Hi Manfred, You might consider a simple envelope tracking scheme to reduce the dissipation in AB. Just keep the VDD high enough to output the applied signal and perhaps idle at 1/4 the normal VDD/dissipation. Rather than liquid cooling, have you seen the little heatpipe heatsink assemblies which are used for CPU's in the latest computers? They can fit one transistor each and dissipate a few hundred watts I considered a scheme to take the audio from the input of a standard transceiver and use that to run the modulator for an amplifier in Class AB/D. The RF delay is long enough but, all the filters in a typical transceiver play havoc with the group delay. The DSP procesing necessary to "auto-equalize" an existing transceiver is in excess of that required to make a transmitter from scratch. Have you seen the Directed Energy (DEI) parts from IXYS? They are their best though pricey! 73 & Good morning, Marv WC6W http://wc6w.50webs.com/ -- Manfred Mornhinweg wrote: Hi all! Marv: > There is a small problem, often overlooked, in the envelope > restored Class D/E/F "linear" scheme. The group delay through the > modulating path must be equal to the RF path delay for the system to > exhibit low distortion. This can be realized over a narrowband but, > when a wideband system is considered it may prove to be easier to > build an entire envelope restored transmitter than to construct a > standalone linear. Well, my self-inflicted task now is to make a noiseless legal limit linear amplifier driven from existing 100 Watt radios, so building a whole transmitter is not something I'm considering now. If the AB/F scheme turns out to be excessively troublesome, I will probably revert to a classic class AB design and beef up the thermal design. Less elegant, but almost guaranteed to work well. And just in case if MOSFETs turn out troublesome, I have two trusty 4CX1500B tubes lying around! But they are not suitable for silent (blower-less) use. In any case, in his QEX article about his AB/F amplifier, Saulo included screen shots of the dual tone waveform and the spectral analysis. There is indeed a plainly visible distortion caused by the delay in the power supply response, and this reflects in the spectrogram as slightly raised IMD. But as Saulo points out, the IMD is still very acceptable, actually it's better than some commercial AB amplifiers! So it seems that this AB/F approach without controlled delay is "good enough", even if it is clearly not perfect. My intention is to make the AB to F transition at the lowest possible power level. Saulo made it at about 25% of the amplitude. I intend to go lower, as low as the driving of the MOSFETs will allow. That should reduce distortion. Also I was toying with the idea of adding a delay line to the RF drive, but that might be simply not worth the effort. When you see how many hams are using their amps without any ALC, happily flattopping away with the IMD less than 12 dB below the output, it should become clear that an imperfect AB/F amplifier with the IMD at -28dB should be quite acceptable! But then, the "recently discovered" IxysRF devices are rated for stable linear operation at 150 Volt, so one of my reasons to use class F and envelope restoration is weakening... Maybe I go the brute force route of pure class AB! It depends on the outcome of the experiments. After all, when anyway using a SMPS, the physical difference between a class AB and an amplitude-restored AB/F is just in the small components and in the output network! It's easy to change along the road. I have gotten lots of info to think about. Thanks to all of you, and keep it coming! Manfred, XQ2FOD. ---------------------------- Visit my hobby website! http://ludens.cl ---------------------------- _______________________________________________ Amps mailing list Amps@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps ________________________________________________________________________ FREE for 30 Days! - Holiday eCards from AmericanGreetings.com http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/index.pd?c=uol5637