[Amps] use or not coaxial audio cable to transmitter's

Sat Oct 30 15:43:51 PDT 2010

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From: "W5CUL" <w5cul at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:15 PM
To: <amps at contesting.com>
Cc: "'Jim Thomson'" <jim.thom at telus.net>
Subject: RE: [Amps] use or not coaxial audio cable to transmitter's

> Tzikas,
>
> A Balun at the antenna end and Ferrite at the shack end should help with 
> RF
> riding the coax cable into the shack.  Build the balun to transform the
> impedance at the antenna feed point to that of the impedance of the coax. 
> I
> don't understand what is meant by "metal house", but a 2.5M coax puts the
> equipment kind of close to the antenna though.  Don't know if that would 
> be
> a part of the issue or not.  Last observation would be 1 ground rod. May 
> not
> be enough for a good RF ground, but should work great for DC. One 
> question,
> how is the PLL, Amp & Power supply grounded?
>
> I think someone already mentioned a good type of audio cable to use, one
> with a braided shield and or foil wrap.  I use a cable that has two 
> twisted
> pairs surrounded by a very heavy braided shield for all of my audio
> connections between gear.  Here is a hyper-link, maybe you will be able to
> find a distributor in your location:
>
> http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=53
>
> 73,
>
> Mike
> W5CUL

&&&&&  That 9M of grnd wire from roof  to the dirt is probably causing him 
more problems than
it solves.  That's 31' of grnd wire , to get to grnd.   Meanwhile, his 
vertical ant is radiating into both the
shack, and  the 31'  of grnd wire as well.

&&&  My buddy who had the RFI problem with his new m2 80m yagi, also has a 
6m RFI problem now. The 80M
RFI problem was cleared up by installing 20 x  type 43 beads slid over 
coax...at the output of his HF amp.  Before that,
he was knocking his dsl modem offline, and RFI from one end of the house to 
the other.   The m2 supplied 80m balun,
was just some rolled up coax, inside the switch box.  Clearly it does not 
have a high enough Z.

&&  The  6M RFI problem was a doozy.  Distorted audio, that gets really bad 
when 6m yagi pointed over top his house.
The tower is right behind the house too.  6M  coax is separate from HF 
coax...and 6m coax is routed directly from 6m yagi
to the output of the dedicated 6M amp.   I suggested a  bare min of 10 x 
type 43 beads [ he has lots of large beads in his junk box]
and he installed  23 of em, slid over RG-213, right at the output of the 6m 
amp.  Problem solved on 6M.   No more distorted
audio, and very clean.    The 6m yagi was a case of yet another m2 balun 
being used, the 6m one is a short, cylinder type of thing.
All the other hf ant's used  17 x large type 43 beads slid over coax, zero 
problems with all of those ant's.

&&  I would suggest that Tzikas 1st try a load of ferrite at the feedpoint 
of his vertical.  If that doesn't completely solve the
problem, then  install another load of ferrite on the output of his 500W 
amp.   If his Mic is generic, unbalanced type, like most stock ham gear,
then plane RG-58/59  will  work just fine  for a mic cable..  All you need 
for the mic is hot audio and grnd.
RG-58/59  will fit the bill..and do the job nicely, and it's readily 
available.  If you need  PTT, then use a footswitch......and use  more 
RG-58
from footswitch to back of xcvr.  Sure, the radio comes with  a 8 x pin mic 
connector/cable,  but who needs the up/down junk?

&&& I think the above will solve most of his problems.    One other thing he 
could try is to temp disconnect that 9M  grnd wire.  His 9M
grnd wire is longer than his 2.5 M  coax to base of vertical.    That 9M 
long grnd wire is parallel to the vertical.  My guess is the vertical is
radiating loads of RF into the 9M grnd wire..which is coming right back up, 
and into the 500w amp + xcvr.

Jim   VE7RF

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Thomson
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:20 AM
> To: amps at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] use or not coaxial audio cable to transmitter's
>
>
> ###  He posted a  diagram in his 4th posting.  His coax to vertical on 
> roof
> is just 2.5M  long.
> He also has 9 M  of grnd wire from  metal to the dirt.  He has a xcvr + 
> 500
> w amp.  He probably
> requires ferrite at both the base of the vertical..and also in the 
> shack....
> IE: both ends of the coax.
>
>
> http://tzitzikas.site90.net/files/installation.JPG
>
> Jim  VE7RF
>
>
> On 10/29/2010 9:20 AM, tzikas tzik wrote:
>> pll= phase lock loop . This equipment keep the frequency of oscillator
>> stable
>
> Understood. But more questions.
>
> You say 500 watt transmitter. Most ham transmitters are 100W output, and
> if you want more power, you add a power amplifier.   Is this a 500W
> transmitter all in one box, or two boxes?
>
> Where does this cable run?  Inside the transmitter, from one point to
> another, or outside the transmitter, between boxes?  What is the
> transmit frequency?
>
> What kind of cable is it?  Coax or two conductors plus shield?  What
> kind of shield? What kind of circuit is connected to the cable at each
> end?  Balanced or unbalanced?  Where is the shield connected?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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