[Amps] TRYING TO REACH CARL KM1H

Tue May 5 12:01:48 EDT 2015

TRYING TO REACH CARL KM1H
Carl:
I have tried by phone and email to reach you for over one year about my
Ranger, which you have had for three years.
I have left messages on this reflector.
Will you ever return my calls and email?
Do you still have my Ranger?
Did you fix it?
Will I ever get my Ranger?
Please call me (207) 476-0000
Thanks
73
Ivan
WK1W

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Today's Topics:

   1. Power meter, New York FCC (Ed Karl)
   2. Re: titan 425 low output power (Bill Turner)
   3. ALS-1306 (David Cole)
   4. Re: Amps Digest, Vol 149, Issue 10 (Roger (K8RI))
   5. Re: Time for New Power Meter (Roger (K8RI))
   6. Re: Time for New Power Meter (Kevin Stover)
   7. Re: Time for New Power Meter (Carl)
   8. Re: titan 425 low output power (Mark Robinson)
   9. Fwd: Re:  titan 425 low output power (Mark Robinson)
  10. Re: Time for New Power Meter (Carl)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 21:25:08 -0500
From: Ed Karl <edk0kl at centurytel.net>
To: amps at contesting.com
Subject: [Amps] Power meter, New York FCC
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As I recall as a young pup, there was a legendary Radio Inspector in New
York in the 50s and 60s. No names but had an FCC license with a vanity type
call. VERY unusual in those days. Later on there was an investigation and he
went to the happy hunting ground. In any event he took great delight in
"picking fly s**t out of the pepper,
24 citations at a single small FM station for example. I have no doubt at
all that Bill is correct in his recollection of events regarding power.

This guy was a complete nut job. One station we kept logs in 24 hour time,
though the "clock on the wall" was 12 hour. This was a big deal until the
chief extended his wrist with a 24 hour watch ...

This guy needed another life. The rest of the RI's were regular guys, you
could call them for help without fear of retribution. But we all stayed way
from this guy.

73!

ed K0KL

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 19:57:21 -0700
From: Bill Turner <dezrat at outlook.com>
To: Amps group <amps at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] titan 425 low output power
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On Mon, 4 May 2015 20:51:07 -0400, Richard wrote:

> i use to make 1000 watts with 20 watts worth of drive. 

REPLY:

That is approximately 17 dB gain, which is more than the FCC rules allow for
a commercially built amp. Perhaps the factory "corrected"
the gain to make it legal?

73, Bill W6WRT

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 21:00:31 -0700
From: David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
To: Amps group <amps at contesting.com>
Subject: [Amps] ALS-1306
Message-ID: <1430798431.9946.19.camel at nostromo.nk7z>
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Just got it, and am loving it...  Works very well with the K3, and a LOT
quieter than the old AL-82 was.  Love the autotune, and love the follow the
amp does based on the bands selected on the K3...
--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 01:32:09 -0400
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri at rogerhalstead.com>
To: amps at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 149, Issue 10
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Very simple really.  You could refuse them entry (you had that right) and at
that point they could initiate an enforcement action.  Refusing the
inspector entry (which you could do) is/was considered a serious violation.
Better to invite him/her in and offer them a cup of coffee.

The van out front could not tell how much power you ran, but did before and
after measurements.  They would have you go back on the air at the power you
said you had been running.  If the readings still agreed, that was fine.  If
they were a fraction of what they say for field strength before...well...

As to 10 watts or so over, I don't know any particulars, but "I'd guess"
they were there for some other reason, be it malicious interference, foul
language, harassment, or complaints.  Something brought them there other
than power, but what the hey, if they couldn't get them on a more serious
charge and didn't have the time to spend listening to him for another
week...

Once "The van is in town" is known, everyone went on their best behavior,
except belligerent idiots.  We had 'em, but it seems like there were far
fewer back then.

You can refuse and pay the price. It was in the regs

These may sound unrelated, but they all are dealing with federal agencies

Today, things are different.  If they show up, it's probably because 
someone, or you got some politicians attention.  There is a whale of a 
swinging door between federal agencies and industry friends/donors in 
both parties
If they are there for a reason like that they will end up knowing things 
you don't even remember doing.  Now days they can pull up nearly 
anything associated with us as well as what we said about who.

For instance there have been multiple cases where people received all 
federal, state and local permits to build. Someone, some where changed 
their mind and they had to demolish any construction and put the land 
back to normal on their dime after spending huge amounts on legal fees 
to no avail.

That also happened to a local developer that made national news a few 
years ago all because they changed their coverage from navigable 
waterways, to all land that drains into such waterways. There have also 
been stories on the national news about couples and individuals.

Guy 3 miles from me was farming about 40-60 acres.  The county modified 
the road, cutting off his drainage.  Before he could do anything, plants 
sprouted that were of species that said it's wet lands. He planned on 
farming it until he retired and then subdividing it as it's close to a 
lake.  He lost.

You can stand on principle and try to survive.   It most likely will be 
very expensive with the deck stacked against you.

73

Roger (K8RI)

On 5/4/2015 7:01 PM, Steve Wright wrote:
> FCC in your shack?  Did they have a signed court order?  The only way
> anyone comes into my shack, is a mate for a coffee/tea/beer/dinner.
> Anyone else brings documents with a signature from a magistrate.  I aint
> got stuff to hide, but it's the principle of it.
>
>

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 06:23:08 -0400
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri at rogerhalstead.com>
To: amps at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter
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Having spent much of my life (Every Monday for nearly 23 years) 
calibrating instruments in the lab, maintenance, QA and production, it's 
normal for me to see readings I can believe in, whether that accuracy is 
necessary or not.  Other than those first few years in production I did 
that until I went to college.

I think it's similar for many hams, although they don't realize just how 
poor the accuracy of that equipment is and refuse to believe it when 
shown.  Generally, as I've said before, "It's good enough for who it's for"

I'm not asking for an answer to me or the reflector.

How many on the reflector can honestly say they regularly check the 
power out when running the legal limit?  Did you allow for meter error?  
How often do you check?  Have you ever had the meter actually checked 
for accuracy?
How long since your multimeter was properly calibrated?  What is its 
accuracy when properly calibrated.  What is the accuracy of your digital 
multimeter?  How about half scale?  Is the accuracy a percent of full 
scale, or of the reading?

Who actually measures output power withy care to stay legal, given the 
accuracy of measurement.
How about close to the band edge? USB and LSB? Other modes? VFO accuracy 
and stability.  How wide is your CW?  It depends on the speed.
How do you scale readings and accuracy?

There are many places where accuracy is important and many others where 
it isn't critical if allowed for in the measurements.

73

Roger (K8RI)

On 5/4/2015 1:44 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> You left out one important item, some folks need more accuracy at the test
> bench. Proper alignment of the power chain requires it.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
> On May 3, 2015 10:29 PM, "Mike Waters" <mikewate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can only think of a couple of situations where an accurate wattmeter
>> matters.
>>
>> Some amateurs seem to think that a given increase in their wattmeter
>> deflection --or a corresponding decrease in their reflected power--
>> corresponds to an equal S-meter increase on the other end of the QSO.
>>
>> It just doesn't work that way.
>>
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:47 AM, John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Why are so many hams obsessed with accurate power measurements? Go
>>> figure.
>>>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 08:05:38 -0500
From: Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
Cc: amps at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter
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I may be late to this dance but isn't that why they sell more than one slug
at different power ratings? A 2500W slug could be off by +/- 125W, a 100W
slug would be off by +/-5W anywhere on the meter.

On Sun, 03 May 2015 19:19:41 -0400
"Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com> wrote:

> 
>  > By Joe and Roger's interpretation, the reading anywhere on the scale
>  > could be off by +/- 125 watts, even at very low readings. Do you
>  > really think that is what Bird meant?
> 
> Yes, that is *exactly* what Bird meant.  The specifications in my
> Bird Model 43 Instruction Book say: "Accuracy - +/- 5% of Full Scale
> Power".  If *your* interpretation were correct it would say "+/- 5%
> of indicated power" but it doesn't.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-05-03 6:35 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> > ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)
> >
> > On Sun, 03 May 2015 08:44:10 -0400, W4TV wrote:
> >
> >> No, Roger is correct.  Bird's specification is 5% *of full scale*.
> >> That means the Bird's accuracy is +/- 125 Watts *anywhere* using a
> >> 2500 Watt element.
> >
> > REPLY:
> >
> > Total nonsense. Manufacture re specify "full scale accuracy" only
> > because they do not guarantee linearity and accuracy below full scale.
> > In other words, the accuracy is guaranteed only at full scale and
> > nowhere else.
> >
> > By Joe and Roger's interpretation, the reading anywhere on the scale
> > could be off by +/- 125 watts, even at very low readings. Do you
> > really think that is what Bird meant? A reading of 10 watts could be
> > off by +/- 125 watts? Or a reading of 125 watts could actually be
> > zero?
> >
> > 73, Bill W6WRT
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 10:25:11 -0400
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com>
To: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00 at uky.edu>,	"Amps group"
	<amps at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter
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I already stated I use a HP 437 with appropriate couplers and attenuators. 
Ive moved up the 43x food chain over the decades as surplus gear becomes 
available.

Carl
KM1H

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From: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00 at uky.edu>
To: "Bill Turner" <dezrat at outlook.com>; "Amps group" <amps at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter

>  Does anyone use directional couplers and HP Power meters such as a 432A?
> The power meter is only good for 10mW but with a high loss Directional 
> coupler or
> sampler, if well calibrated, would be much better than +/- 5% full scale
> 73
> Bill wa4lav
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 10:28:08 -0400
From: Mark Robinson <markrob at mindspring.com>
To: "amps at contesting.com" <amps at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] titan 425 low output power
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Yes that is a good thought.  My 425 makes about 1kw with 20 watts or so.

Mark N1UK

>
>
>
> On 04-May-15 8:51 PM, Riichard Neuman via Amps wrote:
>> sure you didnt hit the HI-LO VOLTAGE switch on power supply while 
>> reinstalling?
>>
>> 73,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CenturyLink Customer <idahogn at q.com>
>> To: amps <amps at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 8:14 pm
>> Subject: [Amps] titan 425 low output power
>>
>>
>> hello all,
>>
>>
>> i have a titan 425 that was returned by tentec ( 700 dollar
>> repair bill) with a clean bill of health ( had a wafer switch 
>> replaced) when
>> taken out of the box the amplifier will only make 1000 watts pep with 
>> 100 watts
>> of drive. i use to make 1000 watts with 20 watts worth of drive. 
>> thought a tube
>> got damaged. replaced with new eimacs and it does the exact same 
>> thing. any
>> ideas on what could be wrong? this is the second and last time i will 
>> use
>> tentec. not a good experience.
>>
>>
>> where should i start?
>>
>>
>> shawn
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 10:29:24 -0400
From: Mark Robinson <markrob at mindspring.com>
To: "Amps at contesting.com" <amps at contesting.com>
Subject: [Amps] Fwd: Re:  titan 425 low output power
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I would call them and ask them. They were very helpful in walking me
through some problems when I repaired my 425

Mark N1UK

On 04-May-15 10:57 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2015 20:51:07 -0400, Richard wrote:
>
>> i use to make 1000 watts with 20 watts worth of drive.
> REPLY:
>
> That is approximately 17 dB gain, which is more than the FCC rules
> allow for a commercially built amp. Perhaps the factory "corrected"
> the gain to make it legal?
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 10:56:30 -0400
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.qozzy.com>
To: "Bill Turner" <dezrat at outlook.com>,	"Amps group"
	<amps at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Turner" <dezrat at outlook.com>
To: "Amps group" <amps at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter

> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)
> 
> On Mon, 04 May 2015 13:56:55 -0700, you wrote:
> 
>>
>>If you think that is not a true statement, listen to 3840 any evening.  
>>There are more F-bombs dropped there than when I worked in the woods.  73
>>Tom W7WHY
> 
> REPLY:
> 
> A bit off topic, but I have always wondered why the FCC thinks it has
> the power to censor profanity. The Constitution guarantees free speech
> and the Supreme Court has ruled profanity is protected speech. So what
> gives, FCC?
> 
> Don't get me wrong - I do not like profanity but I also do not like
> over-reach by the government. 
> 
> 73, Bill W6WRT

Wasnt that written into the rules from the 1920's or so?

Carl
KM1H

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