[Amps] 4-250A testing
la7sl Nils Petter
la7sl at norgespost.no
Mon Sep 27 14:37:29 PDT 2010
He was referring to the sellers own description on how the tube was
tested...
He asked if this seemed OK. That is how I understand the question.
The answer is : This is definitely not ok !
6.3V 8 amp is way off specs for a 4-250A !
This indicates that the seller has not tested the tube at all,- or it is not
a 4-250A
My advice : keep away from this seller.
according to the tube specs it should be:
TUBE 4-250A / 5D22 / QB3.5/750GA
Filament Thoriated Tungsten
Voltage 5.0 volts
Current 14.5 amperes
as Carl correctly states...as usual :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
To: <TexasRF at aol.com>; <rj3819 at yahoo.com>; <amps at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] 4-250A testing
> The tube has a 5V @ 14.5A filament so Im not sure what you mean by 6.3V @
> 8A?
>
> The only difference between it and a 4-400 is the added fins on the anode
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TexasRF at aol.com>
> To: <rj3819 at yahoo.com>; <amps at contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] 4-250A testing
>
>
>> To test for emission, it would seem that the grid voltage would need to
>> be
>> zero or even positive to simulate the effect of the peak driving voltage.
>>
>> If the emission is normal this would cause a very high cathode current,
>> maybe too high if left for more than a few milliseconds. So, some kind of
>> pulse test would be safer and less stressful on the tube.
>>
>> Emission can appear normal until the cathode current reaches a level of
>> saturation. If this happens at a level too low, then we call that weak
>> emission. A tube characteristic chart will show these currents and can
>> be
>> used to
>> evaluate cathode emission.
>>
>> Use of AC on the screen and plate will certainly allow a pulse test of
>> sorts. You might try the test with no grid voltage and see how that
>> plays.
>> The
>> lower voltage you are using seems a good idea as well.
>>
>> Also, the AC cycle needs to be in the same phase for both the screen and
>> plate. Otherwise peak plate voltage will happen when there is reverse
>> polarity on the screen and visa versa. High positive screen voltage with
>> no or
>> reverse plate voltage is not good for the screen as it will try to
>> accept
>> all
>> of the electrons emitted from the cathode and that can be a bunch.
>>
>> This is a very interesting subject and I hope you test further and let us
>> know what you discover.
>>
>> 73,
>> Gerald K5GW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/27/2010 3:11:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> rj3819 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> This tube is on ebay ..
>> Worried about getting an older gassy tube .
>> The seller states ..
>>
>>
>> This auction is for One 4-250 / 5D22 Transmitting Tube. The labeling
>> on
>> this
>> tube has been worn other than the tube number that you can see in the
>> pics. I
>> am not sure of the manufacturer, but I am quite sure that it is either
>> Eimac or
>> Amperex. The visible labeling on the tube reads:
>> JAN-CIM-5D22
>> Made In USA
>> There is a stamp inside the tube also that reads:
>> Q8-9034.
>> This tube is tested for emission from a High Voltage Transformer:
>> 460 VAC through a 15K @ 10 watt resistor to screen
>> 920 VAC to plate
>> 6.3VAC @ 8 amps to filament
>> -40 VDC to grid
>> This tube tested at 200 MA.
>>
>> I have no idea about testing and if that is good to determine tube
>> emission or
>> not.
>>
>> I have one already and thought I could have a pair for spare tubes for
>> my
>> 4-400A amp ? I know .. not exactly the same .. is just plate dissipation
>> the biggest diff? would Be able to use them as a lower power set of
>> spare
>> tubes? or just make another amp with these?
>>
>> I hope replies go to me as well as the list as the auction will be over
>> in
>> 4
>> hours..
>>
>> Randy - N2CUA
>>
>>
>>
>>
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