From jjones@etex.net Fri Feb 1 04:16:33 2002 From: jjones@etex.net (Jimmy Jones) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:16:33 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Wanted Message-ID: <00ea01c1aad7$3c5fdad0$a49c46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C1AAA4.F115A2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wanted 3CX1200D N5IFI ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C1AAA4.F115A2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Friends;
I received a new shipment of 3-500zg tubes this week. They are all gone but the last 2 tubes. I would like to find a good home for these so I can order some more.
Every one of these tubes have been toughly tested. That is the ONLY time the tubes were removed from their factory shipping boxes. I have sold many many dozens of these tubes and I have never had to replace even one of them. By the way I do warranty these tubes, and I offer a no questions asked exchange or refund warranty. If you get the tubes and for ANY REASON (other than you drop it on your shack floor and break it hi hi) I will exchange for a new tube or give a refund, whichever you prefer. But I seriously doubt you will have any trouble.
If you would like to see some of my references just go to my web site and go down about 2/3 of the way down the page until you see the reference section.
Now down to the nitty gritty................Price......$110.00 ea. plus shipping. I dont think you will find a better price on a brand new 3-500zg tube.
I also have new Svetlana 811-a tubes. These tubes will run in EVERY amp that uses 811-a tubes. They WILL RUN both VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY..
I also have plenty of 4cx800a/gu74b tubes, and sk1a sockets for the 4cx800a/gu74b tubes. I have the gs-35b, tubes, gs31b, and many others so check out my web site.
Thanks for your time and 73.
Tom................w4th
Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & coax antenna switches.
I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.
I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.
Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.
I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes with something they can afford.
I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and repairing amps.
SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set of sockets.
The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen.
If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these beautiful old amps.
Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.
73
Tom Hix..................w4th
Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & coax antenna switches.
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1ABD9.167E1860-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From wd0ct@networksplus.net Sat Feb 2 12:41:59 2002 From: wd0ct@networksplus.net (Steven Moore) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:41:59 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Oil capacitor mounting References: <153.834d35a.298caea3@aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c1abe7$030d8fa0$2620e9cc@SteveMoore> Hi David, I would think it would increase the chance for a leak. The sangamo in my buddie's Loudenboomer lays down and is now leaking from around the crimp on top. Anybody have a suitable replacement for sale? Here are the measurements and specs: 8mfd at 3000 volts case length is 7-1/2 inches overall length is 8-3/4 width is 3-5/8 height is 4-1/2 terminal spacing is 2 These measurements would be for an ideal replacement. If he removes the original mounting brackets then other sizes would fit. He wants to keep it as stock as possible. 73 Steve wd0ct ----- Original Message ----- From:----- Original Message -----From:=20 Tom = HixSent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 9:05=20 AMSubject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 = tube=20 conversionsSnip....I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of = the=20 people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont want=20 to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are = really heavy=20 duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending = on=20 voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion = a=20 friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He = put in a=20 pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.
Snip snip......
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C1ABCA.154017F0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From Ian White, G3SEK"----- Original Message -----From:=20 Tom = HixTo: ampsSent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 2:05=20 AMSubject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 = tube=20 conversionsI dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to = the=20 Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are = really=20 neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.
I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of = the=20 people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont want=20 to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are = really heavy=20 duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending = on=20 voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion = a=20 friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He = put in a=20 pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.
Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so=20 high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if = there is a=20 substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no = direct=20 replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as = replacements=20 for the 8874 tubes.
I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good = amp like=20 the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes = have gone up so=20 much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to = retube=20 these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners = facing=20 this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using=20 their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube=20 their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another tube=20 they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these = owners to=20 decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes = with=20 something they can afford.
I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more = about =20 building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, = fat, dumb=20 and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list = are the=20 very best at building and repairing amps.
SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if = the=20 gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone = who=20 knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and = they want=20 to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set = of=20 sockets.
The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send=20 them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically = fit into=20 the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets = at my=20 cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the = person=20 who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a = full set=20 of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I = can share=20 it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change = out=20 their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what = you are=20 doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of = the=20 project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could = be done,=20 and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really = appreciate=20 finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will = take to=20 make it happen.
If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply = and we=20 will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible=20 or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these = beautiful=20 old amps.
Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.
73
Tom Hix..................w4th
Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. = Specializing=20 in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local = ladderline & coax antenna switches.
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here
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------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C1ABE0.4B205A40-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jjones@etex.net Sat Feb 2 18:06:08 2002 From: jjones@etex.net (Jimmy Jones) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:06:08 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] aLPHA 76 AND 78 tube conversions References: <000b01c1ac07$997c6720$1556a03f@htsbrg1.ms.home.com> Message-ID: <012a01c1ac14$4a9f45c0$219d46cf@selfp18c6bmmrj> Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it. Why don't you take him up on his offer. I'll look forward to reading the article. I don't doubt that he is a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. I'm just saying, if I was going to make money off of something that someone else did I would at least be willing to invest in it. He is simply trying to make money using someone elses ideas. Why would'nt he just tell everyone who his source is and let them buy there own tubes and sockets? Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Leon Pringle, Jr and Audrey S. Pringle"----- Original Message -----From:=20 Steven=20 MooreTo: Jimmy JonesSent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 11:22=20 AMSubject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78 tube=20 conversionsN5IFI,Let's see here--new tubes and sockets = at cost and=20 if they don't fit you can send them back. What's wrong with that? = You had=20 any better offers lately?Steve wd0ct----- Original Message -----From:=20 Jimmy = Jones=20Sent: Saturday, February 02, = 2002 9:14=20 AMSubject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78=20 tube conversionsWhat a deal. You are just like = everyone=20 else in the world. You can't do it, but it can't be that hard and = hell IT'S=20 NOT WORTH ANYTHING.You should supply the tubes and = sockets at=20 no cost for that deal.N5IFI----- Original Message ----- =From:=20 Tom = Hix=20To: ampsSent: Saturday, February = 02, 2002=20 2:05 AMSubject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78 tube=20 conversionsI dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention = to the=20 Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These = are=20 really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.
I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for = many of the=20 people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who = dont=20 want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes = are=20 really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 = watts=20 depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site = about the=20 conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 = 572b=20 tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a = real nice=20 amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of = gi7b=20 tubes.
Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have = gone up=20 so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know = if=20 there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course = there are=20 no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good = choice=20 as replacements for the 8874 tubes.
I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good=20 amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 = tubes=20 have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for = what it=20 would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week = from Alpha 76=20 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me = they will=20 just have to stop using their amps because they are not = willing to=20 spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have = to set=20 them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So = it is a=20 real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps = out to=20 pasture or replace the tubes with something they can = afford.
I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more=20 about building amps or reworking = existing=20 amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I = know=20 many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and = repairing=20 amps.
SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to = see if the=20 gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If = someone who=20 knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, = and they=20 want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I = will sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching = set of=20 sockets.
The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send=20 them and determine if the tubes and sockets will = physically fit=20 into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes = and=20 sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is = completed=20 that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the = conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the=20 conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site = with all the=20 other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to = something else=20 like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good = digital=20 camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then = contact=20 me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the = entire group=20 of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there = is=20 another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it = happen.
If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a = reply and=20 we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is = even=20 feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys = with these=20 beautiful old amps.
Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.
73
Tom Hix..................w4th
Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube = Connection.=20 Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna = Tuners, Remote=20 or local ladderline & coax antenna switches.
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Actually,
I have.
N5IFI
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Moore
To: Jimmy Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions
N5IFI,
Let's see here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can send them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers lately?
Steve wd0ct
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Jones
To: AMPS ; Tom Hix
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions
What a deal. You are just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it can't be that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for that deal.
N5IFI
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hix
To: amps
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions
I dont know if any of you builders have ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, but if you haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can supply them at a great price.
I believe these tubes would possibly be a good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha amps like the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to $1500.00 to retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair of them will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage and drive. There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend of mine did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a pair of the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. He gets about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes.
Since the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone up so high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to know if there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of course there are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be a good choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.
I really hate to see anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 or 78, but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you can actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these amps. I get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this very situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop using their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to retube their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find another tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma for these owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or replace the tubes with something they can afford.
I am not an amp builder. I wish I knew a lot more about building amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb and lazy to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list are the very best at building and repairing amps.
SO..............Here is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes can be a decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows what they are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want to change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will sell you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching set of sockets.
The person who wants to do this can take a look at what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay me for the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when the conversion is completed that the person who does the work, will send me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures detailing each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on my web site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their 8874 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you are doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the pictures of the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if this could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha owners would really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they can use, and what it will take to make it happen.
If any of you are interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will see what we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even feasible or not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these beautiful old amps.
Thanks for your time and comments will be welcome.
73
Tom Hix..................w4th
Tom's Tubes: Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur Amplifier Tubes, Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & coax antenna switches.
http://www.tomstubes.com
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------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C1AC1F.258F5A80-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From NICK.WALLACE@xtra.co.nz Sun Feb 3 06:20:49 2002 From: NICK.WALLACE@xtra.co.nz (Nick Wallace) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:20:49 +1300 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube conversions References:-----Original Message-----At 11:53 AM 2/2/2002 -0600, you = wrote:
From: = owner-amps@contesting.com=20 [mailto:owner-amps@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Phil=20 (VA3UX)
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:24 = PM
To:=20 amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 and 78 tube = conversions
Actually,
I=20 have.
Then take the better deal and = shut-up.
You=20 related to WA4D ?
Phil
N5IFI
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Steven = Moore=20
To: Jimmy Jones =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] = Alpha=20 76 and 78 tube conversions
N5IFI,
Let's see=20 here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can = send=20 them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers=20 lately?
Steve =20 wd0ct
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Jimmy = Jones=20
To: AMPS ; = Tom Hix
Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 02, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78=20 tube conversions
What a deal. = You are=20 just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it = can't be=20 that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for = that=20 deal.
N5IFI
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: Tom = Hix=20
To: amps =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] = Alpha 76=20 and 78 tube conversions
I dont know if any of you = builders have=20 ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, = but if you=20 haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can = supply them=20 at a great price.
I believe these tubes would possibly = be a=20 good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha = amps like=20 the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to = $1500.00 to=20 retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair = of them=20 will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage = and drive.=20 There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend = of mine=20 did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a = pair of=20 the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes. =
Since=20 the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so=20 high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to = know if=20 there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of = course there=20 are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be = a good=20 choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.
I really = hate to see=20 anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 = or 78,=20 but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you = can=20 actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these = amps. I=20 get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this = very=20 situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using=20 their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube=20 their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another=20 tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma = for these=20 owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace=20 the tubes with something they can afford.
I am not an = amp=20 builder. I wish I knew a lot more about = building=20 amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb = and lazy=20 to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list = are the=20 very best at building and repairing = amps.
SO..............Here=20 is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes = can be a=20 decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows = what they=20 are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want = to=20 change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will = sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching = set of=20 sockets.
The person who wants to do this can take a = look at=20 what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will=20 physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay = me for=20 the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when = the=20 conversion is completed that the person who does the work, = will send=20 me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures = detailing=20 each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on = my web=20 site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their = 8874=20 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you = are=20 doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the = pictures of=20 the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if = this=20 could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha = owners would=20 really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they = can use,=20 and what it will take to make it happen.
If any of you = are=20 interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will = see what=20 we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible or=20 not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these = beautiful old amps.
Thanks for your time and comments = will be=20 welcome.
73
Tom=20 Hix..................w4th
Tom's Tubes:=20 Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur = Amplifier Tubes,=20 Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & = coax=20 antenna switches.
http://www.tomstubes.com
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------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1ACE7.E368BEC0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w3nr@vol.com Sun Feb 3 13:56:13 2002 From: w3nr@vol.com (Ed W3NR) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 08:56:13 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Filamant CT Message-ID:Hey whatever happened to WA4DOG?Used = to enjoy his=20 ravings on 80m.Nick ZL1IU
You = related to=20 WA4D ?
Phil
N5IFI
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Steven = Moore=20
To: Jimmy Jones =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] = Alpha=20 76 and 78 tube conversions
N5IFI,
Let's see=20 here--new tubes and sockets at cost and if they don't fit you can = send=20 them back. What's wrong with that? You had any better offers=20 lately?
Steve =20 wd0ct
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: Jimmy = Jones=20
To: AMPS ; = Tom Hix
Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 02, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 76 = and 78=20 tube conversions
What a deal. = You are=20 just like everyone else in the world. You can't do it, but it = can't be=20 that hard and hell IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
You should supply the tubes and sockets at no cost for = that=20 deal.
N5IFI
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: Tom = Hix=20
To: amps =
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [AMPS] = Alpha 76=20 and 78 tube conversions
I dont know if any of you = builders have=20 ever paid any attention to the Svetlana gi7b/gi7bt triodes, = but if you=20 haven't you should. These are really neat tubes, and I can = supply them=20 at a great price.
I believe these tubes would possibly = be a=20 good solution for many of the people who own the older Alpha = amps like=20 the 76 and 78 series, who dont want to pay $1200.00 to = $1500.00 to=20 retube their amps. These tubes are really heavy duty. A pair = of them=20 will give you about 1200 to 1400 watts depending on voltage = and drive.=20 There is an article on my site about the conversion a friend = of mine=20 did on an older Dentron amp that ran 4 572b tubes. He put in a = pair of=20 the gi7b tubes and was able to make a real nice amp out of it. = He gets=20 about 1200 to 1300 watts out on the pair of gi7b tubes. =
Since=20 the 8874 tubes for the 76 and 78 series Alpha amps have gone = up so=20 high, I am constantly getting calls from people wanting to = know if=20 there is a substitute they can get for the 8874 tubes. Of = course there=20 are no direct replacements, but these gi7b tubes might just be = a good=20 choice as replacements for the 8874 tubes.
I really = hate to see=20 anyone have to rework a perfectly good amp like the alpha 76 = or 78,=20 but the price on the 8874 tubes have gone up so much that you = can=20 actually buy a good amp for what it would cost to retube these = amps. I=20 get calls every week from Alpha 76 and 78 owners facing this = very=20 situation. Most of them tell me they will just have to stop = using=20 their amps because they are not willing to spend the money to = retube=20 their amps. They will either have to set them aside or find = another=20 tube they can replace the 8874 with. So it is a real dilemma = for these=20 owners to decide what to do. Turn the amps out to pasture or = replace=20 the tubes with something they can afford.
I am not an = amp=20 builder. I wish I knew a lot more about = building=20 amps or reworking existing amps, but I am to old, fat, dumb = and lazy=20 to learn know. BUT.....I know many of you folks on this list = are the=20 very best at building and repairing = amps.
SO..............Here=20 is what I am thinking of doing. Just to see if the gi7b tubes = can be a=20 decent replacement for the 8874 tubes. If someone who knows = what they=20 are doing has an amp that has the 8874's in it, and they want = to=20 change those out and would like to try the gi7b tubes, I will = sell=20 you, for my cost, a pair of these gi7b tubes, and a matching = set of=20 sockets.
The person who wants to do this can take a = look at=20 what I send them and determine if the tubes and sockets will=20 physically fit into the cabinet. If they will then he can pay = me for=20 the tubes and sockets at my cost......all I ask is that when = the=20 conversion is completed that the person who does the work, = will send=20 me a schematic of the conversion and a full set of pictures = detailing=20 each step of the conversion. I want this so I can share it on = my web=20 site with all the other amateurs who want to change out their = 8874=20 tubes to something else like the gi7b. So if you know what you = are=20 doing, and have a good digital camera and can send me the = pictures of=20 the project via email, then contact me. I would love to see if = this=20 could be done, and I know the entire group of older Alpha = owners would=20 really appreciate finding out if there is another tube they = can use,=20 and what it will take to make it happen.
If any of you = are=20 interested in trying this, just send me a reply and we will = see what=20 we can work out. I have no idea if any of this is even = feasible or=20 not, but I sure do wish I could help out these guys with these = beautiful old amps.
Thanks for your time and comments = will be=20 welcome.
73
Tom=20 Hix..................w4th
Tom's Tubes:=20 Your Russian Tube Connection. Specializing in Amateur = Amplifier Tubes,=20 Heavy Duty Antenna Tuners, Remote or local ladderline & = coax=20 antenna switches.
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1AFF8.32B111E0-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From jstrohm@texas.net Thu Feb 7 23:15:14 2002 From: jstrohm@texas.net (Jim Strohm) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:15:14 -0600 Subject: [AMPS] Reference book for HP Paeco transformers? Message-ID:
Hi Skipp
The common white Teflon coax that I = run across is RG-188. You are correct I have never seen the part number = on it but Teflon jackets do not take printing well.
A fairly complete listing of Teflon = coax cables is below
RG =
Number Belden Number =
Cable OD
RG-393 =
=
=
.390 =
50 Ohm, RG-8 size =
coax
RG-304/U =
=
.280 =
50 ohm
RG-141A/U =
83241 =
.187 =
Single shield, 50 Ohm RG-58 size coax
RG-142B/U =
83242 =
.195 =
Double shielded,50 Ohm RG-58 size coax
RG-400/U =
=
.195 =
50 Ohm RG-58 size =
coax
RG-303/U =
84303 =
.170 50 =
ohm
RG-180/U =
83264 =
.141 50 =
ohm
RG-187A/U =
83267 =
.111 50 =
ohm, White Teflon tape jacket
RG-188A 83269 =
.108 =
50 ohm, White Teflon tape =
jacket
RG-179/U =
83264 =
.100 75 =
ohm RG-174 size coax. Very common for 75 ohm cabling
RG-316/U =
84303,84316 .098 =
50 ohm,
RG-178B/U =
83265 =
.071 50 =
ohm, Very small Teflon coax
Thermax/sonic (http://www.thermaxcdt.com) is another large manufacturer of Teflon = coax cables.
RF parts has RG-316, 141, 142, = 179
Also of interest for those making some =
types of power splitters and combiners for solid state power =
amps
Communications Concepts =
(http://www.communications-concepts.com<=
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Hopefully this will give you some = options to chose from.
Brian Kline
WA6QDP
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From: =
skipp =
isaham[SMTP:nospam4me@juno.com]
Sent: =
Monday, February 11, 2002 10:59 =
PM
To: =
amps@contesting.com
Subject: =
[AMPS] mini Teflon coax, the white stuff
Hello Amps Members,
I'm trying to source a supply of 50 =
ohm Teflon type/style
coax, the "smaller sized" =
white stuff.
Some solid state VHF&UHF =
Amplifiers use this coax
for internal paths. There =
are two sizes that I know about.
One size is a reduced RG-58 type, =
another even smaller
heading down to the RG-174 type. =
What I need is the RG-174 type of =
Teflon coax. None of
the white type found in amplifiers =
has a type or part
number indicated. I'd =
like to find a retailer or small
quantify for a UHF amplifier rebuild =
and a few other
projects. I'd even settle for the =
larger 58 size stuff if
I can find it.
Any help...?
thanks
skipp
nospam4me@juno.com
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The mechanical Hum problem can be =
reduced by disconnecting the capacitor
during standby. It will still be =
there during transmit. GE did this as an option in there Mastr II =
mobile radio base station power =
supplies. Ferro-resonant =
regulating transformers=20
are not very efficient, and I think =
they dissipate a fair amount of power even unloaded,
so there is a price to pay for using =
them.
Also there output regulation with =
load variations in not real good
(there is no compensation for the =
voltage drop in the secondary winding).
There principal application as I =
understand it is reducing the
output variation with supply =
voltage variation. It may be possible to
use the transformer as a magnetic =
amplifier in conjunction with an active
feedback element that looks at the DC =
output and provide very good regulation.
In the past I had wondered if =
Ferro-resonant regulating transformers could =
be
used in that fashion, but I do not =
know enough about Ferro-resonant regulating
transformers or magnetic amplifiers either to say for sure.
Brian Kline
WA6QDP
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From: Jerry =
Flanders[SMTP:jflanders2@home.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, =
2002 9:14 PM
To: =
sbauder@wwt.net; amps@contesting.com
Subject: =
Re: [AMPS] ferro-resonant =
transformers?
The kind I am familiar with require =
capacitors to run, and HUMMMMmmmm
noisily while powered.
Jerry W4UK
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C1BC45.29121220-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From k7fm@teleport.com Sat Feb 23 16:46:53 2002 From: k7fm@teleport.com (Lamb) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:46:53 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 References: <200202231628.g1NGSTVw029269@contesting.com> Message-ID: <008601c1bc89$b36581c0$220c1ad8@com> Rich said: "? As I understand it, the larger anode cooler diameter limits it to two 3cx800s. The larger coolers also requires moving the sockets farther apart. Since the 78 has no tuned input, I would consider using 4cx800s in AB1. " The 76 only has 2 tubes and that requires moving one socket. However, the 76PA and 78 uses 3 tubes and requires no socket moving. The middle socket is plugged and it works fine. Only 2 x 3CX800A7 tubes are necessary. The power output is limited by the power supply. Although the 78 has no tuned input, it has a resistive termination that absorbs about 2 to 3 db of the sxcitation. That, plus the clean imd specs of the 3CX800A7 tube mean that the amplifer is cleaner than most transceivers. Distortion does not increase when the amp is used. Before converting to the 4CX800 tubes, look at all of the safety features built into the Alpha 99. I assume that they would not put all that protection in if not necessary - which means that a simple tube swap to the 4CX800 tubes using a grounded cathode design and terminated grid and supply of regulated screen voltage in the 78 would be an incomplete conversion. As far as decrease in value, I think that would only be if the conversion was ugly. Sloppy workmanship devalues anything. 73, Colin K7FM -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From n4zr@contesting.com Sat Feb 23 16:59:31 2002 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:59:31 -0500 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 In-Reply-To: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020223115931.00a3e320@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 10:57 AM 2/23/02 -0500, W4KEN wrote: > has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? I have been told it is a >real pin in the a** . I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on >holding on to it for a long time I was thinking about using/converting it >to 3cx800a7's. Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to >buy 3 new 8874's any input would be helpful Why not consider a 3CX1200 for conversions like this? I believe the cost would be less, only one socket, only one chimney, instant-on and a robust grid. Takes more driving power, I know. Is the anode cooler maybe too large to fit in the tube compartment? Other issues? 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the World HF Contest Station Database at www.pvrc.org -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/amps Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-amps@contesting.com From w6ru@bak.rr.com Sat Feb 23 17:25:53 2002 From: w6ru@bak.rr.com (Terry Gaiser) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:25:53 -0800 Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 References: <001801c1bc82$cd0aec20$49592241@l.tampabay.rr.com> <008001c1bc88$37febca0$220c1ad8@com> Message-ID: <003901c1bc8f$2552e7a0$6701a8c0@p4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1BC4C.16F1B440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the pair of 3CX800A7 conversion you cannot use the same sockets in a = 78 as you use in a 76PA ... with the broadband output networks the front = tube socket location will not allow enough clearance for the tube anode = cooler. You have to remove the tube chassis and cut out the top of it = and replace it with a new one with the two tube sockets properly spaced. = The original location of the rear tube socket works FB. Terry W6RU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lamb=20 To: amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [AMPS] Alpha 78 Hello: I converted a 76PA (3 x 8874 tubes) to 2 x 3CX800 tubes. I think the = main reason I did it was just to see if I could do it. It really is not = difficult if you are not frightened with a project. I do not think it = devalues the amplifier, although I must say that I purchased a second = amp real cheap and have left the 8874 tubes in it. =20 The 78 is close to the 76PA for conversion purposes. I think you have = the hypersil transformer, which mine does not and I think your = transformer is a bit smaller. With the conversion, the middle socket is plugged and a black piece of = cardboard is taped to the underside of the top to cover the hole. New = silicon chimneys need to be made. The filament voltage needs to be = increased. I found two surplus transformers to use in series with the = existing filament voltage and stacked them along the right side = transformer corner. I build a bracket using existing holes, so thee was = no holes drilled. I used the two transformers because of size = limitations. Voltage was a bit high and dropped with a dropping = resistor. If you use a dropping resistor, each tube should have its own = resistor so the voltage does not soar when one tube is pulled. =20 Next, the startup delay must be increased from 2 minutes to 3 minutes. = This simply involves a capacitor in the timing circuit. =20 That is about it. Works fine. I have seen one mod that has an = external transformer and that looks stupid. On the second Alpha, I = actually moved my power transformer toward the center about 3/4" to give = me more clearance to add a new board for some sophisticated extra stuff. = But, I did not change tubes. The reason is that the "new" amp takes 3 = minutes to warm up, while the "old" amp takes 2 minutes. I prefer 2 = minutes and bought some used 8874 tibes which should last a lifetime. =20 That is about it. If nothing else, the conversion proves you are more = than an appliance operator worthy of an extra class license. =20 73, Colin K7FM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W4KEN=20 To: amps@contesting.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: [AMPS] Alpha 78 has anyone done a tube conversion on a 78 ? I have been told it is a real pin in the a** . I know it will devalue the amp but I plan on holding on to it for a = long time I was thinking about using/converting it to 3cx800a7's. Im thinking it would be cheaper to convert it that to buy 3 new = 8874's any input would be helpful Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1BC4C.16F1B440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable----- Original Message -----From:=20 W4KEN=20Sent: Saturday, February 23, = 2002 7:57=20 AMSubject: [AMPS] Alpha 78has anyone done a tube conversion on = a 78=20 ?I have been told it is a real pin in = the a**=20 .I know it will devalue the amp but I = plan on=20 holding on to it for a long timeI was thinking about using/converting = it to=20 3cx800a7's.Im thinking it would be cheaper to = convert it=20 that to buy 3 new 8874'sany input would be = helpfulThanks
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