[Amps] WinLink

Sun Mar 6 18:31:26 EST 2005

When the CEO of United Way was busted, I forget all he had fenagled the corporation out of. I know a mansion, private plane, and limo comes to mind. If I recall, he did about the same thing until the feds stepped in. At that time, they were taking about $120 a year out of my paycheck at work for a donation. I learnt the hard way about things then. If enough contacted the feds, they might find something......

Will

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On 3/6/05 at 6:21 PM Pat Poirier wrote:

>Hi Will,
>
>They do report how much they spend every year as a bulk line item but that 
>is as far as they will go. You can not find out if they flew first class
>or 
>stayed in the presidents suite and if we paid for their drinks and cigars. 
>That information will not be released. I have tried and several other
>people 
>that I know have tried and Dave Summer has stated that he will not release 
>that information.
>
>Pat
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Will Matney" <craxd1 at ezwv.com>
>To: <amps at contesting.com>
>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [Amps] WinLink
>
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I'm not 100% sure but I thought that federal law says that any
>non-profit 
>> organization must show it's financials when asked. I thought they also 
>> were made to make them public at least once a year. I'm not a lawyer,
>but 
>> I'd like to hear from one about it. Seems to me like I remember hearing 
>> about this when United Way was caught and the CEO put down the road 
>> several years back.
>>
>> Will
>>
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>> On 3/6/05 at 5:54 PM Pat Poirier wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Will,
>>>
>>>The ARRL membership is nothing but a cash cow to the few that are in the
>>>inner circle. They call themselves a non-profit organization and that is
>>>the
>>>nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
>>>
>>>They will not tell anyone where they spend the membership money. When
>they
>>>travel you can not find out how much it cost for the inner circle to
>>>travel
>>>around the country or the world and how the money is spent. When you ask
>>>for
>>>the financials of how they spent the members money you will be told that
>>>they are not going to be releasing that information.
>>>
>>>They have changed the name of the organization to "The National
>>>Association
>>>for Amateur Radio" not a single member got a chance to vote on that. When
>>>I
>>>questioned the name change I was told that I didn't have a vote in that
>>>decision and that only section managers could vote on the name change. I
>>>have a real problem when any one takes the word American out of anything
>>>that I belong to. I had a very heated debate with on of the Midwest
>>>section
>>>managers about this on 15 meters and his bottom line to me was if I
>didn't
>>>like the change, then get out of the organization.
>>>
>>>You are right that we need to clean house of everyone in the inner
>circle,
>>>they have no interest in ham radio. They are only looking to publish
>their
>>>magazine which is mostly advertisements for themselves. Almost every
>page,
>>>they have their hand out pan handling you for money. They live the good
>>>life
>>>and they want more.
>>>
>>>Look at the poor job they did on 60 meters, we ended up with a few
>>>channels,
>>>like were are CBers or something and 50 watts ERP that is a joke.
>>>
>>>If you funnel money into them for advertising or other ways they will be
>>>your lap dog and the rest of us don't matter.
>>>
>>>I will stop now because I could keep on going with the crap that they
>have
>>>pulled.
>>>
>>>73,
>>>Pat W1KA
>>>PS, Does anyone know where all the Alpha 77DX and Commander 2500E
>>>amplifiers
>>>went that were donated to W1AW that have now been replaced by Harris
>>>amplifiers ??? I am not a betting person but my money is they went to the
>>>inner circle gang. I never heard anyone getting a chance to buy any of
>>>those
>>>amplifier.
>>>Pat
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Will Matney" <craxd1 at ezwv.com>
>>>To: <amps at contesting.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:14 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Amps] WinLink
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> What I read was that this was not announced until after the vote and a
>>>> bunch of hoopla went on before they would put it out publically. I
>guess
>>>> the link was what become of the afterwards. The way I read about it,
>>>they
>>>> tried to hide it back as first by one small mention tucked away where
>>>> nobody would notice. See, the thing is, like I said earler, I dont give
>>>a
>>>> tinkers damn about what they do with the band, etc., just the way it
>was
>>>> done. Read my post back to Rich and you'll see why. Plus, the website
>>>> where I read about it. One of the voters who desented, explains a lot
>in
>>>> detail. They done somthing worse in my opinion to Rich years back and
>>>this
>>>> just really set me sore. Rich had done a lot for the technical side of
>>>the
>>>> hobby and was just flat sh#t on by the establishment because of folks
>>>with
>>>> their hands in the cookie jar. As was commented on earler, the ARRL is
>>>> nothing more than a magazine publisher with their hands out now. They
>>>dont
>>>> have any help for those who need it and d
>>>> ont care. It's became just one big money making gimmick for a few to
>>>keep
>>>> them in a job IMHO. I'm sorry to sound this way, but when I see folks
>in
>>>> the right getting wronged, my hackles stand up. I consider Rich a good
>>>> friend and have never met him. However, he has helped me everytime I've
>>>> asked, never failed, if not within the same day I asked. He and others
>>>> have done a lot for others, giving freely. Then you have those in there
>>>> now, who only see the bottom line as dollars with no cents (sense).
>Even
>>>> though a joke was said, it digs at the real truth.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>>
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>>>> On 3/6/05 at 3:56 PM Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>They haven't been very secret about it; the proposed bandplan is
>>>available
>>>>>via http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html .
>>>>>
>>>>>Personally, I don't have a problem with switching to a bandwidth-based
>>>>>allocation scheme, though any proposed change in allocations will
>>>generate
>>>>>squawking and crowing from those getting less and more respectively. 
>>>>>What
>>>>>concerns me is that this proposal would also eliminate the frequency
>>>>>constraints on semi-automatic operation. Frankly, I'd rather have BPL
>>>>>deployed next door than open the bands to robot stations that call over
>>>>>ongoing QSOs. Unless such stations are running software that reliably
>>>>>detects busy frequencies and declines to answer calls if doing so would
>>>>>QRM
>>>>>someone, they should remain corralled in a few band segments.
>>>>>
>>>>>    73,
>>>>>
>>>>>       Dave, AA6YQ
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: amps-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces at contesting.com] 
>>>>>On
>>>>>Behalf Of Will Matney
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:06 AM
>>>>>To: amps at contesting.com
>>>>>Subject: [Amps] WinLink
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I just ran across something (2-3 days back actually) about the ARRL
>>>almost
>>>>>secertely pushing through a new bandplan for Winlink, I think was the
>>>>>name.
>>>>>I have read some others opinions before I made this post. One wonders
>>>why
>>>>>I
>>>>>will not re-license and this shows why. I have seen the ARRL now, over
>>>and
>>>>>over, for years now, seem to do some pretty underhanded things. It
>seems
>>>>>to
>>>>>me it is always tied to a money flow some where. I know all to well
>what
>>>>>they did to Rich Measures on here, and it was over deep pockets
>>>>>controlling
>>>>>what the ARRL now does. I'm sorry, the ARRL is supposed to be for all 
>>>>>the
>>>>>amateur radio folks but when money is involved somewhere, it seems that
>>>>>things gets hushed, law suits gets threatened, and stuff is done under
>>>the
>>>>>table. Folks wonder why the membership is dropping off and this pretty
>>>>>much
>>>>>nails it. Before we had the internet, where information flows sooo
>>>freely,
>>>>>keeping things hid away was 100% easier. I started on the net about the
>>>>>same
>>>>>time I said by  -by to my license. These types of actions is the very
>>>>>reason
>>>>>they went. To straighten it out, there ought to be a major house 
>>>>>cleaning
>>>>>of
>>>>>the ARRL, and the FCC. There's too many corporate and political fingers
>>>in
>>>>>there. The ARRL should only be staffed by non-political, non business
>>>tied
>>>>>hams IMHO. This very thing is the reason I dont see myself ever being
>>>>>re-licensed in the near future. I just had to say something as I'd had
>>>>>this
>>>>>bottled up now for a few days. Any comments are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will
>>>>>
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