[CCF] Fw: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case

Timo Klimoff timo.klimoff at dnainternet.net
Wed Dec 12 00:11:33 EST 2007

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tõnno Vähk" <Tonno.Vahk at gildbankers.com>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet - RD3A case

If a station is using packet and getting meaningful addition to his mult 
count from it then it is also detectable from the log and he can be 
disqualified. You can jump around in frequencies or do whatever you want, if 
you keep hitting lately spotted mults too often it becomes suspicious, if 
you start hitting it them all the time it becomes clear. For SOAB later into 
the contest (like last 12 hours), once you cheat already, it becomes very 
difficult to adhere to well planned cheating strategy and you start to hit 
the spots too often or all the time. Let the following story be a good 
example. I have posted this to a private reflector what I was strongly asked 
to post it also to CQ Contest and thus I do it. RD3A (RD3AF) is a known 
packet cheater in EU and so far has not been disqualifed yet. It is a great 
sorrow and pity that an operator of that great skills and potential and huge 
station is spoiling its reputation and future by platantly cheating with 
cluster. It is a great pity that this has been so widespread in EU and 
espcially former socialist block of EU but by bringing those issues up we 
will clean the mess and make contesting a better place. I agree to most Jim 
(N6TJ) is saying and at the same time urge hime and the others to bring 
evidence to light and put more peer pressure on the cheaters until CQ 
Committee will take appropriate action. Trying to lead the way here is my 
letter about RD3A analysis to another relfector a month ago (this is ES5TV, 

I have looked at the logs of CQWW CW 2006 EU top 10 SOAB HP stations. It 
looks like that:

CU2A 6208 155 519
LZ9W 4608 139 474
G4BUO 3718 144 495
TM6X 3539 150 471
S5ØA 3510 160 483
RD3A 3978 164 555
ES5RR 4302 143 477
GD6IA 3904 132 453
TK5EP 4259 118 407
DL3YM 3449 141 439

I compared the worked S&P QSOs and worked S&P MULTS against the cluster 
spots in the last 20 minutes before the QSO. S&P QSOs are determined as QSOs 
that were on different frequency compared to previous and next QSO. That 
means I could only do it with logs that had exact frequencies of QSOs.

Let's look at CU2A, RD3A, ES5RR and OH8X (latter being out of top 10 but in 
our region)

CU2A worked 134 S&P QSOs and 116 of those were new multipliers.
RD3A worked 515 S&P QSOs and 209 of those were new multipliers.
ES5RR worked 470 S&P QSOs and 166 of those were new multipliers.
OH8X worked 558 S&P QSOs and 249 of those were new multipliers.

Now lets look at how big precentage of the worked multipliers had a recent 
cluster spot on that frequency and I separate here the periods into 48 
hours, last 24 hours of the contest and last 12 hours of the contest.

all 48h: 38.8% (38.8% of the mults CU2A worked in the contest as Search and 
Pounce QSOs had been spotted on that frequency within 20 minutes before the 
last 24h: 37.5%
last 12h: 43.5%

all 48h: 74.6%
last 24h: 85.6%
last 12h: 97.9%

all 48h: 27.1%
last 24h: 19.6%
last 12h: 27.3%

all 48h: 44.2%
last 24h: 40.8%
last 12h: 45.5%

So RD3A worked 48 new multipliers in the last 12 hours of the contest and 47 
(!!) of them were recently spotted (within 20 minutes). Out of the 209 mults 
that he worked in the contest 156 were recently spotted. That is way more 
than any average non-assisted station and is a definite sign of using packet 

It is logical that by the end of the contest operator gets more tired and 
does not hide cheating any more and starts to jump from spot to spot.

Also, RD3A is using just one radio. No SO2R - he is S&Ping with one radio 
between CQ-s. And even though he has by far the best multiplier count of all 
the SOAB stations!

I have more proof for that from his log if necessary and I am very sure in 

What do you think people of that? I say that he is really lucky that he was 
not disqualified from CQWW 2006 but I am sure it will happen sooner or 
later. We have seen those outrageous mult totals in other contests and 
unfortunately after looking at this log it all became clear.

Maybe RD3A wants to explain why he forgot to claim ASSISTED?


p.s. after this letter I was asked if 20 minutes is a good criteria and I 
took out statistics about 5 minutes also (altough cheaters tend to wait 5-10 
minutes at least to hit a spot) and I accompanied it also with statistics 
about moving mults which are quite selfevident:


TV> Anyway, 5 minutes stats are still quite convincing:

TV> all 48h: 10.8%
TV> last 24h: 7.1%
TV> last 12h: 13.6%

TV> all 48h: 33.0%
TV> last 24h: 39.4%
TV> last 12h: 41.7%

TV> 73


Guess how many mults did RD3A get with asked QSYs! 0 (ZERO!!)

QSYing mults in CQWW CW 2006:

RD3A: 0
ES5RR: 18
CU2A: 40


-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
steve.root at culligan4water.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:50 PM
To: hank k8dd; wc1m at msn.com
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cheating with packet

Exactly! How would you prove you WEREN'T using packet? If we knew what the 
log checkers were looking for then we could avoid that behavior, but then 
the cheaters would know too. The whole deal kind of scares me. Potentially 
you could lose a whole weekend, a top score, and your reputation all in one 
shot. Gulp...
73 Steve K0SR

n and press F4 to send my call and it puts the call in
>the band map.
>Try a couple of times and don't work him - the call remains marked as
>the unworked color.
>Tune up ..... find a station .... press F4 .... goes in the bandmap
>.... work him and the band map changes the call to worked color.
>I continue up the band working some and some not.
>At some point I go back to the unworked stations in a random order,
>picking and choosing.
>Now will the log will look like I'm chasing spots (were they spotted?
>- I don't know). I tend to do that a lot .....
>Will that look like I'm cheating?
>But then I'm not a top ten contender .... at least not from MI.
>73 Hank K8DD
>On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Dick Green WC1M <wc1m at msn.com> wrote:
>> I don't want to give cheaters any ideas,
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