[Amps] {Collins} Understanding Screen Current in a Tetrode

[Carl]

Maximum allowable screen current is not the correct way. You tune for a 
screen current PEAK and then use the load control to reach a maximum RF 
output while keeping the screen current within limits, All tetrodes/pentodes 
in good condition and without excessive drive will reach the output peak 
well before the current limit.
Tired tubes will have to be driven and loaded harder (more Tune C). A GG 
tube of any number of grids is no different, you are just watching a 
different meter designator. Screen and grid are always peaked.

Having two forums on your TO: list is not a good idea as most of us are not 
subscribed to both.

Carl
KM1H



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From: "Mike Waters" <mikewate at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:51 PM
To: <collins at listserve.com>; <amps at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] {Collins} Understanding Screen Current in a Tetrode

> Are you saying that we should always tune a grid-driven tetrode linear amp
> for the maximum screen current allowed by the manufacturer?
>
> Well, that would have been 30 or 40 mA on my homebrew AB1 grid-driven
> 4X150A amp. I think that would have been 30 or 40 mA too much! :-)
>
> It would be interesting to see what the people on the AMPS reflector have
> to say about this.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 5:15 PM, David C. Hallam 
> <david.hallam at knology.net>
> wrote:
>
>> For a GRID Driven tetrode amplifier, the correct way to tune and load is;
>> apply dome drive and dip and load in the normal so that you have some
>> indication of resonance.  At that point this is what you do.  Keep
>> increasing the drive and adjusting the loading for maximum screen 
>> current,
>> check the tuning occasionally.  You keep doing this until you reach one 
>> or
>> the other of two conditions.  One, You reach the maximum screen current
>> allowed by the manufacturers spec or Two, you have applied the maximum
>> drive you have available.  Once you reach either of the two conditions,
>> reduce the loading just slightly, and you will be properly loaded for the
>> best IMD your setup will produce.  I've been doing this for years on my 
>> HB
>> linears with never a complaint about the quality of my signal.
>>
>> This is the point of the QST article.
>>
>> David
>> KW4DH
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/2015 4:45 PM, Tony Sokol wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kurt,
>>>     Good information because it backs up what I have been reading.
>>> EVERYONE tells you that monitoring the screen current is important but 
>>> they
>>> really do not say what to look for or what to do about it. From reading 
>>> the
>>> spec. sheet on the 4CX-1000A a comment is made that some tubes may 
>>> exhibit
>>> a negative screen current as much as -25Ma. I did read that having the
>>> loading capacitor meshed too far will raise the voltages (and heat) in 
>>> the
>>> tank circuit.  I also have read that when the screen goes positive the 
>>> IMD
>>> goes to pot and you start splattering.  I guess the way to go is to tune 
>>> up
>>> for max output with minimum plate current and then back off the loading 
>>> to
>>> keep the meter at or under "0" screen current.  As far as the screen
>>> current goes...positive is not good and negative (within reasonable 
>>> limits
>>> ie. >20Ma) is nothing to worry about as long as the screen voltage 
>>> remains
>>> stable.  There was one other comment about dipping the screen current
>>> around "0" like you would with the plate meter I assume.  I will try 
>>> using
>>> that theory tonight on the net and see what happens.  So far it seems to 
>>> be
>>> running cooler and I had several unsolicited reports of "great sounding
>>> signal".  With all of the 30S-1's out there I am surprised that we 
>>> haven't
>>> seen more on proper tuning procedures for it.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Tony - W9JXN
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/27/2015 2:51 PM, W6ph--- via Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI, there is an excellent article about screen current on page 26 or
>>>> July
>>>> 1961 QST.  In the article it says that negative screen current is not
>>>> unusual.  But it also says that maximizing screen current (within its
>>>> limit) is
>>>> the best indication of resonance.  It also says that a tetrode 
>>>> amplifier
>>>> should never be tuned for maximum output as is common for cathode 
>>>> driven
>>>> (grounded control grid) amplifiers.
>>>>   Kurt W6PH
>>>>
>>>
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