[CCF] [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006

jari.jokiniemi at nokia.com jari.jokiniemi at nokia.com
Fri Nov 3 02:24:44 EST 2006

Why don't we organize a Finnish contest pedition to Sweden during next SAC?

If some 10 to 20 OH operators worked portable in SM3 we should be able to balance the game a bit. What a glorious way to enhance good neighbour relations and Nordic co-operation.

Heja Sverige!

-Jari, OH3BU

>-----Original Message-----
>From: ccf-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:ccf-bounces at contesting.com] 
>Sent: 03 November, 2006 08:50
>To: CCF Postituslista; toec at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [CCF] [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006
>What are you guys blaming, don't you see this as an 
>opportunity. Now we have change to beat SM totally. How about 
>organizing it well next year and leaving SM third after OH and OH0! ;-)
>Perhaps I'd participate then also.
>> It is good to hear Jan that all my memory is not totally vanished :) 
>> So it used to be the competition between national leagues until NRAU 
>> made a secret decision to list OH0 separately ;)
>> It propably doesn't matter if OH0 is separate entry or not, but for 
>> contesterts it would be good if it will be in the written rules. 
>> Because I think that in Finland generally  the most of the 
>> (including those who travel to OH0 for SAC) have thought that OH0 
>> scores count for Finland, not for Åland.
>> 73, Timo OH1NOA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jan-Eric Rehn (SM3CER - 7S3A - SA3R - SF3A)"
>> <jan-eric.rehn at telia.com>
>> To: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>; "Timo Klimoff"
>> <timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net>; <toec at contesting.com>
>> Cc: <oz5wq at contesting.com>; "Liv Johansen" <la4yw at broadpark.no>; 
>> <oh2ua at sral.fi>; <Ilkka.Korpela at Helsinki.fi>
>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006
>>> Hello,
>>> Timo also wrote in another mail on the TOEC mailing list:
>>> - - - - -
>>> Hmm ... actually I see that OH0 listed separately in the 
>past results.
>>> I wonder in what point someone started this?
>>> Historically I remember that "country competition" has been a 
>>> competition between national leagues. Correct me if I am wrong.
>>> 73, Timo OH1NOA
>>> - - - - -
>>> During my different periods as SSA Contest Manager I have 
>never seen 
>>> any written rules for the Scandinavian Cup.
>>> I remember we had some discussions about the Cup between 
>the contest 
>>> managers in EDR, NRRL, SRAL and SSA some years ago, where we 
>>> discussed why Finland needed help from another (still very rare and 
>>> hunted) DXCC country to always be in the top in the 
>Scandinavian Cup. 
>>> It was informal discussions and nothing was written (as 
>there were no 
>>> written rules for the Cup), but we agreed to separate OHØ 
>from OH in 
>>> the result lists to have a more fair competition. The only one who 
>>> disagreed was of course the OH manager and every time OH 
>arranged SAC 
>>> after those discussions they incorporated OHØ with OH in 
>their result 
>>> lists.
>>> For some years now OHØ have been counted separately when EDR, NRRL 
>>> and SSA have been the arranging society, but we've got no 
>>> about that earlier.
>>> Why? ...because OH had beaten SM anyway, without the help from OHØ.
>>> Now, when it seams SM have a good (or at least a small) chance to 
>>> beat OH, mostly because of many more participants than OH 
>this year, 
>>> one of the hard working OH contesters is waking up.
>>> Why? ...now maybe OH need those extra OHØ points to be Champs once 
>>> more...
>>> We all know that the OH guys will beat the SM:s, if they want to. 
>>> There is approximately one big SM contest site on every 10 
>or more in 
>>> OH and if the Finnish guys (and gals) go for it, we SM 
>small pistols 
>>> have no chance.
>>> (I
>>> don't even remember if SM has won the Cup even once during all 
>>> earlier
>>> 47
>>> years - does anyone know???)
>>> Maybe OH didn't really bother or liked to win this year - 
>or maybe we 
>>> in SM stole (or borrowed) some of their wellknown "sisu" 
>this time???
>>> What we can agree upon, is that LA or OZ never can compete with SM 
>>> and OH, and LA or OZ can never win the Cup. That's a fact, due to 
>>> population and contest interest. We don't need to mention 
>JW, JX, OX, 
>>> OY or TF - the competitors from those countries are too 
>few. We don't 
>>> either need to mention OJØ - if there was an expedition to 
>that DXCC 
>>> country and they also worked SAC - I know what country would claim 
>>> their result...
>>> Maybe all the other Scandinavian and/or Nordic countries should 
>>> compete against OH and OHØ. Then maybe we had a chance to win 
>>> sometimes... Or - maybe it's time for SM to incorporate OHØ in the 
>>> result lists - to be able to beat the OH guys??? :-) In that case I 
>>> don't think many OH guys will go to OHØ during the SAC weekends... 
>>> But I'm pretty sure there would be an increase in the number of SM 
>>> visitors to the islands and requests for hiring the different OH 
>>> contest sites... HI
>>> I'm very glad this discussion have started. Maybe we can get some 
>>> written rules for the Scandinavian Cup, where all four societys can 
>>> agree upon those rules. The SAC rules also have to be looked upon, 
>>> but I think that's a matter between the managers. We need to make 
>>> them more up-to-date regarding paper logs, erase penalties 
>for dupes 
>>> and things like that. We also need some written rules for the log 
>>> checkers - how to deal with different matters during the log 
>>> checking.
>>> On the other hand - I'm not so glad this came up just now - 
>I need to 
>>> continue helping OZ5WQ with the preliminary log checking for SAC 
>>> 2006, so we can present the results as soon as possible. I really 
>>> don't have time for this at the moment... HI
>>> ...back to the logs...
>>> 73 de Jan, SM3CER
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jan-Eric Rehn - SM3CER - Vanity calls: 7S3A - SA3R - SF3A 
>SSA Contest 
>>> Manager - SWEDEN
>>> E-mail: sm3cer at contesting.com - sm3cer at ssa.se
>>> Skype: janericrehn
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>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>
>>> To: "Timo Klimoff" <timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net>; 
>>> <toec at contesting.com>
>>> Cc: <oz5wq at contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TOEC] Claimed Scores SAC CW 2006
>>> Whoooups!
>>> Maybe you are correct Timo, or maybe ...
>>> If you look at the results from 2005 at 
>>> http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/res/r05saccs.htm
>>> OH0 is not listed together with OH so I assumed that it was counted 
>>> separately.
>>> Where are the rules for the Scandinavian Cup published?
>>> Please, can the SAC contest managers step forward and give some 
>>> advices :-)
>>> 73 de Ingo, SM5AJV
>>> Timo Klimoff wrote:
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "SM5AJV" <sm5ajv at chello.se>
>>>>>Om vi tar bort SM7B samt inte räknar OH0 till Finlands resultat så 
>>>>>ser det ännu bättre ut för Sveriges del.
>>>>Sorry, OH0s compete under the helm of SRAL :)
>>>>73, Timo OH0NOA
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