[Amps] FW: Power factor correction on tube amps

Jeff Blaine keepwalking188 at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 10 00:42:25 EST 2013


While good in intention, the practical value of ISO and QS stuff is to 
provide the equivalent of an ongoing annuity to companies that perform the 
conformance audits.  So it should be no surprise that these programs are 
forever expanding in scope and marketed heavily.  After all, anyone in the 
admin and conformance food chain process gets to charge a big fat recurring 
fee...

73/jeff/ac0c
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Roger (K8RI)
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:30 PM
Cc: amps at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] FW: Power factor correction on tube amps

On 3/9/2013 8:01 PM, George wrote:
> Roger, as ISO9001 goes, if you write it, you follow it! I remember going
> through the certification process and questioning the legitimacy of a
> policy that allows for non-conforming product to be shipped.
> This really bothered me until I realized the documented steps in a given
> procedure could very well produce a "quality" product, (Ooooh that is
> not what the standard is for).  Unfortunately it gives the
> manufacturer an opportunity to virtually write his own procedure and
> ship garbage and still be ISO compliant.  Bottom line--if you really
> care, you could write a procedure that will ship only conforming
> product and reject non-conforming items.

Typically, if they ship a product that fails and assuming the docs were
followed like they swore to do, it gives them a road-map to show the
customer and a very good diagnostic tool to find non conformation, be
they deviations in procedures, materials, or parts suppliers.

The ISO docs are not useless, but they do not serve the purpose that
most customers, or production people assume they do.  Even management
had a hard time understanding the concept.  It's similar to the concept
of validation as used in engineering which is quite different than FDA
validation.

It can be a very useful tool when understood and properly applied, but
it can be a royal PITA to implement and particularly so when those doing
the implementing do not understand its real purpose.

Unfortunately, both the customer and management often think of it as a
sort of guarantee which is far from the truth or design.

73

Roger (K8RI)


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> 73,
> George, K4GVT
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> On 3/9/2013 6:34 PM, Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>> On 3/9/2013 5:00 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>>> That ISO program also made companies get rid of lots of perfectly
>>> good test
>>> equipment.
>>
>> That is an indication that the people trying for certification didn't
>> really understand the ISO  requirements.  It is purely about
>> documentation, nothing more and nothing less.
>>
>> I found that most companies didn't understand that and wrote
>> themselves into a corner. An expensive corner.  As you say, for you it
>> was a bonanza
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>>
>>
>>  My shack and test benches are full of Tektronix, HP, EIP and
>>> other such gems. When I retired to Arizona, I gave about half of it
>>> away before
>>> leaving.
>>>
>>> To me, ISO was a bonanza !!
>>>
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bill Turner <dezrat1242 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>>>> On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 14:21:13 -0500, George wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ISO9002 is not meant to be a quality program, simple put ISO9002 makes
>>>>> sure that you do what your polices and procedures say with no
>>>>> regard to
>>>>> quality.
>>>>
>>>> REPLY:
>>>> No it doesn't. A company can qualify one day and ship junk the next. Or
>>>> later the same day.
>>>>
>>>> That whole ISO thing is a scam put in place by gummints who want to
>>>> create
>>>> work for their buddies. Bureaucratic nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> The best assurance of quality products is a company that jealously
>>>> guards
>>>> its reputation and will not tolerate shipping poor quality products.
>>>> Quality can not be imposed from outside.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Bill W6WRT
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