Fw: [Amps] RE: Amps Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60

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----- Original Message -----
From: "j.a.hermans" <j.a.hermans at skynet.be>
To: "Pat Poirier" <hkmannh at totalnetnh.net>; "Ragnar Otterstad"
<otterstad at enter.vg>; "Jimmy Jones" <jjones at etex.net>; <amps at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] RE: Amps Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60


> It just AMPLIFIES...........
> What,........ that, we all will find out in a couple of days.........
> Affraid we will not be that happy with these HIGH FREQUENCY OSCILLATIONS,
> wether it is on {Amps} {Tower talk} or whatsoever.
> I just wonder what you shall delete next week......Pat
> Cheers Jos.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Poirier" <hkmannh at totalnetnh.net>
> To: "Ragnar Otterstad" <otterstad at enter.vg>; "Jimmy Jones"
> <jjones at etex.net>; <amps at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] RE: Amps Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60
>
>
> > What does this have to do with amplifiers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Take this foolishness off the reflector, everyone is tired of deleting
> your
> > waste of band space.
> >
> > Pat W1KA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ragnar Otterstad" <otterstad at enter.vg>
> > To: "Jimmy Jones" <jjones at etex.net>; <amps at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:21 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Amps] RE: Amps Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60
> >
> >
> > > ,
> > >
> > > ,
> > > >  I've also found out my senator, Olympia Snow is on the tele-
> > > ,
> > > ,.
> > > @Report it Roger and let the officials do there jobs.
> > > @I think we called guys like you Deputy Dogs or Barney Fifes.
> > > @God Speed to Our Troops, I back them and Our President all the way.
> @God
> > > Bless America and to hell with Sadam Hussein and people like you Roger
> who
> > > blame everything on Someone else and are always looking for some other
> > > way to get government into our lives. at Wake up man..........We don't
want
> > > government into everything we do.
> > >
> > >
> > > By the sound of it, you did not read this one :
> > >
> > >
> > > IHT: Norman Mailer: Gaining an empire, losing democracy?
> > >
> > >
> > >         Norman Mailer Tribune Media Services Tuesday, February 25,
2003
> > > Iraq is an excuse
> > >
> > > LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
> > prepare
> > > for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and
many
> > > conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can
> save
> > > America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime
with
> a
> > > greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
> > Americans
> > > might lose their democracy in the process.
> > > .
> > > By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the
> church
> > > scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in
the
> > eyes
> > > of
> > > conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
> > conservatives,
> > > the
> > > culture has become too sexual.
> > > .
> > > Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq,
> as
> > they
> > > originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would
> enable
> > > them
> > > to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the
> oil
> > > there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
> > rivers - to
> > > build a world empire.
> > > .
> > > The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe
> that
> > in
> > > itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
> > happen:
> > > terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> > > fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy
is
> > in
> > > the
> > > Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will
generate.
> > > .
> > > The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the
> Bushites'
> > > minds
> > > is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration
> about
> > > America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science,
> technology
> > and
> > > engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
> > American
> > > doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> > > doctorates
> > > in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> > > .
> > > Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will
> come
> > a
> > > time
> > > when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
> > comes,
> > > America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will
be
> as
> > the
> > > Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
> > slaves.
> > > But
> > > don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
> > scenario
> > > that
> > > some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome
> as
> > a
> > > metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
> > facts).
> > > .
> > > What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much
> more
> > > opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among
> the
> > > home
> > > population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
> > strategy to
> > > contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> > > trouble.
> > > .
> > > My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is
> going
> > to
> > > go
> > > to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> > > .
> > > The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
> > become a
> > > mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance
> in
> > > Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on
the
> > > American
> > > system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it
> is,
> > may
> > > give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old
now -
> > > suggests
> > > that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> > > .
> > > Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be
> called
> > > upon
> > > to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult
because
> > the
> > > combination of the corporation, the military and the complete
> investiture
> > of
> > > the
> > > flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere
in
> > > America
> > > already.
> > > .
> > > Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on
> Writing."
> > > This
> > > comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute
fo
> r
> > the
> > > Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> > > International.
> > >
> > > < < Back to Start of Article Iraq is an excuse
> > >
> > > LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
> > prepare
> > > for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and
many
> > > conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can
> save
> > > America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime
with
> a
> > > greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
> > Americans
> > > might lose their democracy in the process.
> > > .
> > > By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the
> church
> > > scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in
the
> > eyes
> > > of
> > > conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
> > conservatives,
> > > the
> > > culture has become too sexual.
> > > .
> > > Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq,
> as
> > they
> > > originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would
> enable
> > > them
> > > to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the
> oil
> > > there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
> > rivers - to
> > > build a world empire.
> > > .
> > > The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe
> that
> > in
> > > itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
> > happen:
> > > terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> > > fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy
is
> > in
> > > the
> > > Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will
generate.
> > > .
> > > The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the
> Bushites'
> > > minds
> > > is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration
> about
> > > America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science,
> technology
> > and
> > > engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
> > American
> > > doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> > > doctorates
> > > in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> > > .
> > > Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will
> come
> > a
> > > time
> > > when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
> > comes,
> > > America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will
be
> as
> > the
> > > Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
> > slaves.
> > > But
> > > don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
> > scenario
> > > that
> > > some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome
> as
> > a
> > > metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
> > facts).
> > > .
> > > What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much
> more
> > > opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among
> the
> > > home
> > > population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
> > strategy to
> > > contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> > > trouble.
> > > .
> > > My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is
> going
> > to
> > > go
> > > to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> > > .
> > > The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
> > become a
> > > mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance
> in
> > > Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on
the
> > > American
> > > system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it
> is,
> > may
> > > give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old
now -
> > > suggests
> > > that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> > > .
> > > Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be
> called
> > > upon
> > > to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult
because
> > the
> > > combination of the corporation, the military and the complete
> investiture
> > of
> > > the
> > > flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere
in
> > > America
> > > already.
> > > .
> > > Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on
> Writing."
> > > This
> > > comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute
> for
> > the
> > > Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> > > International. Iraq is an excuse
> > >
> > > LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
> > prepare
> > > for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and
many
> > > conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can
> save
> > > America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime
with
> a
> > > greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
> > Americans
> > > might lose their democracy in the process.
> > > .
> > > By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the
> church
> > > scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in
the
> > eyes
> > > of
> > > conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
> > conservatives,
> > > the
> > > culture has become too sexual.
> > > .
> > > Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq,
> as
> > they
> > > originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would
> enable
> > > them
> > > to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the
> oil
> > > there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
> > rivers - to
> > > build a world empire.
> > > .
> > > The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe
> that
> > in
> > > itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
> > happen:
> > > terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> > > fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy
is
> > in
> > > the
> > > Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will
generate.
> > > .
> > > The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the
> Bushites'
> > > minds
> > > is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration
> about
> > > America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science,
> technology
> > and
> > > engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
> > American
> > > doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> > > doctorates
> > > in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> > > .
> > > Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will
> come
> > a
> > > time
> > > when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
> > comes,
> > > America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will
be
> as
> > the
> > > Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
> > slaves.
> > > But
> > > don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
> > scenario
> > > that
> > > some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome
> as
> > a
> > > metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
> > facts).
> > > .
> > > What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much
> more
> > > opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among
> the
> > > home
> > > population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
> > strategy to
> > > contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> > > trouble.
> > > .
> > > My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is
> going
> > to
> > > go
> > > to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> > > .
> > > The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
> > become a
> > > mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance
> in
> > > Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on
the
> > > American
> > > system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it
> is,
> > may
> > > give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old
now -
> > > suggests
> > > that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> > > .
> > > Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be
> called
> > > upon
> > > to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult
because
> > the
> > > combination of the corporation, the military and the complete
> investiture
> > of
> > > the
> > > flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere
in
> > > America
> > > already.
> > > .
> > > Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on
> Writing."
> > > This
> > > comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute
> for
> > the
> > > Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> > > International. Iraq is an excuse
> > >
> > > LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
> > prepare
> > > for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and
many
> > > conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can
> save
> > > America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime
with
> a
> > > greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
> > Americans
> > > might lose their democracy in the process.
> > > .
> > > By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the
> church
> > > scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in
the
> > eyes
> > > of
> > > conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
> > conservatives,
> > > the
> > > culture has become too sexual.
> > > .
> > > Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq,
> as
> > they
> > > originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would
> enable
> > > them
> > > to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the
> oil
> > > there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
> > rivers - to
> > > build a world empire.
> > > .
> > > The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe
> that
> > in
> > > itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
> > happen:
> > > terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> > > fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy
is
> > in
> > > the
> > > Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will
generate.
> > > .
> > > The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the
> Bushites'
> > > minds
> > > is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration
> about
> > > America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science,
> technology
> > and
> > > engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
> > American
> > > doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> > > doctorates
> > > in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> > > .
> > > Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will
> come
> > a
> > > time
> > > when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
> > comes,
> > > America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will
be
> as
> > the
> > > Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
> > slaves.
> > > But
> > > don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
> > scenario
> > > that
> > > some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome
> as
> > a
> > > metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
> > facts).
> > > .
> > > What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much
> more
> > > opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among
> the
> > > home
> > > population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
> > strategy to
> > > contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> > > trouble.
> > > .
> > > My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is
> going
> > to
> > > go
> > > to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> > > .
> > > The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
> > become a
> > > mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance
> in
> > > Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on
the
> > > American
> > > system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it
> is,
> > may
> > > give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old
now -
> > > suggests
> > > that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> > > .
> > > Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be
> called
> > > upon
> > > to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult
because
> > the
> > > combination of the corporation, the military and the complete
> investiture
> > of
> > > the
> > > flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere
in
> > > America
> > > already.
> > > .
> > > Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on
> Writing."
> > > This
> > > comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute
> for
> > the
> > > Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> > > International.
> > >
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