8JI Said: The main difference between all of these is the T would have the widest impedance matching range of all three choices, and the L the poorest impedance matching range for a given maximum value of components. Both the pi and T are very restricted in matching range when reasonable size components are used, and neither have lower loss. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a parallel L/C matching network used between the linear amp and say a 1/2 wave vertical/L Antenna? 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF Plant City, FL Grid Square- EL88wx CQ Zone 5 ITU Zone 8 KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF 7 Day Medium Wave Radio Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm Florida Meteorological & Climatic Institute: http://64.176.157.9/sub/fmci.htm Giella Website Designs: http://www.giellawoodsignandwebsitedesigns.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 20 15:30:11 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:30:11 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Parallel Network Message-ID: <200202201531.g1KFVHVw017260@contesting.com> > >Tom W8JI Said: >The main difference between all of these is the T would have the >widest impedance matching range of all three choices, and the L >the poorest impedance matching range for a given maximum value >of components. € Add a SPST switch to an L-network and it can match 1‡ to 10k‡. >Both the pi and T are very restricted in matching >range when reasonable size components are used, and neither >have lower loss. > Agreed > >What are the strengths and weaknesses of a parallel L/C matching network >used between the linear amp and say a 1/2 wave vertical/L Antenna? > € I tried a parallel L-C tank matcher with my Tetrode with Handles amplifier. The RF circulating current melted the silver solder in a 57-series doorknob transmitting cap. cheers, Thomas >Plant City, FL >Grid Square- EL88wx >CQ Zone 5 >ITU Zone 8 > >KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: >http://www.kn4lf.com > >KN4LF 7 Day Medium Wave Radio Propagation Outlook: >http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm > >Florida Meteorological & Climatic Institute: >http://64.176.157.9/sub/fmci.htm > >Giella Website Designs: >http://www.giellawoodsignandwebsitedesigns.com > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Wed Feb 20 15:47:50 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:47:50 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Antenna tuner Message-ID: > I'd like to thank all of those who offered suggestions regarding > "relative power idicators" for my link-coupled antenna tuner project. > > Now I have another question. The schematic I'm following for the tuner > calls for a 1700 pf capacitor, in series to ground, on the input link. > > I have a 4000 ph vacuum cap that I could use. However, it's big and > heavy. I also have a 500 pf vacuum cap that's light and small. I > realize I could add fixed capacitance in parallel to achieve the correct > value. > ::My feeling is that this is a poor choice. Vacuum caps are too slow to adjust, requiring lots of rotations for a relatively small capacitance change. If the tuner includes a bridge and control circuitry, and a motor system to drive the capacitor, then I'd go for it; but for a manually adjustable tuner, vacuum caps are silly. Also, if the actual circuit design requires 1700pF max (seems like a lot for an input cap) and you parallel fixed cap(s) across a 500pF variable, you don't have nearly the tuning range that a 1700pF variable would have, unless you use lots of small shunt caps and switch them in and out -- sounds like a lot of bother. -WB2WIK/6 > My question is: Would "doorknob" caps be a good choice for this added > capacitance? If so, any particular type? > > TNX, Barrie, W7ALW > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bjk@ihug.co.nz Wed Feb 20 20:19:46 2002 From: bjk@ihug.co.nz (Barry Kirkwood) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:19:46 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Parallel Network References: <200202201531.g1KFVHVw017260@contesting.com> Message-ID: <001301c1ba4b$f1fba940$44d8adcb@ihug.co.nz> There is an excellent discussion on the parrallel tunde circuit (classic) ATU by the learned Dr Cebik (www.cebik.com) . The oldtimers used them almost unversally back in the days when open wire line was the norm. They almost always used some sort of current indicator in the line (or neon tubes etc.). They are excellent but need to be used with intelligence. Otherwise you melt solder etc. 73 BTW: I use two of them with great success. You can just see them down to the left of the picture of me in my shack in the ZL1DD part of my website. end Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD Signal Hill Homestay 66 Cory Road Palm Beach Waiheke Island 1240 NEW ZEALAND www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard <2@mail.vcnet.com> To: Thomas Giella, KN4LF ; Amps E-List Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Parallel Network > >Tom W8JI Said: >The main difference between all of these is the T would have the >widest impedance matching range of all three choices, and the L >the poorest impedance matching range for a given maximum value >of components. € Add a SPST switch to an L-network and it can match 1? to 10k?. >Both the pi and T are very restricted in matching >range when reasonable size components are used, and neither >have lower loss. > Agreed > >What are the strengths and weaknesses of a parallel L/C matching network >used between the linear amp and say a 1/2 wave vertical/L Antenna? > € I tried a parallel L-C tank matcher with my Tetrode with Handles amplifier. The RF circulating current melted the silver solder in a 57-series doorknob transmitting cap. cheers, Thomas >Plant City, FL >Grid Square- EL88wx >CQ Zone 5 >ITU Zone 8 > >KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: >http://www.kn4lf.com > >KN4LF 7 Day Medium Wave Radio Propagation Outlook: >http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm > >Florida Meteorological & Climatic Institute: >http://64.176.157.9/sub/fmci.htm > >Giella Website Designs: >http://www.giellawoodsignandwebsitedesigns.com > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps >Submissions: amps@contesting.com >Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6ru@bak.rr.com Wed Feb 20 22:42:10 2002 From: w6ru@bak.rr.com (Terry Gaiser) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:42:10 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Trade Chimeys Message-ID: <001101c1ba5f$d55ebde0$6701a8c0@p4> I have a SK-516 chimney for 3-1000Z to trade for a SK-506 chimney for 4-1000A. Any takers? TNX, Terry W6RU -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kb7ww@easystreet.com Thu Feb 21 00:48:58 2002 From: kb7ww@easystreet.com (Arthur Moe) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:48:58 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] Thanks sq outer round inner coax Message-ID: <3C7443FA.83A7D93E@easystreet.com> Thanks to all who answered this question. I will post a summary in a few minutes, several asked for the information. AGN TKS Art KB7WW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kb7ww@easystreet.com Thu Feb 21 01:06:18 2002 From: kb7ww@easystreet.com (Arthur Moe) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:06:18 +0000 Subject: [AMPS] Summary of info on SQ outer Round inner coax Message-ID: <3C74480A.5CD9EC7F@easystreet.com> Got several answers to my question so here goes. I will list the source if the author sent it. For square coax with air dielectric, to a very good approximation, the impedance is 138log (D/d). That is the same as for round coax. attributed to OZ2OE: Z0 = (138/E) * log10 (1.08 * D/d) (for circular inner and square outer conductor) E = dielectric constant of insulation: (1 = air) page 24-22 of Reference Data for Radio Engineers, 6th edition, by ITT. Zo approx= [138 log10 (p) + 6.48 - 2.34(1+0.405p^-4)/(1-0.405p^-4) -.48(1+0.163p^-8)/(1-0.163p^ -8) - .12 (1+0.067(p)^-12)/(1-0.067(p)^-12)]e^-0.5 Where D is the square dimension and d is the inner diameter and p= D/d The RSGB "The VHF/UHF DX Book" (p. 7-34) says: Zo = 138log [1.08 (D/d)] Where: log is base 10 D is the inner width of the square tubing d is the outer diameter of the center conductor (and is centered in the tube) Obviously, D & d should be in the same units (do not mean to insult intelligence). If the length of a side of the square is s, then the diameter of the equivalent circle is 2*s/(the square root of pi), or approximately 1.128*s. The impedance of square coax (with center conductor in the middle) is 138*log((1.178D)/d). D is the inner wall length of the enclosure, and d is the dia of the center conductor. (both in same units!! It doesn't work that way. The Radio Engineers Handbook or the Reference Data Book for Engineers has formulas for square transmission lines. http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/equiv/index.html http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/articles/square/index.html Thanks again for the help Art KB7WW -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W8JI@contesting.com Thu Feb 21 12:23:24 2002 From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:23:24 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Antenna tuner In-Reply-To: <3C72E7B7.7F07@marsweb.com> Message-ID: <3C74A06C.19107.6873D7@localhost> > Now I have another question. The schematic I'm following for the > tuner calls for a 1700 pf capacitor, in series to ground, on the input > link. Current in that link capacitor system is always equal to the line current, so you can get the approximate current using standard power formula's in the Handbook and other places. I=sqr root of P/R, so current would be about 5.5 amps with 1500 watts. Some doorknobs will handle that, some won't. The voltage across that capacitor will be current above times Xc at the operating frequency, so you might have almost any voltage from a few volts to several thousand volts depending on how much C you use and the frequency. If you adjust the tuner so you use a lot of capacitance, voltage will be very low. The vacuum variable will be a poor capacitor choice, because the link capacitor often has to be moved in value a large amount. It is also generally not critical to tune, because Q is often very low in the link. Use an air variable if you can find one, and when you adjust the tuner use the maximum C you possibly can. 73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 18:52:28 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes Message-ID: <20020221185228.28921.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Just acquired (real cheap) a Heathkit HA-10 with a blown Plate transformer and no tubes. Everything else is in like new condition. Since the amp looks like new I'm thinking I should install a new Plate transformer of sufficient voltage and power capabilities to power up four new 572B tubes. This would increase the power out and I would gain some plate dissapation capibilities as well. Any thoughts? 73, bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From stevek@jmr.com Thu Feb 21 18:56:00 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:56:00 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes Message-ID: > Just acquired (real cheap) a Heathkit HA-10 with a > blown Plate transformer and no tubes. Everything else > is in like new condition. Since the amp looks like > new I'm thinking I should install a new Plate > transformer of sufficient voltage and power > capabilities to power up four new 572B tubes. This > would increase the power out and I would gain some > plate dissapation capibilities as well. ::Why not? There should be sufficient room in this monster. Don't forget to change the cathode bias, too. And the filter caps/bleeders. I'd recommend getting rid of the silly little fan and installing a real fan, like a 120mm "boxer" fan... Pretty looking amplifier. Way too heavy for a mere 1kW PEP, but like Wonder Bread, it might help build strong bodies... -WB2WIK/6 > Any thoughts? > 73, > bill > > > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From n8de@thepoint.net Thu Feb 21 19:16:34 2002 From: n8de@thepoint.net (Don Havlicek) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:16:34 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes References: <20020221185228.28921.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C754792.ED640872@thepoint.net> Bill, If you increase the anode voltage, my greatest concern would be the voltage breakdown ratings of the tuning caps and the tank coil. Don't think there's much room for error there! Most Heathkit stuff was NOT built for mods that include higher voltages. You'll probably have to do a LOT of work in that power supply, too .. caps, etc.. Don N8DE Bill Smith wrote: > > Just acquired (real cheap) a Heathkit HA-10 with a > blown Plate transformer and no tubes. Everything else > is in like new condition. Since the amp looks like > new I'm thinking I should install a new Plate > transformer of sufficient voltage and power > capabilities to power up four new 572B tubes. This > would increase the power out and I would gain some > plate dissapation capibilities as well. > > Any thoughts? > 73, > bill > > > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 23:08:53 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:08:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] Thermador Model CS-5665A Transformer Message-ID: <20020221230853.65301.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> I have one at 1175 volts at 600ma. Is the 600 ma rating in CCS? 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From zl1aih@ihug.co.nz Fri Feb 22 01:25:29 2002 From: zl1aih@ihug.co.nz (zl1aih@ihug.co.nz) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:25:29 +1300 Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes In-Reply-To: <20020221185228.28921.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C7654D9.7349.1A4AB61@localhost> Hi Bill I have restored a Heath HA-10 - it had been so severely modified and subsequently neglected, I had to completely strip it back to a box of components, nuts and bolts etc. Luckily, I was given the original Heath manual, and was able to bring the amp back to almost original condition. I dumped the four 572Bs (3 were dead, 1 had low emission) and replaced them with new 811-As. (The 866 rectifiers had already been replaced with a solid-state rectifier board, and HT is 1600vdc under load of 600ma.) IHMO, even if you already have the four 572Bs and higher voltage filter capacitors in your junk-box, any increased power level would put the existing lightweight tank circuit components under considerably greater stress. With the 811-As, I had to fit an extractor fan on the rear of the cabinet - the original tiny fan was barely adequate. For an acceptable match to the exciter, I use an outboard switched pi-net circuit at the input. My HA-10 works fine and loafs at our 400 watt PEP limit, and that copper plated cabinet looks great after a re-spray. Good luck with your project. Ken, ZL1AIH -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bjk@ihug.co.nz Fri Feb 22 01:39:06 2002 From: bjk@ihug.co.nz (Barry Kirkwood) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:39:06 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes References: <3C7654D9.7349.1A4AB61@localhost> Message-ID: <003c01c1bb41$bb5baba0$97d5adcb@ihug.co.nz> I can vouch for this: Ken's amp looks and works better than new. Looks great alongside his mint HRO 5T and Johnson Tx! 73 Barry end Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD Signal Hill Homestay 66 Cory Road Palm Beach Waiheke Island 1240 NEW ZEALAND www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Bill Smith Cc: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes > > Hi Bill > I have restored a Heath HA-10 - it had been so severely modified and > subsequently neglected, I had to completely strip it back to a box of > components, nuts and bolts etc. Luckily, I was given the original Heath > manual, and was able to bring the amp back to almost original condition. > I dumped the four 572Bs (3 were dead, 1 had low emission) and replaced > them with new 811-As. (The 866 rectifiers had already been replaced > with a solid-state rectifier board, and HT is 1600vdc under load of 600ma.) > IHMO, even if you already have the four 572Bs and higher voltage filter > capacitors in your junk-box, any increased power level would put the > existing lightweight tank circuit components under considerably greater > stress. > With the 811-As, I had to fit an extractor fan on the rear of the cabinet - > the original tiny fan was barely adequate. For an acceptable match to the > exciter, I use an outboard switched pi-net circuit at the input. > My HA-10 works fine and loafs at our 400 watt PEP limit, and that copper > plated cabinet looks great after a re-spray. > Good luck with your project. > Ken, ZL1AIH > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Fri Feb 22 12:58:18 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:58:18 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors Message-ID: <007601c1bba0$99749380$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Does anyone here know where to buy metal oxide film (mof) resistors? Mouser has dropped their line of Matsushita (now Panasonic) and I havent found another source yet!!thanks for any info you have. I've been getting some values from Rich M. but there are others I use now and then for other projects!! thanks for any info I can get.. carl / kz5ca -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 22 14:50:49 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:50:49 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors Message-ID: <200202221451.g1MEpnVw004310@contesting.com> > > Does anyone here know where to buy metal oxide film (mof) resistors? Mouser >has dropped their line of Matsushita (now Panasonic) and I havent found >another source yet!!thanks for any info you have. I've been getting some >values from Rich M. but there are others I use now and then for other >projects!! thanks for any info I can get.. > carl / kz5ca > € Digikey stocks them. The price is around 50-cents for one 3W, or $188 per k. No values above 100k‡ are mfg. The L of a 100‡, 3Wer is approx 11nH. Dow Corning makes something similar, butt the price is c. triple and there is an assinine wait. Digikey stocks 0.22‡s to 100k‡s and delivery is next day for those who are willing to pay. > cheers, Carl. - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W7lr@aol.com Fri Feb 22 15:07:27 2002 From: W7lr@aol.com (W7lr@aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:07:27 EST Subject: [AMPS] mof Message-ID: <163.93b3562.29a7b8af@aol.com> mof from Antique Electronic Supply, Tempe, AZ. (6221 S. Maple Av. zip 85283). or 800 706 6789 for a nice catalog. Bob W7LR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From elmore@nssl.noaa.gov Fri Feb 22 15:22:34 2002 From: elmore@nssl.noaa.gov (Kim Elmore) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:22:34 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222092118.02ae8370@172.16.3.4> That's odd. I recently bought some metal oxide resistors manufactured by Xircon from Mouser. I also just looked at Mouser's site and they still carry them. Am I ignorant of a fundamental difference between metal oxide and metal oxide film resistors? I may be benighted, but I thought they were the same thing. Kim Elmore, N5OP >At 07:58 AM 2/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Does anyone here know where to buy metal oxide film (mof) resistors? Mouser >has dropped their line of Matsushita (now Panasonic) and I havent found >another source yet!!thanks for any info you have. I've been getting some >values from Rich M. but there are others I use now and then for other >projects!! thanks for any info I can get.. > carl / kz5ca Kim Elmore, Ph.D. "All of weather is divided into three parts: Yes, No, and Maybe. The greatest of these is Maybe" The original Latin appears to be garbled. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7ddmjb@qwest.net Fri Feb 22 15:57:23 2002 From: k7ddmjb@qwest.net (Mike Baker) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:57:23 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes References: <20020221185228.28921.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c1bbb9$9eec1360$ed850d82@speedchoice.com> Hello Bill, I have a Warrior that I refurbished and offer a few comments. There is a reason the power transformer went south. They were too small as was the choke. Removing both along with the 2.5V fil xfmr and the 866's give lots of room for rework. While you are at it, pull the oil filled filter cap as well. Now you can start from scratch and here is where you have to make a choice; stay with 811's or go 572B's or should I say, stay with 1500VDC or go to 2500VDC. Here are my thoughts on the subject.. The balance of the RF deck parts might (MIGHT) work ok on 2500VDC but if not then more rework will be necessary. If I stay with 1500VDC range of operation I can use EITHER tube and no further tank circuit modifications will be necessary and as a bonus if I choose to use 572B's I gain twice the plate dissipation per tube; great for high duty modes like RTTY,SSTV,PSK31 etc. 800 watts peak out will be no trouble for 4 572B's but pushing the max + out of 4 811A's with 65Watts of plate dissipation each. (4 X 65 = 260 Watts + 800 = 1060 watts input. And this assumes approx. 67% efficiency which is probably a little high. More like 60 to 62% max. so the real PEP input is closer to 1200W.) My recommendation is to stay with the 1500VDC range and use 572B's and you will have a fairly conservative amp that is not as much work to get going. I used a transformer that I purchased on E-Bay that was rated at 750VAC at 700ma. continuous as a voltage doubler with some new electrolytics and a HD diode board and the no load is a bit high but put it under full tilt boogie and it settles down nicely to the recommended range. Used a filament transformer in reverse to provide the cut off bias and a separate filament transformer for the tubes. Used the QSK system from Rich Measures so I have both high speed and low switching current/voltage making the amp usable with newer transceivers. (Real sweet using full qsk and a half gallon out during a contest or chasing DX.) While you are at it, don't forget the glitch resistor in the HV line and a protection diode across the meter. The best $2.00 insurance you will ever buy especially if you blow the meter and try to find another! (That cheep amp will start looking a lot more expensive!) Cooling! The original fan is puny at best but remember, these tubes are NOT forced air cooled, just circulated air cooled so yes, a good boxer type fan is a good idea but make sure it can exit without much restriction as those fans can't take much back pressure. Personally, I prefer to suck hot air out rather than just stuff outside air in but you make your own evaluation. Money wise, here is how my amp turned out... Original purchase price of Amp without case. $17.83 !!! Ugly case that needs paint. $40 Paint, stripper, sandpaper etc. $20 Cooling fans $12 QSK system, suppressors, glitch parts= $60 4 New Chinese 811A tubes traded for 4 slightly used Cetron 572B $45 New plate choke, (just because) $4 New filter caps 6ea. 450MFD @ 450VDC $4ea = $24 HD diodes 8ea 1KV @ 6Amp w bleeders = $10 New power transformer and choke = $70 Misc. stuff $10 Grand total $312.83 for an amp that originally only cost me $17.83 !!! and that does not include the human supplies like beverages/snacks necessary for this project nor the time it took to acquire all the right parts to finish an amp that has more invested in it than it is worth. It must be a labor of love because it shure is not economical. Satisfying, Yes. Fun, Yes. Worth it to not see a good piece of gear end up as scrap parts, Yep you bet. Would I do it all over again if I could, Yep Now if I could only come up with a couple of stripped out Dentron GLA-1000 or a MLA-2500B as cheeply as I got this Warrior, I would have my next rebuild project waiting for me. OH, BTW, anyone got a chimney for a 4-1000A cheep, they would like to see go to a new home? Or maybe a filament transformer? ;>} Good luck with your project Bill. Keep us posted with your results. Best 73 Mike Baker K7DD k7ddmjb@qwest.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [AMPS] HA-10 Conversion to 572B Tubes > > Just acquired (real cheap) a Heathkit HA-10 with a > blown Plate transformer and no tubes. Everything else > is in like new condition. Since the amp looks like > new I'm thinking I should install a new Plate > transformer of sufficient voltage and power > capabilities to power up four new 572B tubes. This > would increase the power out and I would gain some > plate dissapation capibilities as well. > > Any thoughts? > 73, > bill > > > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Fri Feb 22 16:13:16 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:13:16 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors Message-ID: <200202221614.g1MGEHVw006715@contesting.com> > >That's odd. I recently bought some metal oxide resistors manufactured by >Xircon from Mouser. I also just looked at Mouser's site and they still >carry them. Am I ignorant of a fundamental difference between metal oxide >and metal oxide film resistors? I may be benighted, but I thought they were >the same thing. > MF is used for lower R. MOF is used for higher R. - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jtml@lanl.gov Fri Feb 22 16:17:03 2002 From: jtml@lanl.gov (John T. M. Lyles) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:17:03 -0700 Subject: [AMPS] HA10? In-Reply-To: <200202220446.g1M4k8W0028179@contesting.com> References: <200202220446.g1M4k8W0028179@contesting.com> Message-ID: Re: Heath HA10. Is that the same as a Warrior? About a year ago I was looking for a KW1 Chippewa with the KS1 power supply. I found one in Redmond, WA, area and saw it while visiting there. It had been modified to be grounded grid, triode connected 4-400As, and the power supply was homebrew - not what I was looking for. I'd like to find one to get 2 x 4-400A tetrode amp. If anyone finds one in better shape thats for sale, please let me know. We have a Johnson Thunderbolt here at work in mint condx, and its a nice beast inside. However, I need a KW1~ Thanks, John K5PRO New Mexico -- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Fri Feb 22 19:02:55 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:02:55 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: More Test Equipment Message-ID: <20020222.110413.-1809747.2.WC6W@juno.com> *** More Test Equipment *** Hewlett Packard 204B Opt. 2 Audio Oscillator (transistorized), 5Hz to 560KHz in 5 ranges. 5" x 6" x 8" deep. This is a rechargeable battery unit but, the batteries died and were removed long ago. The batteries would need to be replaced before operating or the unit could be converted to AC operation by adding a couple capacitors & zeners. I believe the unit is otherwise complete & functional but, I don't have the time to test so I can't guarantee that! This is from a friend's estate and it may have been in storage for as long as 25 years. An original HP manual is included -- $50. May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=HP204B.jpg&.sr c=ph Hewlett Packard 350B Audio Attenuator mounted in an LMB box. I haven't had a chance to check it for function. $30 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Hp350B.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Hewlett Packard 8554B plug in for 141T Spectrum Analyzer system with manual copy. This unit has a mechanical intermittent in the 500 MHz amp module -- it works most of the time and a tap on top gets it going again if it quits. I really don't have the time to open it up and fix it, so I'm offering it for $400 as is. May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=8554B.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t Wavetek modular RF generator units. They are all in metal "cans" about 3" by 1.25" by 3.5" high. M1H Sweep Drive $20 M2H Sweep Drive $20 M5H Marker Adder $20 M9G Osc-Mixer $10 M9H Osc-Mixer $10 M9Y-1 Sweep Osc $10 M10G Output Amp $10 M10H Output Amp $10 M19 Sweep Osc $10 M19G Sweep Osc $15 M19H Sweep Osc $15 All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Fri Feb 22 19:01:58 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:01:58 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Test Equipment Message-ID: <20020222.110413.-1809747.1.WC6W@juno.com> *** Test Equipment -- all functional!! *** Data I/O Unipack 2, PROM progamming fixture for 29A/B programmers. $50 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Unipak.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t DataPulse (Systron Donner) Model 101, 10 MHz Pulse Generator, 10 Hz TO 10 MHz in 6 Ranges, 8.5" x 4" x 11" deep $50 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=HP461.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t General Radio 758-A 55-400 MHz Wavemeter. Dial in need of severe polishing but, insides are clean. $40 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=GR758A.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t --- and --- http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=GR758A-2.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Heathkit / Zenith ET-3100 Electronic Design Experimenter. Small protoboard plus 200Hz-20KHz Sine & Squarewave generator, individually variable +/- 15 V supplies, 30VCT AC source, 1K & 100K undedicated potentiometers. AC Line powered. $75 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=ET3100.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Heathkit IM-4180 FM Deviation meter. $125 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=IM4180.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t Heathkit QM-1 Q-Meter w/ operation manual. $100 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Qmeter.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Hewlett Packard 141T Spectrum Analyzer system including mainframe, 8552B IF section, 8553B, and 8555A RF sections plus 8443A Tracking generator. All original knobs, terminators,etc. clean and working fine. With manuals (or copies thereof...) for all units. $2200 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=141Ttrk.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=8555A.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t Hewlett Packard 427A (transistorized) volt-ohmmeter with nice 4" mirrored scale. Reads as low as 10 mV full scale on AC and up to 1000V AC or DC. Including a spare battery and an original HP manual -- $75 Hewlett Packard Strobline Demonstrator. A rare sales tool from the late 1960's for dot matrix readouts built in a 5"x3"x11" deep series 1 HP cabinet. Complete your HP collection now! Working! $100 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=HPDemo.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Harrison (later HP) 865B 40V .5A Max. Constant Voltage-Constant Current Laboratory Power Supplies $25 ea $45 pair May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=HP865B.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Hewlett Packard 4260A Universal Bridge -- measures resistors, capacitors and inductors. Also checks inductor Q and capacitor D using either internal 1KC source or external oscillator. Has "semi-auto" nulling feature in L&C modes. 6" hi x 8" wide x 12" deep overall -- 115/230 VAC powered. $250 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=HP4260A.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t McMurdo Silver model 903 Wavemeter coils: #100, 102, 103, 104 ,105 & 106 in original boxes. I also have the empty box from coil #101 and the instruction sheet for the Wavemeter.... and no, I do NOT have the meter itself. $30 all Kepco Dual PCX 15-1.5 MAT 15 volt 1.5 amp max lab power supply in Kepco PC-4 cabinet. Individual voltage & current meters (4 total). Ten turn voltage adjust -- $70 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Kepco15V.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Kepco Dual PCX 40-0.5 MAT 40 volt .5 amp max lab power supply in Kepco PC-4 cabinet. Individual voltage & current meters (4 total). Ten turn voltage adjust -- $70 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Kepco40V.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Polarad 1207A Microwave Signal Generator 3.7-8.4 GHz. $75 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Pol1207A.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Pomona #2399 cast Aluminum Boxes (2¼" x 1-1/8" x 7/8" o.d.) w/ gold plated SMA female connector on each end. New (in factory sealed plastic bag) -- $10 ea Sierra Electronics model 164B Bi-Directional Power / SWR meter (looks just like a URM-120) with 181-A-1000 element -- covers 200-1000 MHz with four power ranges: 10W, 50W, 100W & 500W full scale. Case is in good condition finished in "Howard Hughes" green -- leather carrying strap is in very good condition. N connectors (M&F) -- $80 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Sierra.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Teaberry model TB 6503 HF SWR / Power meter. 100W / 10W ranges FWD & REF power plus SWR. UHF connectors. $5 TEI model 28-200 relative power / SWR / Field strength meter -- screw in whip antenna is missing. UHF connectors. $7 See the SWR meters at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=swr.jpg&.src=p h&.view=t&.hires=t All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Fri Feb 22 19:01:05 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:01:05 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Panel Meters, Time Meters, RF Ammeters Message-ID: <20020222.110413.-1809747.0.WC6W@juno.com> ******* Panel Meters ******** Alps Keiki SU-55 series 3A DC 3.4" x 2.4" rectangular NIB -- $20 100uA DC 3.4" x 2.4" rectangular NIB -- $20 15 V DC 3.4" x 2.4" rectangular NIB -- $20 See these three at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=alpsmtrs.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Analog Devices AD2004 4½ Digit LED 2 (1.9999) volt Panel Meter; NOS w/ data sheet $40 See on the right side at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=digmtr.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Calrad 1mA DC 1.7" square new -- $10 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=smallmtr.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Datel DM-3100L-7089 3½ Digit LED Panel meter; range & condition unknown. Used. $10 See at center bottom at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=digmtr.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t FLW Model 204B2, ER2 & model 204B-2D1,ER2,01 digital panel meters w/internal 120VAC power supply. 4 digit display plus a minus sign; 3½ or full 4 digits ?? Full scale unknown -- used $25 pair These are center top and on the left in the photo at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=digmtr.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Pair of GE DO-53 3½" Square meters: One is a 2A scale and movement The second is a 1 volt meter with a triple scale -- 25 mA, 250 mA, 500 mA for use with external shunts. There is a small crack in the right side of the bakelite front of this meter which could be filled in with black filler. The glass is fine. $30 for the pair. See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=gemtr.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t GE 50-283013MTMT1 3" thin edgewise panel meter 10V scale NOS in old box -- $15 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Edgemtr.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t GE DW-44 2" round 8A RF Ammeters w/ internal thermocouple. Used $15 ea See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=RFamtr.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t GE 8DW-46 2" round Decibel meter. 0 dB = 1.9 volts. NIOB (New in Old Box) $15 See on the left side at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=dbdbm.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t GE 50-240001AAAA1 2" round 100000 Hour Running Time meters 120VAC 60Hz NOS $20 ea See the large meters at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=timemtr.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Hewlett Packard (made by Simpson) 1120-0037 DBM meter -- -6 to +3 scale NOS $15 See on the right side at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=dbdbm.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t A.W. Haydon miniature 10000 Hour running time meter. Case is about 1/2" square (exclsive of mounting flange) by 1" deep. 115VAC 400Hz NOS $15 Hobbs 120 VAC 60Hz 99999.99 (Yes, displays down to 100th's!) Hour running time meter about 1" high by 2" wide rectangular with triangular shaped mounting ears. New $20 ea The small meters at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=timemtr.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Japanese meters -- unknown mfgrs 50uA DC 2.3 x 2.6 rectangular NIB -- $15 ea (2 available) MRA-38 500uA DC 1.7" square used -- $6 ea (2 available) MRA-38 500uA DC 1.7" square new -- $10 ea (2 available) 407-160 Red/Green half & half scale (100uA movement) less than 1" not square NIB -- $5 See these at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=smallmtr.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t KEW Electric dual scale 32V / 1.5A meter (1mA movement) 1.9 x 1.6 rectangular -- Used $5 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=smallmtr.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Lambda (made by GE) 40VDC 1.75" square new -- $20 Lambda (made by Honeywell) 10 A scale 1.75" square new -- $20 See these at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=smallmtr.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Motorola 52B892096 3½" Square Meter (movement actually made by Simpson). This is some kind of tuning (or deviation?) meter with a 12 pin connector (like a 9 pin miniature tube outline plus 3 extra pins in the center) wired to the meter. Used $15 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Meters3.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Simpson 1327 100uA 3½" square meter. Used $15 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Triplett.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Simpson 3" sq modern plastic 500-0-500ua movement w/ 50-0-50 scale -- Used $10 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Meters3.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Triplett 220G 50 Volts DC 2-3/4" rectangular -- Used $15 Triplett 327T 50 uA DC 3" Square meter -- I think these are unused. $15 ea (3 available) See the two above at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Triplett.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Triplett 321T 1 Amp DC 3.5" Round meter NIB -- $20 Triplett 327T 10 Volt DC 3" Square meter NIB -- $20 Westinghouse 3½" Square RX-35 series meters, used -- $10 each 30 mA 300 mA 15 VDC 20 VAC 35KV (2mA full scale on this last unit) See some of these at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Westingh.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Westinghouse 3½" Square RX-35 series meters, used -- $15 each 50 uA also marked with Motorola pn 52-B-86645 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Westingh.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t 50 uA movement with Ohm scale -- 500 ohms at left, 30 ohms at center, 0 at right Westinghouse 2" round 9A RF Ammeters w/ internal thermocouple. Used. $15 ea See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=RFamtr.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Westinghouse 3" round 50mA RF Ammeter w/ internal thermocouple. Used. $20 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Meters3.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Weston 301 3" square 3A RF Ammeter (requires external thermocouple that I don't have) Used. $7 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=RFamtr.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From gm3woj@talk21.com Fri Feb 22 22:48:47 2002 From: gm3woj@talk21.com (Chris Tran GM3WOJ) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:48:47 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] WTB B&W 852 or 195-2 Message-ID: <000b01c1bbf3$370e0fc0$9919fea9@chris.tranbtinternet.com> Hello all I want to buy a B&W 852 Pi-tank assembly, or similar 160 - 10m Pi coil assembly without the bandswitch e.g. B&W 195-2 I'll pay all shipping costs from the U.S.A. or wherever to Scotland of course. Thanks - 73 Chris GM3WOJ gm3woj@talk21.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From bjk@ihug.co.nz Sat Feb 23 08:35:56 2002 From: bjk@ihug.co.nz (Barry Kirkwood) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:35:56 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors References: <007601c1bba0$99749380$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <006f01c1bc45$1d742200$4cd8adcb@ihug.co.nz> I am open to correction on this (Eu members should be able to confirm) but I think the standard Phillips product resistors are metal film and very stable. 73 end Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD Signal Hill Homestay 66 Cory Road Palm Beach Waiheke Island 1240 NEW ZEALAND www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: carl seyersdahl To: amps Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors > > Does anyone here know where to buy metal oxide film (mof) resistors? Mouser > has dropped their line of Matsushita (now Panasonic) and I havent found > another source yet!!thanks for any info you have. I've been getting some > values from Rich M. but there are others I use now and then for other > projects!! thanks for any info I can get.. > carl / kz5ca > > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From kayser@sympatico.ca Sat Feb 23 12:42:34 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:42:34 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] FS B&W 850A In-Reply-To: <000b01c1bbf3$370e0fc0$9919fea9@chris.tranbtinternet.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223074035.027307c0@POP2.sympatico.ca> Greetings: I have a brand new shinny B&W 850A that will not likely get used around here. Is anyone interested? and what is it worth? Larry VA3LK -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 23 15:18:41 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:18:41 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors Message-ID: <200202231519.g1NFJdVw027969@contesting.com> > >I am open to correction on this (Eu members should be able to confirm) but I >think the standard Phillips product resistors are metal film and very >stable. Higher values of R may be carbon film. Values under 10‡ are typically metal film. 10‡ - 100k‡ are usually metal oxide film. Unless one performs a 1-hour overload test, "think" = guess. For some applications, intrinsic L is important. An example would be VHF/UHF parasitic suppressor service. For suppressor service, >15nH is probably not good engineering practice. Measuring intrinsic L is not easy. A 50W "non-inductive" Globar typically has c. 60nH - - - but so does 15mm copper tubing of the same length. cheers, Barry - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Sat Feb 23 15:56:02 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:56:02 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] switch wafer Message-ID: <009201c1bc82$986f83e0$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Does anyone here have , or know whereI can get, a switch wafer for the gla1000B input ckt.?? If I have to I'll take any defective amp or just the input board, or whatever it takes.!!! thanks to all who respond! carl / kz5ca -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w4ken@tampabay.rr.com Sat Feb 23 15:57:31 2002 From: w4ken@tampabay.rr.com (W4KEN) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:57:31 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Message-ID: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1BC58.E40BB140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? I have been told it is a real pin in the a** . I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on holding on to it for a long = time I was thinking about using/converting it to 3cx800a7's. 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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1BC58.E40BB140-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Sat Feb 23 16:06:46 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:06:46 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 In-Reply-To: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: "Devalue" a 78 by reducing its re-tube cost by $700?? One of the biggest reasons I've never wanted a 76 or 78 is the re-tube cost. My assumption is that even if I get one with good tubes, at some point in the future I'll be replacing tubes that are literally worth their weight in gold -- either through accident, neglect, or no fault of my own. And if I got one with soft tubes or even dead tubes, the replacement cost would just come that much sooner. Working from the classic "dollar a watt" figure and subtracting the cost for re-tubing from the purchase price, a 78 with dud jugs almost falls into the "pay somebody to haul it off" category. Maybe my perception is wrong, but I don't see any Alpha amp having the same cachet and collectible value of something like a Collins -- or, for that matter, even the same collectible value as some of the more infamous CB amps. So when collectible value goes away, all you're left with is the amp's value as a plug-and-play functional unit. At that point, a plywood box starts to look very attractive! For that matter, so does a G2DAF made from a 6076 -- I've been finding these on ebay for mostly under $50 each, and now have four of them sitting on the mantel reminding me to start building. Hmm, I wonder how four of these in parallel would work. Maybe I should dummy up a deck and see if it looks like something I should tease Riley with. Rich, got any 2/0 nichrome buss bar for suppressors? Jim N6OTQ "Dear Peter, I need a quote on a 7.5 KV, 12 A CCS plate transformer ...." -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 23 16:27:32 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:27:32 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Message-ID: <200202231628.g1NGSTVw029269@contesting.com> >has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? > >I have been told it is a real pin in the a** . > >I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on holding on to it for a long time > >I was thinking about using/converting it to 3cx800a7's. > € As I understand it, the larger anode cooler diameter limits it to two 3cx800s. The larger coolers also requires moving the sockets farther apart. Since the 78 has no tuned input, I would consider using 4cx800s in AB1. The screen current needed is so low that the anode supply could easily power a zener-string shunt regulator for the screen. However, 'tis best not to dissipate more than 1/3 of any zener's [25ºC-case] dissipation rating because the case is not going to be 25ºC in the real world. > >Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to buy 3 new 8874's > € If you have some kaput 8874, I would like to autopsy them and photograph the guts. Name your price. > >Thanks > > - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7fm@teleport.com Sat Feb 23 16:36:17 2002 From: k7fm@teleport.com (Lamb) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:36:17 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 References: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <008001c1bc88$37febca0$220c1ad8@com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C1BC45.29121220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello: I converted a 76PA (3 x 8874 tubes) to 2 x 3CX800 tubes. I think the = main reason I did it was just to see if I could do it. It really is not = difficult if you are not frightened with a project. I do not think it = devalues the amplifier, although I must say that I purchased a second = amp real cheap and have left the 8874 tubes in it. =20 The 78 is close to the 76PA for conversion purposes. I think you have = the hypersil transformer, which mine does not and I think your = transformer is a bit smaller. With the conversion, the middle socket is plugged and a black piece of = cardboard is taped to the underside of the top to cover the hole. New = silicon chimneys need to be made. The filament voltage needs to be = increased. I found two surplus transformers to use in series with the = existing filament voltage and stacked them along the right side = transformer corner. I build a bracket using existing holes, so thee was = no holes drilled. I used the two transformers because of size = limitations. Voltage was a bit high and dropped with a dropping = resistor. If you use a dropping resistor, each tube should have its own = resistor so the voltage does not soar when one tube is pulled. =20 Next, the startup delay must be increased from 2 minutes to 3 minutes. = This simply involves a capacitor in the timing circuit. =20 That is about it. Works fine. I have seen one mod that has an external = transformer and that looks stupid. On the second Alpha, I actually = moved my power transformer toward the center about 3/4" to give me more = clearance to add a new board for some sophisticated extra stuff. But, I = did not change tubes. The reason is that the "new" amp takes 3 minutes = to warm up, while the "old" amp takes 2 minutes. I prefer 2 minutes and = bought some used 8874 tibes which should last a lifetime. =20 That is about it. If nothing else, the conversion proves you are more = than an appliance operator worthy of an extra class license. =20 73, Colin K7FM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W4KEN=20 To: amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? =20 I have been told it is a real pin in the a** . =20 I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on holding on to it for a = long time =20 I was thinking about using/converting it to 3cx800a7's. =20 =20 Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to buy 3 new 8874's =20 any input would be helpful =20 Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C1BC45.29121220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello:
 
I converted a 76PA (3 x 8874 tubes) to = 2 x 3CX800=20 tubes.  I think the main reason I did it was just to see if I could = do=20 it.  It really is not difficult if you are not frightened with a=20 project.  I do not think it devalues the amplifier, although I must = say=20 that I purchased a second amp real cheap and have left the 8874 tubes in = it. 
 
The 78 is close to the 76PA for = conversion=20 purposes.  I think you have the hypersil transformer, which mine = does not=20 and I think your transformer is a bit smaller.
 
With the conversion, the middle socket = is plugged=20 and a black piece of cardboard is taped to the underside of the top to = cover the=20 hole.  New silicon chimneys need to be made.  The filament = voltage=20 needs to be increased.  I found two surplus transformers to use in = series=20 with the existing filament voltage and stacked them along the right side = transformer corner.  I build a bracket using existing holes, so = thee was no=20 holes drilled.  I used the two transformers because of size=20 limitations.  Voltage was a bit high and dropped with a dropping=20 resistor.  If you use a dropping resistor, each tube should have = its own=20 resistor so the voltage does not soar when one tube is pulled. =20
 
Next, the startup delay must be = increased from 2=20 minutes to 3 minutes.  This simply involves a capacitor in the = timing=20 circuit. 
 
That is about it.  Works = fine.  I have=20 seen one mod that has an external transformer and that looks = stupid.  On=20 the second Alpha, I actually moved my power transformer toward the = center about=20 3/4" to give me more clearance to add a new board for some sophisticated = extra=20 stuff.  But, I did not change tubes.  The reason is that the = "new" amp=20 takes 3 minutes to warm up, while the "old" amp takes 2 minutes.  I = prefer=20 2 minutes and bought some used 8874 tibes which should last a = lifetime. =20
 
That is about it.  If nothing = else, the=20 conversion proves you are more than an appliance operator worthy of an = extra=20 class license. 
 
73,  Colin =20 K7FM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 W4KEN=20
Sent: Saturday, February 23, = 2002 7:57=20 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78

has anyone done a tube conversion on = a 78=20 ?
 
I have been told it is a real pin in = the a**=20 .
 
I know it will devalue the amp but I = plan on=20 holding on to it for a long time
 
I was thinking about using/converting = it to=20 3cx800a7's.
 
 
Im thinking it would be cheaper to = convert it=20 that to buy 3 new 8874's
 
any input would be = helpful
 
Thanks
 
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C1BC45.29121220-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7fm@teleport.com Sat Feb 23 16:46:53 2002 From: k7fm@teleport.com (Lamb) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:46:53 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 References: <200202231628.g1NGSTVw029269@contesting.com> Message-ID: <008601c1bc89$b36581c0$220c1ad8@com> Rich said: "? As I understand it, the larger anode cooler diameter limits it to two 3cx800s. The larger coolers also requires moving the sockets farther apart. Since the 78 has no tuned input, I would consider using 4cx800s in AB1. " The 76 only has 2 tubes and that requires moving one socket. However, the 76PA and 78 uses 3 tubes and requires no socket moving. The middle socket is plugged and it works fine. Only 2 x 3CX800A7 tubes are necessary. The power output is limited by the power supply. Although the 78 has no tuned input, it has a resistive termination that absorbs about 2 to 3 db of the sxcitation. That, plus the clean imd specs of the 3CX800A7 tube mean that the amplifer is cleaner than most transceivers. Distortion does not increase when the amp is used. Before converting to the 4CX800 tubes, look at all of the safety features built into the Alpha 99. I assume that they would not put all that protection in if not necessary - which means that a simple tube swap to the 4CX800 tubes using a grounded cathode design and terminated grid and supply of regulated screen voltage in the 78 would be an incomplete conversion. As far as decrease in value, I think that would only be if the conversion was ugly. Sloppy workmanship devalues anything. 73, Colin K7FM -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From n4zr@contesting.com Sat Feb 23 16:59:31 2002 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:59:31 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 In-Reply-To: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020223115931.00a3e320@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 10:57 AM 2/23/02 -0500, W4KEN wrote: > has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? I have been told it is a >real pin in the a** . I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on >holding on to it for a long time I was thinking about using/converting it >to 3cx800a7's. Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to >buy 3 new 8874's any input would be helpful Why not consider a 3CX1200 for conversions like this? I believe the cost would be less, only one socket, only one chimney, instant-on and a robust grid. Takes more driving power, I know. Is the anode cooler maybe too large to fit in the tube compartment? Other issues? 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the World HF Contest Station Database at www.pvrc.org -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6ru@bak.rr.com Sat Feb 23 17:25:53 2002 From: w6ru@bak.rr.com (Terry Gaiser) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:25:53 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 References: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> <008001c1bc88$37febca0$220c1ad8@com> Message-ID: <003901c1bc8f$2552e7a0$6701a8c0@p4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1BC4C.16F1B440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the pair of 3CX800A7 conversion you cannot use the same sockets in a = 78 as you use in a 76PA ... with the broadband output networks the front = tube socket location will not allow enough clearance for the tube anode = cooler. You have to remove the tube chassis and cut out the top of it = and replace it with a new one with the two tube sockets properly spaced. = The original location of the rear tube socket works FB. Terry W6RU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lamb=20 To: amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Hello: I converted a 76PA (3 x 8874 tubes) to 2 x 3CX800 tubes. I think the = main reason I did it was just to see if I could do it. It really is not = difficult if you are not frightened with a project. I do not think it = devalues the amplifier, although I must say that I purchased a second = amp real cheap and have left the 8874 tubes in it. =20 The 78 is close to the 76PA for conversion purposes. I think you have = the hypersil transformer, which mine does not and I think your = transformer is a bit smaller. With the conversion, the middle socket is plugged and a black piece of = cardboard is taped to the underside of the top to cover the hole. New = silicon chimneys need to be made. The filament voltage needs to be = increased. I found two surplus transformers to use in series with the = existing filament voltage and stacked them along the right side = transformer corner. I build a bracket using existing holes, so thee was = no holes drilled. I used the two transformers because of size = limitations. Voltage was a bit high and dropped with a dropping = resistor. If you use a dropping resistor, each tube should have its own = resistor so the voltage does not soar when one tube is pulled. =20 Next, the startup delay must be increased from 2 minutes to 3 minutes. = This simply involves a capacitor in the timing circuit. =20 That is about it. Works fine. I have seen one mod that has an = external transformer and that looks stupid. On the second Alpha, I = actually moved my power transformer toward the center about 3/4" to give = me more clearance to add a new board for some sophisticated extra stuff. = But, I did not change tubes. The reason is that the "new" amp takes 3 = minutes to warm up, while the "old" amp takes 2 minutes. I prefer 2 = minutes and bought some used 8874 tibes which should last a lifetime. =20 That is about it. If nothing else, the conversion proves you are more = than an appliance operator worthy of an extra class license. =20 73, Colin K7FM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W4KEN=20 To: amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? I have been told it is a real pin in the a** . I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on holding on to it for a = long time I was thinking about using/converting it to 3cx800a7's. Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to buy 3 new = 8874's any input would be helpful Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1BC4C.16F1B440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the pair of 3CX800A7 conversion you = cannot use=20 the same sockets in a 78 as you use in a 76PA ... with the broadband=20 output networks the front tube socket location will not = allow enough clearance for the tube anode cooler. = You have to=20 remove the tube chassis and cut out the top of it and replace it with a = new one=20 with the two tube sockets properly spaced. The original location of the = rear=20 tube socket works FB.
 
Terry W6RU
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lamb
Sent: Saturday, February 23, = 2002 8:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha = 78

Hello:
 
I converted a 76PA (3 x 8874 tubes) = to 2 x 3CX800=20 tubes.  I think the main reason I did it was just to see if I = could do=20 it.  It really is not difficult if you are not frightened with a=20 project.  I do not think it devalues the amplifier, although I = must say=20 that I purchased a second amp real cheap and have left the 8874 tubes = in=20 it. 
 
The 78 is close to the 76PA for = conversion=20 purposes.  I think you have the hypersil transformer, which mine = does not=20 and I think your transformer is a bit smaller.
 
With the conversion, the middle = socket is plugged=20 and a black piece of cardboard is taped to the underside of the top to = cover=20 the hole.  New silicon chimneys need to be made.  The = filament=20 voltage needs to be increased.  I found two surplus transformers = to use=20 in series with the existing filament voltage and stacked them along = the right=20 side transformer corner.  I build a bracket using existing holes, = so thee=20 was no holes drilled.  I used the two transformers because of = size=20 limitations.  Voltage was a bit high and dropped with a dropping=20 resistor.  If you use a dropping resistor, each tube should have = its own=20 resistor so the voltage does not soar when one tube is pulled. =20
 
Next, the startup delay must be = increased from 2=20 minutes to 3 minutes.  This simply involves a capacitor in the = timing=20 circuit. 
 
That is about it.  Works = fine.  I have=20 seen one mod that has an external transformer and that looks = stupid.  On=20 the second Alpha, I actually moved my power transformer toward the = center=20 about 3/4" to give me more clearance to add a new board for some = sophisticated=20 extra stuff.  But, I did not change tubes.  The reason is = that the=20 "new" amp takes 3 minutes to warm up, while the "old" amp takes 2=20 minutes.  I prefer 2 minutes and bought some used 8874 tibes = which should=20 last a lifetime. 
 
That is about it.  If nothing = else, the=20 conversion proves you are more than an appliance operator worthy of an = extra=20 class license. 
 
73,  Colin =20 K7FM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 W4KEN=20
Sent: Saturday, February 23, = 2002 7:57=20 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha = 78

has anyone done a tube conversion = on a 78=20 ?
 
I have been told it is a real pin = in the a**=20 .
 
I know it will devalue the amp but = I plan on=20 holding on to it for a long time
 
I was thinking about = using/converting it to=20 3cx800a7's.
 
 
Im thinking it would be cheaper to = convert it=20 that to buy 3 new 8874's
 
any input would be = helpful
 
Thanks
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1BC4C.16F1B440-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6ru@bak.rr.com Sat Feb 23 17:49:53 2002 From: w6ru@bak.rr.com (Terry Gaiser) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:49:53 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Conversion Message-ID: <007a01c1bc92$7f9cbcb0$6701a8c0@p4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C1BC4F.714C2B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those interested I have posted some pics of a 3CX800A7 conversion to = a Alpha 374A (same as 78). http://members.aol.com/w6ru/374a.jpg Terry W6RU ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C1BC4F.714C2B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those interested I have posted some = pics of a=20 3CX800A7 conversion to a Alpha 374A (same as 78).
 
http://members.aol.com/w6ru= /374a.jpg
 
Terry W6RU
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C1BC4F.714C2B20-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6frmarv@dslextreme.com Sat Feb 23 17:55:13 2002 From: w6frmarv@dslextreme.com (Marv Gonsior) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:55:13 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Henry 2K-4 FS Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020223093725.00a099a0@mail.dslextreme.com> Gentlemen, I have a Henry 2K-4, a floor console amplifier, using a pair of 3-500Zs, 3 to 30 MHz, that has low hours, full output and just back from Henry Radio. It's from a non-smoking environment, comes with a LPF attached and the manual. Henry Radio will package it for shipment at a cost of $75.00 or it is a pickup in LaHabra, CA 90631. .JPGs are available on request. $725.00. 73, Marv, W6FR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From WDDyckman@aol.com Sat Feb 23 19:31:03 2002 From: WDDyckman@aol.com (WDDyckman@aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:31:03 EST Subject: [AMPS] Source of Power Carbon Resistors Needed... Message-ID: <48.70ceab3.29a947f7@aol.com> Greetings, I am on the process of a number of projects where I need non-inductive low and high value resistors in the 1 to 5 Watt range. I would appreciate learning of a good commercial source of these items that may still be commercially by value, tol. and pwr. dissipation. Many thanks to the community and best regards, - Warren, (WA2CAC) -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From WDDyckman@aol.com Sat Feb 23 19:47:39 2002 From: WDDyckman@aol.com (WDDyckman@aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:47:39 EST Subject: [AMPS] Source of Power Carbon Resistors Needed... Message-ID: Greetings, I am on the process of a number of projects where I need non-inductive low and high value resistors in the 1 to 5 Watt range. I would appreciate learning of a good commercial source of these items that may still be commercially available by value, tol. and pwr. dissipation. Many thanks to the community and best regards, - Warren, (WA2CAC) -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 23 19:57:11 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:57:11 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Message-ID: <200202231958.g1NJw7Vw032538@contesting.com> > >Rich said: > >"? As I understand it, the larger anode cooler diameter limits it to two >3cx800s. The larger coolers also requires moving the sockets farther >apart. Since the 78 has no tuned input, I would consider using 4cx800s >in AB1. " > >The 76 only has 2 tubes and that requires moving one socket. However, the >76PA and 78 uses 3 tubes and requires no socket moving. € Thanks for the heads up. > The middle socket >is plugged and it works fine. Only 2 x 3CX800A7 tubes are necessary. The >power output is limited by the power supply. > >Although the 78 has no tuned input, it has a resistive termination that >absorbs about 2 to 3 db of the sxcitation. That, plus the clean imd specs >of the 3CX800A7 tube mean that the amplifer is cleaner than most >transceivers. Distortion does not increase when the amp is used. > € The trouble with no tuned input in g-g is that solid state radios like low SWR loads. >Before converting to the 4CX800 tubes, look at all of the safety features >built into the Alpha 99. I assume that they would not put all that >protection in if not necessary - which means that a simple tube swap to the >4CX800 tubes using a grounded cathode design and terminated grid and supply >of regulated screen voltage in the 78 would be an incomplete conversion. > >As far as decrease in value, I think that would only be if the conversion >was ugly. Sloppy workmanship devalues anything. > € Amen, Colin. Done right, such a conversion would be a valuable circuit improvement. - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sat Feb 23 19:57:12 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:57:12 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Message-ID: <200202231958.g1NJw9Vw032542@contesting.com> > >At 10:57 AM 2/23/02 -0500, W4KEN wrote: >> has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? I have been told it is a >>real pin in the a** . I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on >>holding on to it for a long time I was thinking about using/converting it >>to 3cx800a7's. Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to >>buy 3 new 8874's any input would be helpful > >Why not consider a 3CX1200 for conversions like this? € The 3cx1200Z7 is a less squirrely version since it 1/10 as much feedback C.. It is also shorter. >... cheers, Pete - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 23:01:36 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:01:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] Heathkit HA-10 Warrior Parts Message-ID: <20020223230136.38843.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> After getting so many good ideas on how to update the Warrior to a capacitor input power supply I have decided to convert my other Warrior as well. It is in like new condition and has seen very little use, so why not!! Is the orginial Plate transformer and swinging choke worth anything to anybody? The transformer is 3400 volts CT and powered up four 811A tubes. 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Ian White, G3SEK" References: <200202231519.g1NFJdVw027969@contesting.com> Message-ID: Rich wrote: > > > >> >>I am open to correction on this (Eu members should be able to confirm) but I >>think the standard Phillips product resistors are metal film and very >>stable. > >Higher values of R may be carbon film. Values under 10‡ are typically >metal film. In Europe, small resistors are available in both carbon film (cheaper, higher tolerance) and metal film (a little more expensive but also closer tolerance). Medium power (1-3W) are almost exclusively metal film, and in higher power ratings it's mostly conventional wirewound. The carbon film and metal film resistors up to 3W are available in all values from 1 ohm to 1M. The same applies for other materials used in "film" resistors, for example cermet or tantalum nitride but often not specified. >10‡ - 100k‡ are usually metal oxide film. > The only "power oxide" resistors commonly available over here seem to be the 5W/7W square type. Some makers supply these as wirewound up to 150 ohms, and "power oxide" for higher values. > Unless one performs a 1-hour overload test, "think" = guess. > Resistors are more commonly rated for stability at their maximum power, not above it. FWIW I've cooked metal film resistors up to 10x normal - glowing bright red - for several minutes, and they've returned to within a few percent of their original resistance afterwards. Carbon film resistors increase dramatically under this kind of gross overload because the carbon literally burns off. > For some applications, intrinsic L is important. An example would be >VHF/UHF parasitic suppressor service. For suppressor service, >15nH is >probably not good engineering practice. Measuring intrinsic L is not >easy. On the other hand you can very easily get a rough estimate. Scrape the paint off and you generally find a spiral of a few turns. Count the turns and measure the diameter and length, and then plug the numbers into the usual formula for calculating inductance. Obviously small-diameter resistors with a small number of turns are better, because the inductance depends on the square of both those values. The European 1W MF resistors are particularly small. If the intrinsic L is still too high, you can parallel several resistors of a higher value (but scrape the paint off those too, because the spiral may be different). I've used 10 * 1K 1W in parallel for a grid load at 144MHz with no difficulty, and 4 * 330 ohm 2W for a parasitic suppressor. Obviously it's also important to use layouts that let you solder close up to the resistor body with little or no wire leads showing. The 20W and 50W power film resistors in TO-220 packages are also good for RF, but they have to be mounted on a heatsink (unmounted power rating is very low indeed) and this involves a few pF of capacitance to ground for each package. Even so, attenuators and dummy loads can be built for as high as 144MHz with low SWR if you keep the wire leads very short. The main problem is that the TO-220 resistors are only available in a limited range of values, so maybe you have to juggle the values and use a combination of TO-220 resistors and bundles of wire-ended 1W and 2W types. -- 73 from Ian G3SEK Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book' 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB) http://www.ifwtech.com/g3sek -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Sun Feb 24 01:28:23 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:28:23 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Big Fans Message-ID: <20020223.180859.-1924713.1.WC6W@juno.com> ILG Electric Ventilation 17-18-022A encased motor with 181-009-EA fan 115/230 VAC 1.6A/.8A 50/60Hz 3000 RPM 4½" round intake, 3½" x 4-3/4" rectangular output flange, weighs 25 lbs. used -- $30 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=ilgfan.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Kooltronic Model DF1F016N Dual fan style 230 VAC 1.2A 60Hz 3000 RPM 3½" round intakes, 2.5" x 5" rectangular output flanges, 16" long by about 7" diameter overall, weigh 15 lbs. These look like NOS but, they are a mite dusty from storage -- $40 ea (3 available) See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=koolfan.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via: Marv_E_Ads@Juno.com * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Sun Feb 24 02:08:33 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:08:33 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: VHF Power amp Message-ID: <20020223.180859.-1924713.2.WC6W@juno.com> Late '70's vintage likely Military, probably airborne, VHF power amplifier assembly. It consists of 7 almost identical amplifier assemblies clustered around a central housing that has splitter combiner networks which are plugged onto each end with a bunch of SMB connectors. There are TNC's for the main in's & outs. I think it was originally configured as one amp, driving two, driving four boards. The complete assembly measures 7.5" x 5" x 3.5" overall -- the individual RF amp boards are 4.5" by 2". The outer covers are mostly missing. Each amplifier is a push pull design -- they appear to be 50 ohm in & out impedance with either PT6747 or PT6702 TRW transistors. I would guess this unit operates on 28VDC. I don't know what frequency range it covers nor the power level though, just guessing, it probably puts out at least 100W. And there is no manufacturer name -- probably went with the outer cover. Six of the stages are marked OK and one, the input stage I think, is marked NO Good. The individual amps have integral heat sink plates so, they could be removed from the assembly and used separately. Think of it as 7 amplifier boards @ $10 ea -- Bare PCB's would cost as much! -- $70 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=RFamp1.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t --- and --- http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=RFamp2.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Sun Feb 24 01:25:05 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:25:05 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Tubes & Sockets Message-ID: <20020223.180859.-1924713.0.WC6W@juno.com> ************ POWER TUBES ************** 7034/4X150A shiny pulls $10 ea --or-- take the last 5 for $40 They are the ones on the right marked with an "A" at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=tubes.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t Eimac 100T -- Filament open, for looks only -- $5 RCA UV851 -- Filament lights up OK. 1930's vintage. It is 18" overall by about 6" diameter at the widest. -- $100 Photo on display at: http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=uv851.j pg&.src=bc&.view=t&.hires=t ----- 50 Nuvistors ------- Actually there are more like 60-70 parts in the box. Most look like pulls, some are in boxes and some may be new. The collection includes: 6CW4 6DS4 6DV4 7586 7595 8393 Asking $50 for all of them --- Planar Tubes (used)--- See the box of them at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=tubes.jpg&.src =ph&.view=t&.hires=t 2C39A -- $10 ea or 5 for $40 322 -- $10 7289 (3CX100A5) -- $15 ea or 5 for $60 7698 -- $10 ea 7843 -- $5 ea Y602B -- $10 Y2177 -- $10 ea EE144 -- $10 ---- Lighthouse tubes ---- 2C46 pull $3 ---- Pencil tubes ------ 6442 pull $5 ea 7554 pull $5 ----- and the rest ----- 6DQ6B RCA likely NIB + GE 6DQ6B pull -- $10 both 4637 (RCA) pull $30 5654 (6AK5) pulls $2 ea 6481 new $50 ************* TUBE SOCKETS and ACCESSORIES ************** Eimac SK-1500A mounted to a 17" square aluminum panel. $200 May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=sk1500.jpg&.sr c=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Johnson 248 / RCA UT-106 & Other 7 Pin Septar (for 8877, 829, 8295, PL-172 etc) used $10ea Eimac HR-3 plate disspators (.072 hole) $2ea Larger fin version of above (by Bud?) $3ea Plate dissipators from 3-400Z's (I think...) 1/8" hole -- $3ea Erie Chemflex SO-427-3 Teflon insulated 7 pin miniature tube sockets including saddle w/ lugs, NOS -- $5 ea All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From tore.sandstrom@comtech-data.se Sun Feb 24 07:54:34 2002 From: tore.sandstrom@comtech-data.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tore_Sandstr=F6m?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:54:34 +0100 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 conversion Message-ID: <016901c1bd08$81d39640$23d0c6c2@comtechdata.se> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0166_01C1BD10.E1A07400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! Why dont try russian tubes for conversion of Alpa 78? Guess 3xGU40b would be a nice (and chep) replacement. One disadvace is that they need 12,6 VAC in filament. Tore SM7CBS ------=_NextPart_000_0166_01C1BD10.E1A07400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!
Why dont try russian tubes for = conversion of Alpa=20 78?
Guess 3xGU40b would be a nice (and = chep)=20 replacement.
One disadvace is that they need 12,6 = VAC in=20 filament.
Tore SM7CBS
------=_NextPart_000_0166_01C1BD10.E1A07400-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W8JI@contesting.com Sun Feb 24 16:53:54 2002 From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:53:54 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Heathkit HA-10 Warrior Parts In-Reply-To: <20020223230136.38843.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C78D452.26120.9D84BC@localhost> > Is the orginial Plate transformer and swinging choke > worth anything to anybody? The transformer is 3400 > volts CT and powered up four 811A tubes. You can electrically remove the choke and use the same transformer for 572's. I would not sell the choke or change the transformer, because the "return" isn't worth the potential losses. The current 572B's from China, like the Svetlana 572B's, are very very marginal on voltage breakdown. Using too much HV with them is a bad idea, the 2300 volts or so you would get from the original transformer with the choke disabled would be better both for amplifier tank components (which were selected for 1500 volts HV plus a small safety factor) and tube reliablity. 73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From W8JI@contesting.com Sun Feb 24 16:53:54 2002 From: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:53:54 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors In-Reply-To: References: <200202231519.g1NFJdVw027969@contesting.com> Message-ID: <3C78D452.11858.9D842D@localhost> In Europe, small resistors are available in both carbon film (cheaper, > higher tolerance) and metal film (a little more expensive but also > closer tolerance). Medium power (1-3W) are almost exclusively metal > film, and in higher power ratings it's mostly conventional wirewound. > > The carbon film and metal film resistors up to 3W are available in all > values from 1 ohm to 1M. The same applies for other materials used in > "film" resistors, for example cermet or tantalum nitride but often not > specified. World-wide, there are now metal composition resistors available. They are off-the-shelf, inexpensive, temperature and life stable, handle very high overloads, and have virtually zero inductance. I am evaluating samples now, and will beta test them in critical applications and report the results. 73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Sun Feb 24 18:26:44 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:26:44 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] mof resistors Message-ID: <200202241827.g1OIRcVw026185@contesting.com> > > > In Europe, small resistors are available in both carbon film (cheaper, >> higher tolerance) and metal film (a little more expensive but also >> closer tolerance). Medium power (1-3W) are almost exclusively metal >> film, and in higher power ratings it's mostly conventional wirewound. >> >> The carbon film and metal film resistors up to 3W are available in all >> values from 1 ohm to 1M. The same applies for other materials used in >> "film" resistors, for example cermet or tantalum nitride but often not >> specified. > >World-wide, there are now metal composition resistors available. > >They are off-the-shelf, inexpensive, temperature and life stable, >handle very high overloads, and have virtually zero inductance. € Every conductor in the known universe has inductance. Even superconductors have inductance. A typical 3w, MO or MOF resistor has >10nH. Terman covers this subject in his radio engineering book. Since L varies logarithmicly with conductor width, a foot of #14 wire has surprisingly [to me] little more L than a foot of 2" strap. € For the curious, ground the grid of an 811A or 572B with a short piece of wide copper strap. Measure the grid resonance with a dipmeter. Remove the strap and replace it with a 50 - 200pF cap. Re-measure the grid's resonant freq. >I am >evaluating samples now, and will beta test them in critical >applications and report the results. > € Good - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From n8de@thepoint.net Sun Feb 24 23:41:58 2002 From: n8de@thepoint.net (Don Havlicek) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:41:58 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Source of Power Carbon Resistors Needed... References: <48.70ceab3.29a947f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C797A46.65A8822B@thepoint.net> Warren, You must have missed my previous post [couple weeks ago]. I bought an estate .. has LOTS of old, carbon composition resistors, though I haven't inventoried them yet. I'm going to post to the reflector when I have that done. Don N8DE WDDyckman@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings, > > I am on the process of a number of projects where I need non-inductive low > and high value resistors in the 1 to 5 Watt range. > > I would appreciate learning of a good commercial source of these items that > may still be commercially by value, tol. and pwr. dissipation. > > Many thanks to the community and best regards, > - Warren, (WA2CAC) > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Mon Feb 25 02:55:26 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:55:26 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Roller Coils Message-ID: <20020224.185654.-1885935.2.WC6W@juno.com> ***** Roller Coils ****** All three coils are shown at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=Rollers.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t B&W 3853 72 uH NOS but, a mite tarnished from age. $60 Johnson 229-202 18uH used good, $50 La Pointe L-0201 406-1 (identical to a Johnson 229-201) 10 uH. used good, $30 All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Mon Feb 25 02:56:24 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:56:24 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: B&W Air-Dux coils Message-ID: <20020224.185654.-1885935.3.WC6W@juno.com> ***** B&W Air Dux coils ***** These are all shiny NOS, 10" lengths, unless noted otherwise Many are in the photo at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=bwcoils.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t #2408T 3" dia, 8TPI, #14 wire -- $30 #2008-31 2.5"dia x 4" long , 8TPI, #14 wire with 2 turn #14 link at center. NIB $25 #1604T 2" dia, 4TPI, #12 wire, slight tarnish $20 #1208T 1.5" dia, 8TPI, #16 wire, slight tarnish $20 #1216T 1.5" dia, 16TPI, #20 wire, somewhat tarnished $20 #1006T 1.25" dia, 6TPI, #14 wire, somewhat tarnished $15 plus a somewhat tarnished NOS partial length #1008T 1.25" dia, 8 TPI, #16 wire, 8" long -- $12 and a couple of Illumintronic Engineering parts 375 7367-P1 -- 1.5" dia.x 5.75" winding w/ indented turns, 14 TPI, #17, 7" overall including plastic center support, un-used somewhat tarnished $25 980-0121-000 -- 2.5" dia. x 7.5" winding w/ indented turns, 8 TPI, #14, 9.5" overall including plastic center support, used somewhat tarnished but, no turns soldered $30 All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wc6w@juno.com Mon Feb 25 02:51:45 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:51:45 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] FS: Air variable caps Message-ID: <20020224.185654.-1885935.0.WC6W@juno.com> *********** Air Variable Capacitors ******** Cardwell enclosed 7 section variable capacitor assembly for/from some receiver? -- The sections measure: 210, 210, 105, 105, 105, 100 & 75 pF. The unit is about 12" long and 3" square with a right angle drive mounted in the center and a 30 turn scale. This looks to be NOS (nothing ever soldered to...) but, it is a mite tarnished on the outside from being stored forever. There is also a (Mil?) number on the unit: SC3188A. $30 See at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=cardwell.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t Johnson T9-5 minature vertical PC mount trimmers 1.9-15.7 pF, Silver Plated machined plates -- NOS 2/$1 G.I. Corp 70 pF, .080" air spacing, about 3.5"x3.5"x3" overall, ¼" shaft $2ea (2 available) National Type DX 500pF variable capacitors, approx. 3" X 3" x 3" overall fairly good condition. $10 ea. May be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=National.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Remler "scissors" variables. Type 630 350pF $25 Type 631 500pF $25 General Instrument type NNC153 3 Section large receiving style capacitor 13-420 pF per section, $15 4 Section capacitor 20-550 pF section large receiving style capacitor, $25 See the previous two units at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=loadcaps.jpg&. src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t See the next four units at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=aircaps.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Johnson 154-1, 12-244pF, .05" air gap, about 3" x 3" x 3" overall. Rear shaft has been cut flush with bushing and the rear mounting tab has been shortened a mite. Otherwise, excellent condition, $25. Johnson 154-34-3, 20-400pF, looks like .03" air gap, about 3" x 3" x 3" overall not including 1/4" shaft which is about 2-1/2" long. Excellent condition, $25. Johnson 500E20 (modern equivalent 154-3), 500pF/2KV, looks like .05" air gap, about 3" x 3" x 4.5" overall not including 1/4" shaft which is about 1-1/2" long. Good condition except the rear mounting tab has been removed and it looks like a couple of the plates arced at one time and were subsequently filed down a mite. $25. Similar to the part above but, NOT a Johnson, another 500pF/2KV, looks like .05" air gap, about 3" x 3" x 4.5" overall not including 1/4" shaft which is about 1-1/2" long. Good condition except the front mounting tab has been removed. $25. See the previous four units at: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/marv_email/vwp?.dir=/Jpegs&.dnm=aircaps.jpg&.s rc=ph&.view=t&.hires=t Hammarlund SM-50-X, 7.5-50pF, .064 air gap, Just under 2" x 2" x 2" overall not including 1/4" shaft. Good condition. $10. National SEU-15, 15pF 270 degree rotation, straight line frequency, variable cap. Shiny and new in beaten-up old box (SNIBOB) $25. All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via return e-post * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From elmore@nssl.noaa.gov Mon Feb 25 04:20:01 2002 From: elmore@nssl.noaa.gov (Kim Elmore) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:20:01 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Weird matching problem... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020224160415.00a80338@mail.telepath.com> I have an Ameritron AL-80A that I've modified for a higher B+ voltage (about 3600 VDC at 400 mA) and it generally works quite well. I've also added new, much quieter, brushless DC fan which now works works fine after some shielding between it and the RF deck, etc. However, I'd noticed that the amp never loaded up well on 80 and 160 m after the mod: it was as if there weren't enough tune or load capacitance. My perception was right on, because the original B+ was about 2700 VDC at 400 mA, so (according to Eimac's data sheet) the output impedance was around 3500 ohms. At 3600 VDC, it's closer to 5000 ohms. This changes things quite a bit for the low bands. To maintain the same loaded Q under these new conditions, the pi part of the output network (it's a pi-L) needs more inductance and less capacitance for the same output impedance (the ideal inductance needed for the L isn't as critical, though it changes slightly). Without increasing the inductance, the capacitance needed for resonance rises significantly, as does the loaded Q. I found it easy enough to guesstimate how much to move the taps on 40 and 80 m, but 160 m isn't as straightforward, because there are no taps to move: it's all there is. So, I added a small inductance -- about 10 uH, or 13 turns of an AirDux 1609A I had on hand. There isn't enough room to add this coil to the end of the existing inductor, extending it's length, so I placed it perpendicular to the 160 m coil. This also places it perpendicular to the 10-15-20 m coil a bit more than an inch from the end. Afterwards, 40, 80 and 160 m all tune much better and efficiency seems to be up. 20 and 15 m are as good as ever, but 10 m is now wacky. Initially, everything on 10 m tunes up fine but, after about 15 s, the output begins to drop. The output continues to drop and the plate current rises. I know it sounds nuts, but overall, the match goes to pot, and I am completely unable to tune the output! No combination results in a dip in plate current or significant output. Obviously, plate dissipation rapidly goes through the roof. I'd guess that something is getting hot. It's not the parasitic suppressor, since the resistor looks fine, and is without any discoloration. I haven't screwed up the nerve to quickly rip the cover off, throw a short across the B+ supply, and go touching everything to find the suspected hot item, and I haven't operated the amp with the cover removed. Upon inspection, I see no visual evidence of anything hot: no discoloration and no melted solder. I haven't monitored it closely, but the input impedance appears to remain normal. Is the problem in the proximity of the new coil to the 10 m coil? Since I know how much inductance is needed, I can make this onto a powdered iron-core toroid, which can be placed well out of the way if it would help. All was fine on 10 m before I added this last coil. What's up? I'm open to any ideas as to what this is and how I might remedy the problem. All the best, Kim Elmore, N5OP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From 2@mail.vcnet.com Mon Feb 25 04:53:04 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:53:04 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Weird matching problem... Message-ID: <200202250453.g1P4rvVw005235@contesting.com> > >I have an Ameritron AL-80A that I've modified for a higher B+ voltage >(about 3600 VDC at 400 mA) and it generally works quite well. I've also >added new, much quieter, brushless DC fan which now works works fine after >some shielding between it and the RF deck, etc. However, I'd noticed that >the amp never loaded up well on 80 and 160 m after the mod: it was as if >there weren't enough tune or load capacitance. My perception was right on, >because the original B+ was about 2700 VDC at 400 mA, so (according to >Eimac's data sheet) the output impedance was around 3500 ohms. At 3600 >VDC, it's closer to 5000 ohms. This changes things quite a bit for the low >bands. > To maintain the same loaded Q under these new conditions, the pi part of >the output network (it's a pi-L) needs more inductance and less capacitance >for the same output impedance (the ideal inductance needed for the L isn't >as critical, though it changes slightly). Without increasing the >inductance, the capacitance needed for resonance rises significantly, as >does the loaded Q. > I found it easy enough to guesstimate how much to move the taps on 40 and >80 m, but 160 m isn't as straightforward, because there are no taps to >move: it's all there is. So, I added a small inductance -- about 10 uH, >or 13 turns of an AirDux 1609A I had on hand. There isn't enough room to >add this coil to the end of the existing inductor, extending it's length, >so I placed it perpendicular to the 160 m coil. This also places it >perpendicular to the 10-15-20 m coil a bit more than an inch from the end. >Afterwards, 40, 80 and 160 m all tune much better and efficiency seems to >be up. 20 and 15 m are as good as ever, but 10 m is now wacky. € Do you have forced air cooling on the tank inductors? > Initially, everything on 10 m tunes up fine but, after about 15 s, the >output begins to drop. The output continues to drop and the plate current >rises. I know it sounds nuts, but overall, the match goes to pot, and I am >completely unable to tune the output! No combination results in a dip in >plate current or significant output. € A Pi-network tank behaves more like two L-networks in series than like a L/C parallel resonant tank. A Pi-network is tuned for max out with max rated drive. There is little dip at this point. >Obviously, plate dissipation rapidly >goes through the roof. > I'd guess that something is getting hot. It's not the parasitic >suppressor, since the resistor looks fine, and is without any >discoloration. I haven't screwed up the nerve to quickly rip the cover off, >throw a short across the B+ supply, and go touching everything to find the >suspected hot item, € There is no DC on the tank. Stand on a matt, remove drive, and you should survive. >... - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Mon Feb 25 08:53:08 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:53:08 -0000 Subject: [AMPS] Parallel Network Message-ID: Sorry for delayed reply - been travelling, and going to be in Stcokholm quite a lot in the next two months, so reading e mails intermittently. The parallel tuned circuit tuner is very flexible: however, if the working Q is too high, the ususal heating problems come in. Depending on how the antenna impedance varies with frequency, it can have a lower bandwidth before retuning than an L network: the opposite can also occur. Using a big link means a smaller link tuning cap and more volts, so the vacuum variable could be used, but I concur with the advice about a large air variable. I use parallel tuned circuits with link coupling for 80 and 30 metres: 40m uses a balun driving a balanced L as it gives wider bandwidth. I use a 500pF variable on 30 with 680pF in shunt, and 1000pF variable on 80 with 1000pF in shunt. This is for feeding an 80 m dipole at 60 feet, fed with open wire line. BTW, I mean by 'open wire line', two 14AWG hard drawn copper wires separated 2.5 inches by ceramic insulators every 3 feet. 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 16:33:36 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:33:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] SB-220 Junker Value?? Message-ID: <20020225163337.22153.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> Found in an old building that is for rent an SB-220 complete with two tubes (condition??)but in a pile of parts. Looks ok, no physical damage, stupid mods or burned up components. Someone just tore it all apart for a reason I just can't seem to figure out. Thought I'd buy it but not sure what is a fair price for it. Sure is some weird people out there!! This amp was in a building that use to house an electrcal motor repair shop with a side line CB Shop. I was looking for a transformer when I stumbled on this amp. Thanks, Bill Smith KO4NR ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 17:46:30 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:46:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] Copper Finger Stock Supplier Message-ID: <20020225174630.88499.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> I'm builidng up some sockets for the Russian GI7B Tubes and need a few pieces of finger stok. Is there a supplier out there that does not require you to buy a truck load to get a few pieces? 73, Bill Smith KO4NR ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wd7s@att.net Mon Feb 25 18:31:49 2002 From: wd7s@att.net (PAUL HEWITT) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:31:49 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Copper Finger Stock Supplier In-Reply-To: <20020225174630.88499.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good selection at Surplus Sales of Nebraska and a limited amount at Fair Radio. Paul PAUL HEWITT WD7S PRODUCTIONS QRO HOMEBREW COMPONENTS http://wd7s.home.att.net I'm builidng up some sockets for the Russian GI7B Tubes and need a few pieces of finger stok. Is there a supplier out there that does not require you to buy a truck load to get a few pieces? 73, Bill Smith KO4NR ===== -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From ad5gb@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 19:10:23 2002 From: ad5gb@yahoo.com (Randall DuCharme) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:10:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] Copper Finger Stock Supplier In-Reply-To: <20020225174630.88499.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020225191023.45771.qmail@web20906.mail.yahoo.com> Fair Radio has some. http://www.fairradio.com/0finger.htm --- Bill Smith wrote: > > I'm builidng up some sockets for the Russian GI7B > Tubes and need a few pieces of finger stok. Is > there > a supplier out there that does not require you to > buy > a truck load to get a few pieces? > 73, > Bill Smith KO4NR > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: > http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: > amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bobs@isquare.com Mon Feb 25 20:41:32 2002 From: bobs@isquare.com (Bob Sullivan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Alpha 77 Troubleshooting help Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225152306.00f90b30@mail.bscnet.com> I'm trying to get an A77 (PA77) working ... need some advice. The previous owner had applied 200w plus to input. After replacing the soft start resistors which cooked and one of the HV RFC's (L9) which vaporized, I applied power and the amplifier made good power. Then I noticed there was plate current with no input. I discovered that the bias switch transistors Q4, Q5 were shorted and D17, D18 were open. Replaced them and bias was now normal and switched with input RF. To replace these components I had to pretty much remove the "T/R" PC board. Then, after reassembly, although bias is correct, no power out! Upon applying drive, grid current swings very high as I turn thru resonance and the amp trips on excessive grid current even with a few watts drive. When I manage to keep it on line, I note that there is not much of a plate current dip. Power out is actually less than exciter power. What did I screw up? 73, Bob W0YVA From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 20:47:23 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's Message-ID: <20020225204723.32496.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> How much air should I provide to keep four 811A's cool? Thought I would buy a new Dayton Squirrel cage Fan. 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 25 21:13:12 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:13:12 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's Message-ID: > How much air should I provide to keep four 811A's > cool? Thought I would buy a new Dayton Squirrel cage > Fan. > Won't that make the squirrels dizzy? Seriously, 811A's aren't "forced air cooled" tubes. I'd think a 120mm "muffin" type fan would be more than sufficient. Squirrel-cage fans (centrifugal blowers) are designed to provide a lot of air pressure against heavily restricted systems, such as external anode tubes. With no restrictions, they have no advantage whatever, and indeed actually move far less air (volume) than similarly sized axial fans. WB2WIK/6 > 73, > Bill > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From phil@vaxxine.com Mon Feb 25 22:50:37 2002 From: phil@vaxxine.com (Phil (VA3UX)) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:50:37 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? Phil From kc5ajx@hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 23:21:50 2002 From: kc5ajx@hotmail.com (Rick Bullon) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:21:50 +0000 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? Message-ID: >From: "Phil (VA3UX)" >To: amps@contesting.com >Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:50:37 -0500 > >Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > >Phil > Yes and to all the other email list I am on at contesting.com 73 Rick KC5AJX _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From n8de@thepoint.net Mon Feb 25 23:22:48 2002 From: n8de@thepoint.net (Don Havlicek) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <3C7AC748.7CA66470@thepoint.net> Yes.. also got one from 'towertalk', too! Don N8DE "Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: > > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Mon Feb 25 23:33:30 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:33:30 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> <3C7AC748.7CA66470@thepoint.net> Message-ID: <007901c1be54$d586dc00$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Yea!! I got one too!!!! carl / kz5ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Havlicek" To: "Phil (VA3UX)" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > Yes.. also got one from 'towertalk', too! > Don > N8DE > > "Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: > > > > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > > > Phil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Amps mailing list > > Amps@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From k2xx@swva.net Mon Feb 25 23:36:27 2002 From: k2xx@swva.net (Joe Giacobello, K2XX) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <3C7ACA7B.378EB820@swva.net> Yes! 73, Joe "Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From kayser@sympatico.ca Tue Feb 26 00:45:19 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Info Please 8813/YL1430 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225194253.01f1a060@POP2.sympatico.ca> Greetings and thanks for looking at this.... After many many months of searching I have found a source of large tubes, specifically the Philips 8813/YL1430. The data sheets and engineering information are simply not available to me as I search here on the Internet. If anyone has information it would be appreciated. Larry VA3LK From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 26 04:11:20 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:11:20 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's References: Message-ID: <027801c1be7b$a64e78e0$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> I have been seeing the price on residential air conditioners drop to around hundred bucks...it is almost at the point that I am thinking about adding a "wall shaker" for cooling of the amps....has anyone done this...by driving the cooled air through dryer vent kit hose it seems this could only enhance keeping the tubes cool... Thoughts? Jim, K4OJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'Bill Smith'" ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's > > > > > How much air should I provide to keep four 811A's > > cool? Thought I would buy a new Dayton Squirrel cage > > Fan. > > > Won't that make the squirrels dizzy? > > Seriously, 811A's aren't "forced air cooled" tubes. I'd think a > 120mm "muffin" type fan would be more than sufficient. Squirrel-cage fans > (centrifugal blowers) are designed to provide a lot of air pressure against > heavily restricted systems, such as external anode tubes. With no > restrictions, they have no advantage whatever, and indeed actually move far > less air (volume) than similarly sized axial fans. > > WB2WIK/6 > > 73, > > Bill > > > > ===== > > Bill Smith KO4NR > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Amps mailing list > > Amps@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 26 04:17:27 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:17:27 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <029001c1be7c$80465680$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> new server - thanks to donations from a number of hams there is a new server for all of the contesting.com lists and they are being "re-started" - that's technical talk k4oj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil (VA3UX)" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From n4zr@contesting.com Tue Feb 26 02:58:51 2002 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:58:51 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? In-Reply-To: <3C7AC748.7CA66470@thepoint.net> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020225215851.009cfca0@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 06:22 PM 2/25/02 -0500, Don Havlicek wrote: >Yes.. also got one from 'towertalk', too! >Don >N8DE > >"Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: >> >> Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? This is just from the switchover to the mailman list software 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the World HF Contest Station Database at www.pvrc.org From na9d-2@speakeasy.net Tue Feb 26 04:06:22 2002 From: na9d-2@speakeasy.net (Jon Ogden) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:06:22 -0600 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? In-Reply-To: <029001c1be7c$80465680$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: This has actually been going on for some time and just hit the amps reflector. One of the first to be switched was the RFI list. I wanted to change e-mail addresses and kept subscribing via majordomo@contesting.com. At that time, the majordomo engine wasn't turned off, but the list server was moved over to the new software. It took a bunch of people getting involved to finally figure out what was going on and why I wasn't subscribed. They told me that they were gradually moving lists to the new software and would move everyone when the new server was installed. I guess that happened. Mailman is much better, apparently, from a list management point of view. The Majordomo software was apparently patched and kluged over the years and is now just obsolete. Many mail reflectors are going to this. All the lists on QTH.NET are now on mailman as well. Nothing to be worried about with the message. You just got moved over to the new list software automatically. 73, Jon NA9D on 2/25/02 10:17 PM, Jim White, K4OJ at k4oj@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > new server - thanks to donations from a number of hams there is a new server > for all of the contesting.com lists and they are being "re-started" - that's > technical talk > > k4oj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil (VA3UX)" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:50 PM > Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > > >> Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? >> >> Phil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Amps mailing list >> Amps@contesting.com >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > From oz1pif@get2net.dk Mon Feb 25 23:12:42 2002 From: oz1pif@get2net.dk (Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:12:42 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <006301c1be51$ed8db4c0$0100a8be@oz1pif> Jup - I did.... Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter ********** OZ1PIF ************** email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil (VA3UX)" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Tue Feb 26 08:49:00 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:49:00 -0000 Subject: [Amps] test Message-ID: From rrossi@btv.ibm.com Tue Feb 26 17:20:00 2002 From: rrossi@btv.ibm.com (Ron D. Rossi) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:20:00 -0500 Subject: [Amps] ping... Message-ID: <200202261720.MAA28252@johnpaul.btv.ibm.com> ping From paule@sfu.ca Tue Feb 26 17:31:54 2002 From: paule@sfu.ca (paule@sfu.ca) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 9:31:54 PST Subject: [Amps] WTB: doorknob caps and fan for 4cx1000/1500 amp Message-ID: <200202261731.g1QHVsE10974@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> I have a long term project to build a couple of amps around the 4cx1000/1500 and am looking for appropriate dc blocking doorknob caps and cooling fans. Anyone have anything suitable? cheers, Paul - VA7NT ex VE7CQK - email: paule@sfu.ca "Those who hear not the music. . . think the dancers mad." From kkanakas@cisco.com Tue Feb 26 18:37:20 2002 From: kkanakas@cisco.com (krish) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Amps] ping... References: <200202261720.MAA28252@johnpaul.btv.ibm.com> Message-ID: <3C7BD5DF.7C209810@cisco.com> ping ACK "Ron D. Rossi" wrote: > ping > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From n0unr@usa.net Tue Feb 26 18:44:10 2002 From: n0unr@usa.net (Tim Kelley) Date: 26 Feb 2002 13:44:10 EST Subject: [Amps] YC156 amp info Message-ID: <20020226184410.22149.qmail@cpdvg100.netaddress.usa.net> Hello fellow amp builders. In my web searches for amplifier design and construction information, I came across this site and thought it might be of interest to the group. http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/rfbox/ 73, Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 20:16:05 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:16:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Amps] Which is it 220, 230, or 240 volts, etc.?? Message-ID: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> I want to have a transformer rewound for me and am puzzled by the differnet Primary Voltage options I have available. The power at my house reads 120 volts +/- a few volts depending on the time of day. This means I should ask for a 240 volt primary, correct? 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp Tue Feb 26 20:36:04 2002 From: salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp (Xu) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:36:04 +0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c1bf05$37608a60$f2636bca@8163> Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? 73! Xu From jstrohm@texas.net Tue Feb 26 21:02:39 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:02:39 -0600 Subject: [Amps] Which is it 220, 230, or 240 volts, etc.?? In-Reply-To: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill Smith sez -- >I want to have a transformer rewound for me and am >puzzled by the differnet Primary Voltage options I >have available. The power at my house reads 120 volts >+/- a few volts depending on the time of day. This >means I should ask for a 240 volt primary, correct? If you're paying for a custom rewind, get extra taps above and below your usual "nominal" voltage. I would suggest 100, 105, 110, 120, 130, and 135 -- plus 2x all those, within reason by the rewinder's prices. Line voltage here in central Texas ranges from a measured 122 to 131 before seasonal brown-outs -- I once lived in a house that showed an 8 v drop every time somebody made a slice of toast! Jim N6OTQ From kayser@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 27 01:09:34 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:09:34 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled In-Reply-To: <004d01c1bf05$37608a60$f2636bca@8163> References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020226200753.00a7f920@POP2.sympatico.ca> Xu: >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? I don't think this is what your looking for, but when we were kids we used to run 6AG7's (at 10 for a Dollar in those days) in GG and invert them in a can of oil to cool them. 1600V on the plates and all was well if you didn't sneeze.... Larry VA3LK From COLIN LAMB" <5.1.0.14.0.20020226200753.00a7f920@POP2.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000a01c1bf39$77d56780$6ac7e343@com> Boy, that brings back memories. I ran 4 of them at over 200 watts input for over a year. Never replaced any of them. I still have them and the amp. I only ran 1,000 volts, though. All driven by a single 6AG7 hb. Big problem was that you could never see the plates - so I still do not know if they were abused or even ran red hot. I probably should get the old 6AG7 tubes out and put the fins from an old 4X150 on them, then use them for replacements for the hard to get and expensive 8874 tubes. They never got proper cooling when I used them so an air socket and a lot of air might surprise someone. 3x6AG7 sounds like a nice fit for retrofitting the old Alpha. If the first three would not take it, I could put the entire Alpha in an oil bath. Reminds me of a story by Bill Orr about the hams who went a bit wacky during the lull of the sunspot cycle and cooled the 304TL tubes in an oil bath. 73, Colin k7FM ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Kayser To: Xu ; Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Amps] Oil cooled > Xu: > > >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? > > I don't think this is what your looking for, but when we were kids we used > to run 6AG7's (at 10 for a Dollar in those days) in GG and invert them in a > can of oil to cool them. 1600V on the plates and all was well if you > didn't sneeze.... > > Larry > VA3LK > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From kayser@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 27 03:35:53 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled In-Reply-To: <000a01c1bf39$77d56780$6ac7e343@com> References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020226200753.00a7f920@POP2.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020226223143.02682da0@POP2.sympatico.ca> >Colin: > > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you > > didn't sneeze.... If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. Larry VA3LK From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 27 04:21:26 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:21:26 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled Message-ID: <200202270422.g1R4MDVw028673@contesting.com> > >>Colin: > >> > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you >> > didn't sneeze.... > >If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor >direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. >Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of >the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. > € One would still need a tank to construct the missing half of the sinewave. - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end From ad5gb@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 05:12:34 2002 From: ad5gb@yahoo.com (Randall DuCharme) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:12:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Amps] 4-65A data / curves Message-ID: <20020227051234.63219.qmail@web20908.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings, Would anyone happen to have a scanned set of curves and operating data for the 4-65 that they'd be willing to share? I have only a brief entry in my RCA TT-5 manual and can't seem to turn up much more on internet searches. Many thanks! Randy (AD5GB) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From s53mm@lea.hamradio.si Wed Feb 27 07:54:58 2002 From: s53mm@lea.hamradio.si (Matija Brodnik, S53MM) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:54:58 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 Message-ID: <005f01c1bf64$10518fa0$0100000a@ampr.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1BF6C.6EE8AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z (SK510)? Matija/S53MM ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1BF6C.6EE8AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there
 
Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a = socket of=20 4-1000Z (SK510)?
 
Matija/S53MM
 
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1BF6C.6EE8AC80-- From oz1pif@get2net.dk Wed Feb 27 11:05:15 2002 From: oz1pif@get2net.dk (Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:05:15 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 References: <005f01c1bf64$10518fa0$0100000a@ampr.org> Message-ID: <004501c1bf7e$a2b770c0$0100a8be@oz1pif> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1BF87.045A4700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matija, It does not, it requires the "Super Giant" 5P socket (Big brother of the = socket used for 500Z and smaller QBs) Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter ********** OZ1PIF ************** email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *********************************** ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matija Brodnik, S53MM=20 To: Amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 Hi there Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z (SK510)? Matija/S53MM ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1BF87.045A4700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Matija,
It does not, it requires the "Super = Giant" 5P=20 socket (Big brother of the socket used for 500Z and smaller = QBs)
 
Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter
 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, = 2002 8:54=20 AM
Subject: [Amps] Tube socket = fitting SK510=20 - QB5/1750

Hi there
 
Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a = socket of=20 4-1000Z (SK510)?
 
Matija/S53MM
 
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1BF87.045A4700-- From kayser@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 27 12:02:03 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled In-Reply-To: <20020227042213.MJJN23788.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@vcnet. com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020227070101.02a8a090@POP2.sympatico.ca> >Richard: > >> > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you > >> > didn't sneeze.... > > > >If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor > >direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. > >Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of > >the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. > > >€ One would still need a tank to construct the missing half of the >sinewave. I guess the antenna supplied the tank circuit as it was resonant, more or less hi. Larry VA3LK From DF3KV@aol.com Wed Feb 27 13:46:57 2002 From: DF3KV@aol.com (DF3KV@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:46:57 EST Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 Message-ID: <123.c702829.29ae3d51@aol.com> The QB5/1750 has the same socket as 4-1000 / 3-1000Z = super giant the pins are a little bit bigger in diameter, so the Eimac-Sockets have to be modified a little Original Valvo sockets are still available in Germany at "Schuricht" for about 90€ 73 de Peter, DF3KV ( homebrew 3x QB5/1750 ) From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 27 15:10:19 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:10:19 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled Message-ID: <200202271511.g1RFB5Vw001983@contesting.com> > >>Richard: > > > >> >> > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you >> >> > didn't sneeze.... >> > >> >If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor >> >direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. >> >Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of >> >the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. >> > >>€ One would still need a tank to construct the missing half of the >>sinewave. > >I guess the antenna supplied the tank circuit as it was resonant, more or >less hi. chortle. Wierd science. cheers, Larry - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end From yo9fzs@office.deck.ro Wed Feb 27 15:55:44 2002 From: yo9fzs@office.deck.ro (yo9fzs) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:55:44 +0200 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 References: <123.c702829.29ae3d51@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C7D0180.4006A53C@office.deck.ro> Hello Peter, Nice to hear from you. The diameter difference is to 0.05 mm for a 9.5 mm diameter pin, and when considering also the socket contact manufacturing precision and tolerance, it may be not so important for that spring action contact. The contacts are big and fillament current for the QB tube at half value level than for a 4-1000. SK510 with Valvo and Philips QB5/1750's were used in some old european made amplifiers. Some of these amplifiers were in use here in the early '70s, and a pair of SK510 socket and QB Philips tube from them I saw at one of my friends here. 73's, All the Best, Traian DF3KV@aol.com wrote: > The QB5/1750 has the same socket as 4-1000 / 3-1000Z > = super giant > > the pins are a little bit bigger in diameter, so the Eimac-Sockets have to be modified a little > > Original Valvo sockets are still available in Germany > at "Schuricht" for about 90€ > > 73 de Peter, DF3KV ( homebrew 3x QB5/1750 ) > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp Wed Feb 27 15:57:00 2002 From: salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp (Xu) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:57:00 +0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01ec01c1bfa8$8aff90a0$6e1a6eca@8163> Hi! Thank you, and thank who reply my message.The things is :I have a 1.6KW Chinese Military ISB transmitter.but the blower is too noisy.I wat to cool the tube (Chinese FU-100F, 4CX1000A can replaceit) use transformer oil. Thanks ! Xu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Strohm" To: "Xu" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amps] Oil cooled > >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? > > > Do you mean externally oil cooled tubes, when the external envelope of the > tube is placed in an oil bath, or internally oil-cooled, where the oil is > circulated through the anode structure in a liquid-cooling enclosure > engineered for that purpose? > > > I have some limited anecdotal experience with both. > > jim N6OTQ > > > From sm2ekm@telia.com Wed Feb 27 16:12:51 2002 From: sm2ekm@telia.com (Jan Erik Holm) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:51 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Re: Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 References: <005f01c1bf64$10518fa0$0100000a@ampr.org> <004501c1bf7e$a2b770c0$0100a8be@oz1pif> Message-ID: <3C7D0583.7000009@telia.com> You are thinking about QB 3.5/750. The 1750 uses Giant 5 pin. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF wrote: > Hi Matija, > > It does not, it requires the "Super Giant" 5P socket (Big brother of > the socket used for 500Z and smaller QBs) > > > > Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter > > > > ********** OZ1PIF ************** > email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk > http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif > Ph. +45 4619 3239 > Snailmail: > Peter Frenning > Ternevej 23 > DK-4130 Viby Sj. > Denmark > *********************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matija Brodnik, S53MM > > To:Amps@contesting.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:54 AM > > Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 > > > Hi there > > > > Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z (SK510)? > > > > Matija/S53MM > > > From Paul B. Peters, VE7AVV" The band switch in my Yaesu FL-2100Z has just died a rather molten death. My Fl-2100Z is the 6-band version of this amp (no WARC bands) -- I'm told by Yaesu it was an offshore model variation. I contacted Yaesu Parts in California yesterday and they have informed me the 2 part switch is now discontinued and they offer no alternate replacement route or parts option. Can someone on this list offer any suggestions? 73 de Paul, VE7AVV StoneyGround Station -|<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>|- "All email from this address is checked by Norton AntiVirus 2002" From stevek@jmr.com Wed Feb 27 19:28:54 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:28:54 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Band Switch - Yaesu FL-2100Z ? Message-ID: Um... ...several knife switches mounted on a piece of plywood, strapped to the side of the amp? "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul B. Peters, VE7AVV [SMTP:ve7avv@shaw.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:23 AM > To: Amps Reflector > Subject: [Amps] Band Switch - Yaesu FL-2100Z ? > > The band switch in my Yaesu FL-2100Z has just died a rather molten death. > My > Fl-2100Z is the 6-band version of this amp (no WARC bands) -- I'm told by > Yaesu it was an offshore model variation. I contacted Yaesu Parts in > California yesterday and they have informed me the 2 part switch is now > discontinued and they offer no alternate replacement route or parts > option. > Can someone on this list offer any suggestions? > > 73 de Paul, VE7AVV > StoneyGround Station > -|<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>|- > "All email from this address is checked by Norton AntiVirus 2002" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From gschafer@mediaone.net Wed Feb 27 19:51:36 2002 From: gschafer@mediaone.net (Gary Schafer) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> <01ec01c1bfa8$8aff90a0$6e1a6eca@8163> Message-ID: <3C7D38C8.6D2B0AE5@mediaone.net> A couple of suggestions: Rather than convert it to another cooling type you might consider removing the blower and mounting it outside or in the next room or even under the table and running an air duct to the amp. The other thing that may work is to add a selected size capacitor in series with the blower to slow it down some. That will reduce the noise greatly. As most military amps have much more air than needed you may be able to do this. I did it on a TMC amplifier with a PL172 (similar to 4CX1000). I installed a thermal switch above the tube to short out the capacitor and give full blower speed if the air got too hot coming out of the tube. The only time the blower goes to full speed is if there is a long winded transmission. 73 Gary K4FMX Xu wrote: > Hi! > Thank you, and thank who reply my message.The things is :I have a 1.6KW > Chinese Military ISB transmitter.but the blower is too noisy.I wat to cool > the tube > (Chinese FU-100F, 4CX1000A can replaceit) use transformer oil. > Thanks ! > Xu > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Strohm" > To: "Xu" > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Amps] Oil cooled > > > >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? > > > > > > Do you mean externally oil cooled tubes, when the external envelope of the > > tube is placed in an oil bath, or internally oil-cooled, where the oil is > > circulated through the anode structure in a liquid-cooling enclosure > > engineered for that purpose? > > > > > > I have some limited anecdotal experience with both. > > > > jim N6OTQ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 27 21:19:43 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:19:43 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Band Switch - Yaesu FL-2100Z ? Message-ID: <200202272120.g1RLKSVw008277@contesting.com> >The band switch in my Yaesu FL-2100Z has just died a rather molten death. Yaesu said it has an intermittent VHF parasitic problem. If the 10m contact and 15m contacts are burned, or the 160m or 80m Tune-C fixed padder switch contacts are burned, a parasitic is indicated. Better parasitic suppressors might help. >My Fl-2100Z is the 6-band version of this amp (no WARC bands) -- I'm told by >Yaesu it was an offshore model variation. I contacted Yaesu Parts in >California yesterday and they have informed me the 2 part switch is now >discontinued and they offer no alternate replacement route or parts option. >Can someone on this list offer any suggestions? > Radio Switch is now Multitech Industries 64 So. Main or PO Box 159 Marlboro, NJ 07746 732-462-6100 talk to Skip Coleman - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end From n1wr@chesapeake.net Thu Feb 28 01:17:37 2002 From: n1wr@chesapeake.net (Wayne Rogers) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:17:37 +0000 Subject: [Amps] Drake L4B connector Message-ID: <3C7D8530.D870D276@chesapeake.net> Have a simple request. I am looking for a part number and/or source for a replacement plug that mates with the vox relay jack on the back of the L4B. Thanks, Wayne N1WR Lusby, MD From wd7s@att.net Thu Feb 28 20:30:16 2002 From: wd7s@att.net (PAUL HEWITT) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:30:16 -0800 Subject: [Amps] YC-156 Amp Message-ID: Finally fired up the YC-156 50mhz amp. For those interested, I've posted some specs and early test numbers in gallery-4 on my site. Warning!! Semi-Commercial website Paul PAUL HEWITT WD7S PRODUCTIONS QRO HOMEBREW COMPONENTS http://wd7s.home.att.net From wc6w@juno.com Thu Feb 28 21:00:28 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:00:28 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: <20020228.131718.-1550501.2.WC6W@juno.com> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:32:54 +0000 David Kirkby writes: Hi everyone, Sorry for the tardy comment but, this reply got stuck in e-mail limbo. > Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL wrote: > > >>I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. > > Use an external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v > > batteries > >>(two at a time!) like water through a sieve. > That sounds like very poor design. The meter is only 30 uA, so even > to keep the meter at FSD, cells should last almost forever. The electronics to keep > the peak must use very little power - a precision rectifier and storage capacitor > would probably do it. Something seems amis. > -- > Dr. David Kirkby PhD, Methinks the trouble is that the peak conversions I've seen use standard op-amps with a couple MA of power supply current. I built one of those myself, in the last millennium, using a National LMC6462, micropower CMOS dual op-amp. It runs on 3V (single supply) and consumes only 12uA in standby. It will run a long time (2000 hrs.?) on a Lithium coin cell or years on a pair of AA cells. 73 & Good afternoon, Marv WC6W * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From s53mm@lea.hamradio.si Tue Feb 26 19:31:13 2002 From: s53mm@lea.hamradio.si (Matija Brodnik, S53MM) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:31:13 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting? Message-ID: <000801c1befc$273b0560$0100000a@ampr.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1BF04.887AAD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z? Matija/S53MM ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1BF04.887AAD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there
 
Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a = socket of=20 4-1000Z?
 
Matija/S53MM
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1BF04.887AAD00-- From ad5gb@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 19:10:23 2002 From: ad5gb@yahoo.com (Randall DuCharme) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:10:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [AMPS] Copper Finger Stock Supplier In-Reply-To: <20020225174630.88499.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020225191023.45771.qmail@web20906.mail.yahoo.com> Fair Radio has some. http://www.fairradio.com/0finger.htm --- Bill Smith wrote: > > I'm builidng up some sockets for the Russian GI7B > Tubes and need a few pieces of finger stok. Is > there > a supplier out there that does not require you to > buy > a truck load to get a few pieces? > 73, > Bill Smith KO4NR > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > -- > FAQ on WWW: > http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps > Submissions: amps@contesting.com > Administrative requests: > amps-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bobs@isquare.com Mon Feb 25 20:41:32 2002 From: bobs@isquare.com (Bob Sullivan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Alpha 77 Troubleshooting help Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020225152306.00f90b30@mail.bscnet.com> I'm trying to get an A77 (PA77) working ... need some advice. The previous owner had applied 200w plus to input. After replacing the soft start resistors which cooked and one of the HV RFC's (L9) which vaporized, I applied power and the amplifier made good power. Then I noticed there was plate current with no input. I discovered that the bias switch transistors Q4, Q5 were shorted and D17, D18 were open. Replaced them and bias was now normal and switched with input RF. To replace these components I had to pretty much remove the "T/R" PC board. Then, after reassembly, although bias is correct, no power out! Upon applying drive, grid current swings very high as I turn thru resonance and the amp trips on excessive grid current even with a few watts drive. When I manage to keep it on line, I note that there is not much of a plate current dip. Power out is actually less than exciter power. What did I screw up? 73, Bob W0YVA From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 20:47:23 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's Message-ID: <20020225204723.32496.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> How much air should I provide to keep four 811A's cool? Thought I would buy a new Dayton Squirrel cage Fan. 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From stevek@jmr.com Mon Feb 25 21:13:12 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:13:12 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's Message-ID: > How much air should I provide to keep four 811A's > cool? Thought I would buy a new Dayton Squirrel cage > Fan. > Won't that make the squirrels dizzy? Seriously, 811A's aren't "forced air cooled" tubes. I'd think a 120mm "muffin" type fan would be more than sufficient. Squirrel-cage fans (centrifugal blowers) are designed to provide a lot of air pressure against heavily restricted systems, such as external anode tubes. With no restrictions, they have no advantage whatever, and indeed actually move far less air (volume) than similarly sized axial fans. WB2WIK/6 > 73, > Bill > > ===== > Bill Smith KO4NR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From phil@vaxxine.com Mon Feb 25 22:50:37 2002 From: phil@vaxxine.com (Phil (VA3UX)) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:50:37 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? Phil From kc5ajx@hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 23:21:50 2002 From: kc5ajx@hotmail.com (Rick Bullon) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:21:50 +0000 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? Message-ID: >From: "Phil (VA3UX)" >To: amps@contesting.com >Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:50:37 -0500 > >Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > >Phil > Yes and to all the other email list I am on at contesting.com 73 Rick KC5AJX _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From n8de@thepoint.net Mon Feb 25 23:22:48 2002 From: n8de@thepoint.net (Don Havlicek) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <3C7AC748.7CA66470@thepoint.net> Yes.. also got one from 'towertalk', too! Don N8DE "Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: > > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From carlseye@tampabay.rr.com Mon Feb 25 23:33:30 2002 From: carlseye@tampabay.rr.com (carl seyersdahl) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:33:30 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> <3C7AC748.7CA66470@thepoint.net> Message-ID: <007901c1be54$d586dc00$29221c18@tampabay.rr.com> Yea!! I got one too!!!! carl / kz5ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Havlicek" To: "Phil (VA3UX)" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > Yes.. also got one from 'towertalk', too! > Don > N8DE > > "Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: > > > > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > > > Phil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Amps mailing list > > Amps@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From k2xx@swva.net Mon Feb 25 23:36:27 2002 From: k2xx@swva.net (Joe Giacobello, K2XX) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <3C7ACA7B.378EB820@swva.net> Yes! 73, Joe "Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From kayser@sympatico.ca Tue Feb 26 00:45:19 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Info Please 8813/YL1430 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225194253.01f1a060@POP2.sympatico.ca> Greetings and thanks for looking at this.... After many many months of searching I have found a source of large tubes, specifically the Philips 8813/YL1430. The data sheets and engineering information are simply not available to me as I search here on the Internet. If anyone has information it would be appreciated. Larry VA3LK From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 26 04:11:20 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:11:20 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's References: Message-ID: <027801c1be7b$a64e78e0$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> I have been seeing the price on residential air conditioners drop to around hundred bucks...it is almost at the point that I am thinking about adding a "wall shaker" for cooling of the amps....has anyone done this...by driving the cooled air through dryer vent kit hose it seems this could only enhance keeping the tubes cool... Thoughts? Jim, K4OJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Katz" To: "'Bill Smith'" ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [Amps] Adequate Cooling Air for Four 811A's > > > > > How much air should I provide to keep four 811A's > > cool? Thought I would buy a new Dayton Squirrel cage > > Fan. > > > Won't that make the squirrels dizzy? > > Seriously, 811A's aren't "forced air cooled" tubes. I'd think a > 120mm "muffin" type fan would be more than sufficient. Squirrel-cage fans > (centrifugal blowers) are designed to provide a lot of air pressure against > heavily restricted systems, such as external anode tubes. With no > restrictions, they have no advantage whatever, and indeed actually move far > less air (volume) than similarly sized axial fans. > > WB2WIK/6 > > 73, > > Bill > > > > ===== > > Bill Smith KO4NR > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Amps mailing list > > Amps@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From k4oj@tampabay.rr.com Tue Feb 26 04:17:27 2002 From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White, K4OJ) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:17:27 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <029001c1be7c$80465680$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> new server - thanks to donations from a number of hams there is a new server for all of the contesting.com lists and they are being "re-started" - that's technical talk k4oj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil (VA3UX)" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From n4zr@contesting.com Tue Feb 26 02:58:51 2002 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:58:51 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? In-Reply-To: <3C7AC748.7CA66470@thepoint.net> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020225215851.009cfca0@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 06:22 PM 2/25/02 -0500, Don Havlicek wrote: >Yes.. also got one from 'towertalk', too! >Don >N8DE > >"Phil (VA3UX)" wrote: >> >> Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? This is just from the switchover to the mailman list software 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the World HF Contest Station Database at www.pvrc.org From na9d-2@speakeasy.net Tue Feb 26 04:06:22 2002 From: na9d-2@speakeasy.net (Jon Ogden) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:06:22 -0600 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? In-Reply-To: <029001c1be7c$80465680$62f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: This has actually been going on for some time and just hit the amps reflector. One of the first to be switched was the RFI list. I wanted to change e-mail addresses and kept subscribing via majordomo@contesting.com. At that time, the majordomo engine wasn't turned off, but the list server was moved over to the new software. It took a bunch of people getting involved to finally figure out what was going on and why I wasn't subscribed. They told me that they were gradually moving lists to the new software and would move everyone when the new server was installed. I guess that happened. Mailman is much better, apparently, from a list management point of view. The Majordomo software was apparently patched and kluged over the years and is now just obsolete. Many mail reflectors are going to this. All the lists on QTH.NET are now on mailman as well. Nothing to be worried about with the message. You just got moved over to the new list software automatically. 73, Jon NA9D on 2/25/02 10:17 PM, Jim White, K4OJ at k4oj@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > new server - thanks to donations from a number of hams there is a new server > for all of the contesting.com lists and they are being "re-started" - that's > technical talk > > k4oj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil (VA3UX)" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:50 PM > Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > > >> Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? >> >> Phil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Amps mailing list >> Amps@contesting.com >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps > From oz1pif@get2net.dk Mon Feb 25 23:12:42 2002 From: oz1pif@get2net.dk (Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:12:42 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020225174928.009efd90@vaxxine.com> Message-ID: <006301c1be51$ed8db4c0$0100a8be@oz1pif> Jup - I did.... Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter ********** OZ1PIF ************** email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil (VA3UX)" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: [Amps] Re-subscribe ?? > Anybody else get an unexpected "Welcome to amps@contesting.com" notice ? > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com Tue Feb 26 08:49:00 2002 From: Peter.Chadwick@zarlink.com (Peter Chadwick) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:49:00 -0000 Subject: [Amps] test Message-ID: From rrossi@btv.ibm.com Tue Feb 26 17:20:00 2002 From: rrossi@btv.ibm.com (Ron D. Rossi) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:20:00 -0500 Subject: [Amps] ping... Message-ID: <200202261720.MAA28252@johnpaul.btv.ibm.com> ping From paule@sfu.ca Tue Feb 26 17:31:54 2002 From: paule@sfu.ca (paule@sfu.ca) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 9:31:54 PST Subject: [Amps] WTB: doorknob caps and fan for 4cx1000/1500 amp Message-ID: <200202261731.g1QHVsE10974@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> I have a long term project to build a couple of amps around the 4cx1000/1500 and am looking for appropriate dc blocking doorknob caps and cooling fans. Anyone have anything suitable? cheers, Paul - VA7NT ex VE7CQK - email: paule@sfu.ca "Those who hear not the music. . . think the dancers mad." From kkanakas@cisco.com Tue Feb 26 18:37:20 2002 From: kkanakas@cisco.com (krish) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Amps] ping... References: <200202261720.MAA28252@johnpaul.btv.ibm.com> Message-ID: <3C7BD5DF.7C209810@cisco.com> ping ACK "Ron D. Rossi" wrote: > ping > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From n0unr@usa.net Tue Feb 26 18:44:10 2002 From: n0unr@usa.net (Tim Kelley) Date: 26 Feb 2002 13:44:10 EST Subject: [Amps] YC156 amp info Message-ID: <20020226184410.22149.qmail@cpdvg100.netaddress.usa.net> Hello fellow amp builders. In my web searches for amplifier design and construction information, I came across this site and thought it might be of interest to the group. http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/rfbox/ 73, Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From ko4nrbs@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 20:16:05 2002 From: ko4nrbs@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:16:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Amps] Which is it 220, 230, or 240 volts, etc.?? Message-ID: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> I want to have a transformer rewound for me and am puzzled by the differnet Primary Voltage options I have available. The power at my house reads 120 volts +/- a few volts depending on the time of day. This means I should ask for a 240 volt primary, correct? 73, Bill ===== Bill Smith KO4NR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp Tue Feb 26 20:36:04 2002 From: salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp (Xu) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:36:04 +0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c1bf05$37608a60$f2636bca@8163> Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? 73! Xu From jstrohm@texas.net Tue Feb 26 21:02:39 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:02:39 -0600 Subject: [Amps] Which is it 220, 230, or 240 volts, etc.?? In-Reply-To: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill Smith sez -- >I want to have a transformer rewound for me and am >puzzled by the differnet Primary Voltage options I >have available. The power at my house reads 120 volts >+/- a few volts depending on the time of day. This >means I should ask for a 240 volt primary, correct? If you're paying for a custom rewind, get extra taps above and below your usual "nominal" voltage. I would suggest 100, 105, 110, 120, 130, and 135 -- plus 2x all those, within reason by the rewinder's prices. Line voltage here in central Texas ranges from a measured 122 to 131 before seasonal brown-outs -- I once lived in a house that showed an 8 v drop every time somebody made a slice of toast! Jim N6OTQ From kayser@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 27 01:09:34 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:09:34 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled In-Reply-To: <004d01c1bf05$37608a60$f2636bca@8163> References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020226200753.00a7f920@POP2.sympatico.ca> Xu: >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? I don't think this is what your looking for, but when we were kids we used to run 6AG7's (at 10 for a Dollar in those days) in GG and invert them in a can of oil to cool them. 1600V on the plates and all was well if you didn't sneeze.... Larry VA3LK From COLIN LAMB" <5.1.0.14.0.20020226200753.00a7f920@POP2.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000a01c1bf39$77d56780$6ac7e343@com> Boy, that brings back memories. I ran 4 of them at over 200 watts input for over a year. Never replaced any of them. I still have them and the amp. I only ran 1,000 volts, though. All driven by a single 6AG7 hb. Big problem was that you could never see the plates - so I still do not know if they were abused or even ran red hot. I probably should get the old 6AG7 tubes out and put the fins from an old 4X150 on them, then use them for replacements for the hard to get and expensive 8874 tubes. They never got proper cooling when I used them so an air socket and a lot of air might surprise someone. 3x6AG7 sounds like a nice fit for retrofitting the old Alpha. If the first three would not take it, I could put the entire Alpha in an oil bath. Reminds me of a story by Bill Orr about the hams who went a bit wacky during the lull of the sunspot cycle and cooled the 304TL tubes in an oil bath. 73, Colin k7FM ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Kayser To: Xu ; Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Amps] Oil cooled > Xu: > > >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? > > I don't think this is what your looking for, but when we were kids we used > to run 6AG7's (at 10 for a Dollar in those days) in GG and invert them in a > can of oil to cool them. 1600V on the plates and all was well if you > didn't sneeze.... > > Larry > VA3LK > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From kayser@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 27 03:35:53 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled In-Reply-To: <000a01c1bf39$77d56780$6ac7e343@com> References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020226200753.00a7f920@POP2.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020226223143.02682da0@POP2.sympatico.ca> >Colin: > > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you > > didn't sneeze.... If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. Larry VA3LK From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 27 04:21:26 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:21:26 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled Message-ID: <200202270422.g1R4MDVw028673@contesting.com> > >>Colin: > >> > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you >> > didn't sneeze.... > >If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor >direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. >Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of >the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. > € One would still need a tank to construct the missing half of the sinewave. - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end From ad5gb@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 05:12:34 2002 From: ad5gb@yahoo.com (Randall DuCharme) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:12:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Amps] 4-65A data / curves Message-ID: <20020227051234.63219.qmail@web20908.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings, Would anyone happen to have a scanned set of curves and operating data for the 4-65 that they'd be willing to share? I have only a brief entry in my RCA TT-5 manual and can't seem to turn up much more on internet searches. Many thanks! Randy (AD5GB) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From s53mm@lea.hamradio.si Wed Feb 27 07:54:58 2002 From: s53mm@lea.hamradio.si (Matija Brodnik, S53MM) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:54:58 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 Message-ID: <005f01c1bf64$10518fa0$0100000a@ampr.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1BF6C.6EE8AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z (SK510)? Matija/S53MM ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1BF6C.6EE8AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there
 
Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a = socket of=20 4-1000Z (SK510)?
 
Matija/S53MM
 
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C1BF6C.6EE8AC80-- From oz1pif@get2net.dk Wed Feb 27 11:05:15 2002 From: oz1pif@get2net.dk (Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:05:15 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 References: <005f01c1bf64$10518fa0$0100000a@ampr.org> Message-ID: <004501c1bf7e$a2b770c0$0100a8be@oz1pif> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1BF87.045A4700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matija, It does not, it requires the "Super Giant" 5P socket (Big brother of the = socket used for 500Z and smaller QBs) Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter ********** OZ1PIF ************** email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *********************************** ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matija Brodnik, S53MM=20 To: Amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 Hi there Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z (SK510)? Matija/S53MM ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1BF87.045A4700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Matija,
It does not, it requires the "Super = Giant" 5P=20 socket (Big brother of the socket used for 500Z and smaller = QBs)
 
Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter
 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, = 2002 8:54=20 AM
Subject: [Amps] Tube socket = fitting SK510=20 - QB5/1750

Hi there
 
Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a = socket of=20 4-1000Z (SK510)?
 
Matija/S53MM
 
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1BF87.045A4700-- From kayser@sympatico.ca Wed Feb 27 12:02:03 2002 From: kayser@sympatico.ca (Larry Kayser) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled In-Reply-To: <20020227042213.MJJN23788.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@vcnet. com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020227070101.02a8a090@POP2.sympatico.ca> >Richard: > >> > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you > >> > didn't sneeze.... > > > >If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor > >direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. > >Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of > >the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. > > >€ One would still need a tank to construct the missing half of the >sinewave. I guess the antenna supplied the tank circuit as it was resonant, more or less hi. Larry VA3LK From DF3KV@aol.com Wed Feb 27 13:46:57 2002 From: DF3KV@aol.com (DF3KV@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:46:57 EST Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 Message-ID: <123.c702829.29ae3d51@aol.com> The QB5/1750 has the same socket as 4-1000 / 3-1000Z = super giant the pins are a little bit bigger in diameter, so the Eimac-Sockets have to be modified a little Original Valvo sockets are still available in Germany at "Schuricht" for about 90€ 73 de Peter, DF3KV ( homebrew 3x QB5/1750 ) From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 27 15:10:19 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:10:19 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled Message-ID: <200202271511.g1RFB5Vw001983@contesting.com> > >>Richard: > > > >> >> > 1600V on the plates and all was well if you >> >> > didn't sneeze.... >> > >> >If you ran enough of them in parallel you could put a .001 big tx capacitor >> >direct to the antenna on 75 with a good match to approximately 50 ohms. >> >Sneezing was however deadly to their long life cycle. I had enough out of >> >the Rust, W2UNJ exciter to drive two to drive a bunch of them. >> > >>€ One would still need a tank to construct the missing half of the >>sinewave. > >I guess the antenna supplied the tank circuit as it was resonant, more or >less hi. chortle. Wierd science. cheers, Larry - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end From yo9fzs@office.deck.ro Wed Feb 27 15:55:44 2002 From: yo9fzs@office.deck.ro (yo9fzs) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:55:44 +0200 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 References: <123.c702829.29ae3d51@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C7D0180.4006A53C@office.deck.ro> Hello Peter, Nice to hear from you. The diameter difference is to 0.05 mm for a 9.5 mm diameter pin, and when considering also the socket contact manufacturing precision and tolerance, it may be not so important for that spring action contact. The contacts are big and fillament current for the QB tube at half value level than for a 4-1000. SK510 with Valvo and Philips QB5/1750's were used in some old european made amplifiers. Some of these amplifiers were in use here in the early '70s, and a pair of SK510 socket and QB Philips tube from them I saw at one of my friends here. 73's, All the Best, Traian DF3KV@aol.com wrote: > The QB5/1750 has the same socket as 4-1000 / 3-1000Z > = super giant > > the pins are a little bit bigger in diameter, so the Eimac-Sockets have to be modified a little > > Original Valvo sockets are still available in Germany > at "Schuricht" for about 90€ > > 73 de Peter, DF3KV ( homebrew 3x QB5/1750 ) > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp Wed Feb 27 15:57:00 2002 From: salers@hamal.freemail.ne.jp (Xu) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:57:00 +0800 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01ec01c1bfa8$8aff90a0$6e1a6eca@8163> Hi! Thank you, and thank who reply my message.The things is :I have a 1.6KW Chinese Military ISB transmitter.but the blower is too noisy.I wat to cool the tube (Chinese FU-100F, 4CX1000A can replaceit) use transformer oil. Thanks ! Xu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Strohm" To: "Xu" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [Amps] Oil cooled > >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? > > > Do you mean externally oil cooled tubes, when the external envelope of the > tube is placed in an oil bath, or internally oil-cooled, where the oil is > circulated through the anode structure in a liquid-cooling enclosure > engineered for that purpose? > > > I have some limited anecdotal experience with both. > > jim N6OTQ > > > From sm2ekm@telia.com Wed Feb 27 16:12:51 2002 From: sm2ekm@telia.com (Jan Erik Holm) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:51 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Re: Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 References: <005f01c1bf64$10518fa0$0100000a@ampr.org> <004501c1bf7e$a2b770c0$0100a8be@oz1pif> Message-ID: <3C7D0583.7000009@telia.com> You are thinking about QB 3.5/750. The 1750 uses Giant 5 pin. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Frenning, OZ1PIF wrote: > Hi Matija, > > It does not, it requires the "Super Giant" 5P socket (Big brother of > the socket used for 500Z and smaller QBs) > > > > Vy 73 de OZ1PIF, Peter > > > > ********** OZ1PIF ************** > email: oz1pif(no-spam-filler)@get2net.dk > http://hjem.get2net.dk/oz1pif > Ph. +45 4619 3239 > Snailmail: > Peter Frenning > Ternevej 23 > DK-4130 Viby Sj. > Denmark > *********************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matija Brodnik, S53MM > > To:Amps@contesting.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:54 AM > > Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting SK510 - QB5/1750 > > > Hi there > > > > Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z (SK510)? > > > > Matija/S53MM > > > From Paul B. Peters, VE7AVV" The band switch in my Yaesu FL-2100Z has just died a rather molten death. My Fl-2100Z is the 6-band version of this amp (no WARC bands) -- I'm told by Yaesu it was an offshore model variation. I contacted Yaesu Parts in California yesterday and they have informed me the 2 part switch is now discontinued and they offer no alternate replacement route or parts option. Can someone on this list offer any suggestions? 73 de Paul, VE7AVV StoneyGround Station -|<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>|- "All email from this address is checked by Norton AntiVirus 2002" From stevek@jmr.com Wed Feb 27 19:28:54 2002 From: stevek@jmr.com (Steve Katz) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:28:54 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Band Switch - Yaesu FL-2100Z ? Message-ID: Um... ...several knife switches mounted on a piece of plywood, strapped to the side of the amp? "Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem." -- Henry Kissinger > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul B. Peters, VE7AVV [SMTP:ve7avv@shaw.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:23 AM > To: Amps Reflector > Subject: [Amps] Band Switch - Yaesu FL-2100Z ? > > The band switch in my Yaesu FL-2100Z has just died a rather molten death. > My > Fl-2100Z is the 6-band version of this amp (no WARC bands) -- I'm told by > Yaesu it was an offshore model variation. I contacted Yaesu Parts in > California yesterday and they have informed me the 2 part switch is now > discontinued and they offer no alternate replacement route or parts > option. > Can someone on this list offer any suggestions? > > 73 de Paul, VE7AVV > StoneyGround Station > -|<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>||<*><*>|- > "All email from this address is checked by Norton AntiVirus 2002" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From gschafer@mediaone.net Wed Feb 27 19:51:36 2002 From: gschafer@mediaone.net (Gary Schafer) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Amps] Oil cooled References: <20020226201605.52821.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> <01ec01c1bfa8$8aff90a0$6e1a6eca@8163> Message-ID: <3C7D38C8.6D2B0AE5@mediaone.net> A couple of suggestions: Rather than convert it to another cooling type you might consider removing the blower and mounting it outside or in the next room or even under the table and running an air duct to the amp. The other thing that may work is to add a selected size capacitor in series with the blower to slow it down some. That will reduce the noise greatly. As most military amps have much more air than needed you may be able to do this. I did it on a TMC amplifier with a PL172 (similar to 4CX1000). I installed a thermal switch above the tube to short out the capacitor and give full blower speed if the air got too hot coming out of the tube. The only time the blower goes to full speed is if there is a long winded transmission. 73 Gary K4FMX Xu wrote: > Hi! > Thank you, and thank who reply my message.The things is :I have a 1.6KW > Chinese Military ISB transmitter.but the blower is too noisy.I wat to cool > the tube > (Chinese FU-100F, 4CX1000A can replaceit) use transformer oil. > Thanks ! > Xu > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Strohm" > To: "Xu" > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Amps] Oil cooled > > > >Does anyone heve expermence in oil cooled vacuum tube rf amplifier? > > > > > > Do you mean externally oil cooled tubes, when the external envelope of the > > tube is placed in an oil bath, or internally oil-cooled, where the oil is > > circulated through the anode structure in a liquid-cooling enclosure > > engineered for that purpose? > > > > > > I have some limited anecdotal experience with both. > > > > jim N6OTQ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps From 2@mail.vcnet.com Wed Feb 27 21:19:43 2002 From: 2@mail.vcnet.com (Richard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:19:43 -0800 Subject: [Amps] Band Switch - Yaesu FL-2100Z ? Message-ID: <200202272120.g1RLKSVw008277@contesting.com> >The band switch in my Yaesu FL-2100Z has just died a rather molten death. Yaesu said it has an intermittent VHF parasitic problem. If the 10m contact and 15m contacts are burned, or the 160m or 80m Tune-C fixed padder switch contacts are burned, a parasitic is indicated. Better parasitic suppressors might help. >My Fl-2100Z is the 6-band version of this amp (no WARC bands) -- I'm told by >Yaesu it was an offshore model variation. I contacted Yaesu Parts in >California yesterday and they have informed me the 2 part switch is now >discontinued and they offer no alternate replacement route or parts option. >Can someone on this list offer any suggestions? > Radio Switch is now Multitech Industries 64 So. Main or PO Box 159 Marlboro, NJ 07746 732-462-6100 talk to Skip Coleman - R. L. Measures, a.k.a. Rich..., 805.386.3734,AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures. end From n1wr@chesapeake.net Thu Feb 28 01:17:37 2002 From: n1wr@chesapeake.net (Wayne Rogers) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:17:37 +0000 Subject: [Amps] Drake L4B connector Message-ID: <3C7D8530.D870D276@chesapeake.net> Have a simple request. I am looking for a part number and/or source for a replacement plug that mates with the vox relay jack on the back of the L4B. Thanks, Wayne N1WR Lusby, MD From wd7s@att.net Thu Feb 28 20:30:16 2002 From: wd7s@att.net (PAUL HEWITT) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:30:16 -0800 Subject: [Amps] YC-156 Amp Message-ID: Finally fired up the YC-156 50mhz amp. For those interested, I've posted some specs and early test numbers in gallery-4 on my site. Warning!! Semi-Commercial website Paul PAUL HEWITT WD7S PRODUCTIONS QRO HOMEBREW COMPONENTS http://wd7s.home.att.net From wc6w@juno.com Thu Feb 28 21:00:28 2002 From: wc6w@juno.com (Radio WC6W) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:00:28 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Bird peak reading meter? Slightly off topic Message-ID: <20020228.131718.-1550501.2.WC6W@juno.com> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:32:54 +0000 David Kirkby writes: Hi everyone, Sorry for the tardy comment but, this reply got stuck in e-mail limbo. > Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL wrote: > > >>I have the 43P kit, and it does indeed work about as you indicate. > > Use an external power supply for it, though, the thing goes through 9v > > batteries > >>(two at a time!) like water through a sieve. > That sounds like very poor design. The meter is only 30 uA, so even > to keep the meter at FSD, cells should last almost forever. The electronics to keep > the peak must use very little power - a precision rectifier and storage capacitor > would probably do it. Something seems amis. > -- > Dr. David Kirkby PhD, Methinks the trouble is that the peak conversions I've seen use standard op-amps with a couple MA of power supply current. I built one of those myself, in the last millennium, using a National LMC6462, micropower CMOS dual op-amp. It runs on 3V (single supply) and consumes only 12uA in standby. It will run a long time (2000 hrs.?) on a Lithium coin cell or years on a pair of AA cells. 73 & Good afternoon, Marv WC6W * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From s53mm@lea.hamradio.si Tue Feb 26 19:31:13 2002 From: s53mm@lea.hamradio.si (Matija Brodnik, S53MM) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:31:13 +0100 Subject: [Amps] Tube socket fitting? Message-ID: <000801c1befc$273b0560$0100000a@ampr.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1BF04.887AAD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a socket of 4-1000Z? Matija/S53MM ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1BF04.887AAD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Anyone know if QB5/1750 fits into a = socket of=20 4-1000Z?
 
Matija/S53MM
 
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