[Amps] Blowing off steam

Wed Oct 20 18:36:37 EDT 2004

Why is it cheating?  A bid is a bid is a bid.  The problem is when people 
get over their head!  I've done it!  Anyone want to buy a Yaesu 901 
speaker?  $80.00!

At 02:19 PM 10/20/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Snipers are the scourge of Ebay...I sold an item to one such person, and
>after he won my auction and requested shipping charges he also informed me
>he had won the auction with a sniping program and would I be interested in a
>copy....I completed the deal and placed him on my banned bidders list.
>World`s full of his kind cheating . Jim.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <n4gi at tampabay.rr.com>
>To: <amps at contesting.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Amps] Blowing off steam
>
>
> > Nothing complex about it, you're being outbid by snipers.  Buying stuff on
>ebay is a sham.
> >
> > http://www.xellsoft.com/HarvEX.html
> >
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Blake N4GI
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Havlicek <n8de at thepoint.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:05 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amps] Blowing off steam
> >
> > > eBay bidding goes like this:
> > > If two people bid on an item .. the higher bidder will be listed
> > > as the
> > > HIGH bid .. but only at an increment above the lower bidder.  The
> > > increments depend on the price range .. at very low prices .. it's
> > > only
> > > 50 cents .. then it moves to $1 .. then to $2.50 .. then $5.00 ...
> > > and
> > > higher increments for much higher prices.
> > >
> > > Assume the starting price is $298 ... If you bid $315 ... your bid
> > > will
> > > be $298 ... until someone bids higher [increment at that point is
> > > $5] ..
> > > their minimum bid must be $303 ... let's say they bid $310 ... at
> > > that
> > > point .. they will be notified that 'you have been outbid by
> > > another
> > > bidder' ... and the mid price will be $315 [increment above their
> > > bid].
> > > ETC.....
> > > Don
> > > N8DE
> > >
> > > W0UN -- John Brosnahan wrote:
> > > > At 12:35 PM 10/20/2004, Bill Turner wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:57:41 -0400, Will Matney wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >All in all, it makes me think about Jay Leno's "Jay Walking"
> > > skit. I
> > > >> >didn't know there was that many folks out there that dense.
> > > >>
> > > >> _
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bidding will auto-increment on eBay.  So if two (or more) people set
> > > > an upper limit the program will increment each one until it runs out
> > > > of "limit".
> > > >
> > > > In a recent case I put in a limit of $310 for an item that had a
> > > minimum> bid of $298.  Since I was the only bidder on the item I
> > > got it for $298.
> > > > The auto-increment program didn't have to do anything.
> > > >
> > > > I am not positive of the details of how the auto increment works
> > > but I
> > > > think it will work so that if someone puts in a $300 bid and I
> > > put in a
> > > > $310 LIMIT bid and someone else puts in a $315 LIMIT bid then
> > > the third guy
> > > > will get the item at $311.  But I am not sure if the computer
> > > will
> > > > increment
> > > > my bid to $301 and then auto increment the other limit bid to
> > > $302 and then
> > > > auto increment mine to $303 until it gets to the total final
> > > $311 or if
> > > > it is "smart"
> > > > and just makes the jump to the top automatically.
> > > >
> > > > So, from that perspective, it is not like an "in-person" auction
> > > exactly.> This might explain how the bidding jumps up a number of
> > > times> by the same people.   It may just be auto incrementing.
> > > >
> > > > Under this scenario you just decide what is the maximum price you
> > > > are willing to pay and the bidding will get you the item for the
> > > least> amount of money that exceeds everyone else's idea of what the
> > > > maximum they will pay.  If you get beat then it is because someone
> > > > else was willing to pay more for it than you would.
> > > >
> > > > BTW  I have only done a couple of eBay bids--lost one and won
> > > one--
> > > > so I am NO expert.   But it seems like a pretty fair way to run
> > > things--
> > > > because you set your own max that you are willing to pay.  There is
> > > > the risk that you are bidding against a shill of some sort.
> > > But you
> > > > never have to pay more than you are willing to pay.   And "shills"
> > > > are not unique to eBay.  I once bid on a lathe at a "live" (real
> > > people> holding up their numbers) auction and was beat out by
> > > someone else
> > > > when they went higher than I wanted to go.  But, amazingly, the item
> > > > was RE-auctioned at the end of the sale and I bought it the
> > > second time.
> > > >
> > > > It could have been a shill bidding against me--but maybe it was
> > > someone> who exceeded his ability to pay by buying too much and
> > > just could not
> > > > afford to pay for the item when it was time to settle.   But I
> > > assume it
> > > > was a shill.  The good news is that the second time I got it for
> > > less
> > > > money.
> > > >
> > > > --John   W0UN
> > > >
> > > >
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