[CCF] FW: [CQ-Contest] Internet Augmented Contesting

Thu Apr 24 15:09:38 EDT 2003

Jenkit konseptoivat uutta kilpailutyyliä joka menee nykyisestä
assistedista aikalailla yli.
Ihan hyvä että tunnustavat että netti on olemassa
eikä olla enää 60 luvulla.

KSSainion säännöt tulevat viimeistään huomenna tänne
kommenteille.

73,
Jukka

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext George Harlem, W1EBI [mailto:w1ebi at lightband.com]
> Sent: 24 April, 2003 06:30
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Cc: 'Ward Silver'
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Internet Augmented Contesting
> 
> 
> Wow, kind of a radio version of pga.com's real time Leader 
> Board.  Maybe
> even multiple webcams to entice an online audience.  Then a 
> "Contester's
> Tour."  Regional teams from the unlimited clubs battling it
> out...Halftime live interviews...
> 
> Neat ideas, Rick.  Someday...
> 
> George W1EBI
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:33 PM
> To: Ward Silver
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Internet Augmented Contesting
> 
> Contest Rate Sheet for April 23 = Ward N0AX said:
> 
> >Hmmm.  I log on, run the application, work the contest, and in a few
> >minutes all of the log checking is complete, the winners announced
> >with validated scores, and the reflectors immediately fill with
> >post-contest analysis.	It does give one ideas, doesn't it?
> >
> 
> Wow.
> 
> Ideas like:
> 
> * real-time leader boards via the Internet
>     (sliced and diced by category and locale at viewer's discretion)
> * real-time club standings
> * How am I doing versus X1XYZ?
> * band status reports (total Q's reported in past 10, 30 or 60 mins?)
> * mult status reports (number of mults / list of mults reported in a 
> time period;
>   number of mults / list of mults reported since contest start)
> * total Q's reported by band and hour; i.e. a global rate sheet;
>     could be tracked separately for different geographies
> * time-delayed QSO rejection to allow makeup Q's
>     (I.e. who says a bust has to be irrevocable?! Perhaps enforce a 
> penalty for
>     an uncorrected bust and a smaller or zero penalty for a corrected
> one?)
> * additional features for spectators (commentary, busted Q 
> considerations, etc.).
> * ...
> 
> How about someone (individual or organization) sponsoring a contest 
> specifically to try out stuff like this? Ward noted correctly that 
> today's Internet may be too "sluggish" for realtime online logging of 
> our current types of contests. But for those who do have fast 
> connections, it should be tenable to do at least 
> semi-realtime. Forget 
> about secure transaction processing; just do something like "tailing" 
> log files using FTP or something similar that can buffer around 
> slowdowns. (Non-geeks note: Tail is a Unix command that 
> copies records 
> from an open file as they are added at the end. FTP is a file 
> transfer 
> protocol. Buffers are holding bins that would let Q's accumulate at a 
> station or on a remote server until they can be processed.) 
> Adjust the 
> rules such that no one's score is dependent on performance or 
> accuracy 
> of the Internet features and disclaim responsibility for 
> errors induced 
> by the system. Participants must agree to accept such errors in the 
> infrastructure like umpires on a ball field, as "part of the 
> field" even
> 
> if they cause specific, individual interferences. A contest like this 
> would help us to learn good features and practices and should 
> evolve as 
> the majority of contesters establish high speed, always-on 
> connectionsj,
> 
> as the Internet world catches up in other ways and as the 
> online contest
> 
> infrastructure matures. Agree up front that this contest will be so 
> plastic that the concept of tracking records from year to year is 
> meaningless. Maybe call it an "experiment" rather than a 
> "contest." Once
> 
> the infrastructure and other technologies catch up, true 
> real-time will 
> become feasible using similar features and the possibility of 
> transaction-level integrity and a stable rules set.
> 
> Please don't attack me about any specific suggestion above that you 
> don't like. It's intended to be provocative like Ward's 
> original teaser.
> 
> I'm not sponsoring this thing, just trying to goad someone 
> smarter than 
> me into doing so. I hope that any followup to this posting is on the 
> concept. It would be great if some person or organization 
> then offers to
> 
> set up infrastructure for a specific set of rules and sponsor 
> a contest 
> around them. That would be the time to discuss specific features, but 
> the brave volunteer would have to be the supreme arbiter 
> since it will 
> be his, her or their copious spare time that will have to be 
> invested to
> 
> set it up.
> 
> I am prepared to sponsor awards and/or prizes for the organizer and 
> winner(s) of the first successful trial of Internet augmented 
> contesting; details TBD.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rick N6XI
> 
> 
> 
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