[CCF] [TOEC] "Revolutionizing" SAC

[Tomi Ylinen]

Hi
Mats's future view sounds quite ambitious. Of course nice if it can be so.

I think era of paper logs is over. They could be accepted as check logs if someone for some reason wants to send them.

For deadline one week would be quite practical. If someone wants to cook one's log, it also can be done fast.

Tomi OH6EI

 


Mats Strandberg kirjoitti 15.12.2009 kello 08:19:
> Hello All,
> 
> I am also in favour of the idea presented by Kim, but the
> time frame for submitting logs can be discussed of course.
> 24 hours could be 48 or 72 without actually making the
> process "over mature"...
> 
> The speed of log processing and publishing of results should
> be a stimulating factor, but we should maybe adjust the
> times to be suitable for everyone, so that deadlines should
> not be a factor that will prevent people from participating.
> 
> Personally after a 24 or 48 hour effort, I am quite fed up
> with everything related to contesting and logs. I might
> have energy to submit my 3830 scores - or I might even
> be in the mood for submitting my SAC logs within minutes
> of the effort, but 24 hours is in my opinion a little too quick
> (Kim, forgive me, because I am both a product of the paper
> logging and computer logging era) :)
> 
> However, no matter if I might have nostalgic memories of
> my first contests in 1981-1984, when paper logging was the
> only thing in my world, I still think that time has come to
> make an END to the possibility of sending in paper logs for SAC!
> 
> One can decide to log on paper, but there are nowadays so many
> tools that afterwards can create Cabrillo format logs, that the
> excuse "we will loose participants in SAC if wee ban paper logs"
> does not apply anymore. The suggested 72 hour deadline for log
> submission will allow people to also convert paper logs into
> Cabrillo logs without too much of stress.
> 
> The speed scheme suggested by Kim  (kept or modified) is for
> sure a factor for attracting more participants.
> 
> My suggestion is the the following:
> 
> Log Submission:  within 72 hours from the end of the SAC contest
> Final results:   2 weeks after the contest
> Awards sent out:  2 weeks after published final SAC SSB results
> Plaques: sent out 4 weeks after the published final SAC SSB results
> 
> The above mentioned will require a new way of organizing SAC
> (most of you know what my preferences are).
> 
> Kim's comment that the SAC Organization is from the "paper age"
> has definitely some truth in it. I want both that we change the
> approach to working with our contest - AND that we create a mix
> of experienced radiosport owls and hungry new contest lions and
> tigers in the future SAC organization.
> 
> As it seems, we will have lots to talk about in the SAC Seminar that
> is planned for January 23rd as part of the CCF/OHDXF Conference.
> 
> Anyone that has good suggestions about subjects for this workshop,
> please email me at sm6lrr at gmail.com
> 
> See as many of you as possible in Riga!
> 
> 73 de R3/SM6LRR, Mats
> 
> 
> 2009/12/14 Kim Östman <kim.ostman at abo.fi>
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > There has been a lot of talk about developing SAC,
> > with valuable polls and panel discussions included
> > in that process. One thing that has materialized
> > is the log submission and results website that was put
> > up this year; once more, thanks to those responsible for it!
> >
> > I do not want to sound like a whiner or point any
> > fingers, as I appreciate the effort that contest
> > organizers put into making things work on whatever
> > timetable. But let's face it, we are in the computer age,
> > and our contest organization is from the paper age. I find
> > it strange that we continue living with deadlines and delays
> > that have been inherited from the cumbersome age of paper logs.
> >
> > If we are going to attract new people into this contest
> > and non-hams into this hobby, I don't think it helps
> > much to say that well, you'll know how you did in about
> > a year or so if you're lucky. Heck, even the peer review
> > process of most scientific journals works faster than that!
> >
> > The Nordic countries are generally hailed as some
> > of the most technologically advanced nations in the
> > world. So how about we make SAC really unique among all
> > contests? Let me propose a couple of drastic changes
> > to modernize the SAC results process:
> >
> > 1. Log submission deadline: 24h after the end of the
> >   contest. Exceptions may be granted to DX peditions,
> >   although I think that if one can afford going to
> >   some faraway country it shouldn't be a problem to
> >   organize the log sending from there too. After all,
> >   sending the log is an integral part of the effort.
> >
> > 2. Results published: 1-2 weeks after the contest.
> >   For paper logs this probably requires some effort
> >   from volunteers, but that shouldn't be a big problem.
> >   Help was already offered to this year's organizers
> >   by at least two hams.
> >
> > So, what does everybody think? I have been taught that
> > "If there is a will, there is a way," and I continue
> > to believe that.
> >
> > 73
> > Kim OH6KZP
> >
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